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Energy Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 4 December 2013, in the House of Commons.
Programme (No. 3) motion relating to consideration of Lords amendments. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Lords amendment 105 to Schedule 4 disagreed to on division (318 to 236). Lords amendments 1-86, agreed to. Lords amendment 87, disagreed to on division (226 to 311). Lords amendments 87 to 104 and 106 to 113 agreed to. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendment 105. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

571 cc941-991 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Lords amendments

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Draft Energy Bill: pre-legislative scrutiny. Energy and Climate Change Committee first report, in three volumes, with formal minutes and written evidence.
Tuesday, 17 July 2012
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Investment in energy infrastructure and the Energy Bill.
Tuesday, 13 November 2012
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Investment in energy infrastructure and the Energy Bill.
Tuesday, 20 November 2012
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Government Response to the First Report from the Energy and Climate Change Committee, Session 2012–13, on Draft Energy Bill: Pre-legislative Scrutiny
Thursday, 29 November 2012
Command papers
House of Lords
House of Commons

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Investment in energy infrastructure and the Energy Bill.
Tuesday, 4 December 2012
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Proceeding contributions

Lindsay Hoyle | 571 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I must draw the House’s attention to the fact that financial privilege is involved in Lords amend...

Michael Fallon | 571 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 105.

The amendment would give...


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John Redwood | 571 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that eight plants are closing under the EU directive already, and if an...

Michael Fallon | 571 c942 (Link to this contribution)

I was coming on to the list of stations that have closed. My right hon. Friend is absolutely righ...

Ian Lavery | 571 c943 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentions that coal is producing up to 25% of the electricity generated. Does he agre...

Michael Fallon | 571 c943 (Link to this contribution)

Coal has been an important part of the mix, and I hope the hon. Gentleman will be with us this af...

Mike Weir | 571 c943 (Link to this contribution)

If a plant fits carbon capture and storage equipment, as a demonstration plant, could it be caugh...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

There is an exemption under the Bill for a plant that fits CCS equipment. I have made that clear ...

Daniel Byles | 571 c944 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the transition we are trying to make in our economy, from wh...

Michael Fallon | 571 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. When we are dealing with security of supply and keeping c...

Tom Greatrex | 571 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to take part in the debate this afternoon, which may be the long-awaited final p...

John Redwood | 571 c945 (Link to this contribution)

Given Labour’s long tradition of strong support of the coal industry, is the hon. Gentleman worri...

Tom Greatrex | 571 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)

No, I do not accept that and I will go on to explain why during the remainder of my remarks.

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Caroline Lucas | 571 c946 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the Carbon Tracker report that shows we need to leave four-fifths ...

Tom Greatrex | 571 c946 (Link to this contribution)

I respect the hon. Lady’s opinions, but I disagree with her on that point. CCS provides us with t...

David Mowat | 571 c946 (Link to this contribution)

I like the hon. Gentleman’s point on CCS, but is he aware that Germany is building 11 GW of new, ...

Tom Greatrex | 571 cc946-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. I anticipated that the hon. Gentleman would refer to this po...

David Mowat | 571 c947 (Link to this contribution)

We can both agree that Germany’s carbon emissions are one third higher per capita than in the UK....

Tom Greatrex | 571 c947 (Link to this contribution)

I did not actually read the report over the hon. Gentleman’s shoulder; I looked at it beforehand ...

Ian Lavery | 571 c948 (Link to this contribution)

Everybody would agree that coal is not going away, but will be here into the future. We will be b...

Tom Greatrex | 571 c948 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend about the need for progress on CCS, which is why I have continued to ...

David Mowat | 571 c949 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman categorised the three types of power station and pointed out correctly that hi...

Tom Greatrex | 571 cc949-950 (Link to this contribution)

That depends on the decisions made on the first and second groups. On the third group, so far the...

Robert Syms | 571 cc950-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Minister in his disagreeing with Lords amendment 105. This country has alwa...

Bob Stewart | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend obviously knows quite a lot about this subject. How much reserve capacity does he ...

Robert Syms | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

The grid generally tries to keep a good level of capacity. There have been occasions recently whe...

Robert Syms | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

It is small in capacity terms for the economy. Normally, that is when the grid starts getting a l...

Angela C Smith | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making the case for ensuring spare capacity in the electricity grid. Would ...

Robert Syms | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

It is important both that we have generating capacity, preferably domestically based, and that we...

David TC Davies | 571 c951 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with much of what my hon. Friend says. Does he agree that one of the problems is that, un...

Robert Syms | 571 cc951-2 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, policy has to have a proper balance. There is a role for renewables and trying to provid...

Daniel Byles | 571 c952 (Link to this contribution)

On my hon. Friend’s point about investment, we hear about the oft-quoted trilemma in energy polic...

Robert Syms | 571 c952 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. At the end of the day, we must have the capacity to generate for what people want. We...

Alan Whitehead | 571 cc952-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am a little bemused by some of the talk that we are hearing this afternoon about the capacity c...

Ian Lavery | 571 c953 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend believe that if the amendment is passed, investment in carbon capture and sto...

Alan Whitehead | 571 cc953-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important question. I think that if the amendment were passed and if it sent that “cer...

Angela C Smith | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that carbon capture and storage technology can be applied to gas-fired as well...

Alan Whitehead | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. If the Department is to reach its 2030 decarbonisation target, it is very likely tha...

John Redwood | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

Given the hon. Gentleman’s knowledge of the industry, can he tell us when he expects to see a dec...

Alan Whitehead | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

The Saskatchewan power plant that I mentioned is not a new coal-fired power station, but an exist...

Charles Hendry | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

Should we not learn the lesson of the Longannet experience? In that instance, we discovered that ...

Alan Whitehead | 571 c954 (Link to this contribution)

With a relatively small amount of underwriting—far less than is proposed in the UK Government’s c...

Daniel Byles | 571 c955 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my Select Committee colleague for giving way to me. Does he recall that the oper...

Alan Whitehead | 571 c955 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. There is the question of what happens to the carbon dioxide subsequently and how it is in...

David Mowat | 571 c955 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman’s argument about the acceleration of CCS as a cons...

Alan Whitehead | 571 c955 (Link to this contribution)

Some of those plants could well be replaced by gas, and some could well close down. Indeed, some ...

Michael Fallon | 571 c955 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman seems to have just repeated an assumption that the amendment would take effect...

Alan Whitehead | 571 cc955-6 (Link to this contribution)

The question is the extent to which plants can run, and what hours would be attached to them—a pr...

Charles Hendry | 571 cc956-7 (Link to this contribution)

I refer hon. Members to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

Like most...

Caroline Lucas | 571 cc957-9 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome Lords amendment 105, as we need to close the Government’s loophole that would exempt ex...

John Redwood | 571 c959 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my right hon. Friend the Minister that the House would be wise to reject amendment 1...

Caroline Lucas | 571 c959 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

John Redwood | 571 cc959-960 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I do not have time to do so, as the hon. Lady spoke for some time and the debate...

David Mowat | 571 c960 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, oppose the amendment. I will make three points: on cost; on security of supply; and on ho...

David Mowat | 571 cc960-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will not take the intervention, as I want to finish as quickly as I can to allow time for the o...

Mark Reckless | 571 cc961-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South (David Mowat). I was ve...

John Redwood | 571 c962 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend noticed that the big industrial powers that are serious about industry—Germany...

Mark Reckless | 571 cc962-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is correct. We have learned that the industry at Grangemouth, which the frie...

Michael Fallon | 571 c964 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, Madam Deputy Speaker, I shall reply briefly as I sense that the Hous...

Michael Fallon | 571 c964 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman might also want to know that Coalpro, the Confederation of UK Coal Producers, ...

Ian Lavery | 571 c964 (Link to this contribution)

When does the Minister expect the first CCS generation plant to begin in the UK?

Michael Fallon | 571 cc964-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, we hope to sign the first FEED contracts by the end of the year. They will involve a c...

Helen Goodman | 571 c965 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Earlier today the Chief Secretary to the Treasury made...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c965 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has made her point and I am sure that those whom she wishes to have heard it have d...

Michael Fallon | 571 c965 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c965 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Lords amendments 2 to 75.

L...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc965-972 (Link to this contribution)

As you have said, Madam Deputy Speaker, there are many amendments in this group and I will try to...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 571 c971 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way on the issue of fuel poverty. My constit...

Michael Fallon | 571 c971 (Link to this contribution)

I think I understand that proposal, and I hope that the hon. Gentleman has welcomed the changes t...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 571 c971 (Link to this contribution)

I do welcome the fact that the difference of islands has been recognised, but I am disappointed t...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc971-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman is not wholly satisfied. I thought that the change would be we...

Sammy Wilson | 571 c973 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not accept that the whole thrust of the Bill, with its emphasis on decarbonisat...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc973-4 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am afraid I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman, although I was grateful for his support i...

Jonathan Reynolds | 571 c974 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, am pleased to welcome the Bill back to this House and grateful for the opportunity to spe...

Michael Fallon | 571 c974 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the hon. Gentleman has raised that point, I confirm that over a long period—many month...

Jonathan Reynolds | 571 c974 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that undertaking.

Jonathan Reynolds | 571 cc974-7 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am afraid that I will not give way.

It is important that we have the opportunity to d...

Caroline Lucas | 571 cc975-9 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to speak in favour of the amendments tabled by the hon. Member for Derby North (Chri...

Sammy Wilson | 571 c979 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady really envisage individuals getting fuel bills showing profit and loss account...

Caroline Lucas | 571 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I have much greater confidence in the wisdom of my constituents than sadly the hon. Gentleman app...

Chris Williamson | 571 cc979-980 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendments 87 (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) and (f). I thank my hon. Frie...

Brian Binley | 571 c981 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a compelling case, and I appreciate the compassion with which he is ...

Chris Williamson | 571 c981 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the hon. Gentleman is getting his facts a little mangled. Fuel poverty diminished in...

Brian Binley | 571 c981 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that I must apologise to the House for giving misleading figures. Fuel poverty increased...

Chris Williamson | 571 c981 (Link to this contribution)

No. I will not take any more interventions, because I know that others want to speak in this impo...

Chris Williamson | 571 c981 (Link to this contribution)

No. Others wish to speak.

This issue will not go away; it will run and run. The fact that p...

Mike Weir | 571 cc981-2 (Link to this contribution)

I had not intended to say much, but the concerted attack on the Scottish Government by both Front...

Joan Walley | 571 cc982-3 (Link to this contribution)

I want to try to put this matter into context. In my constituency, 6,110 households are in fuel p...

Alan Whitehead | 571 cc983-4 (Link to this contribution)

I wish briefly to speak in support of the amendments to Lords amendment 87 tabled by my hon. Frie...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc984-5 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, let me reply briefly to the points made in the debate. The hon. Memb...

Mike Weir | 571 c985 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the Minister is saying, but will he not accept that under the renewables obliga...

Michael Fallon | 571 c985 (Link to this contribution)

We have made our intention absolutely clear that the renewables obligation was going to be closed...

Chris Williamson | 571 c985 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister will find that the organisations to which he is referring took the view that...

Michael Fallon | 571 cc985-6 (Link to this contribution)

The problem the hon. Gentleman has is that fuel poverty went up. It went up in the boom years whe...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c986 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, we shall take amendments 2 to 86 together.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c986 (Link to this contribution)

We will take amendments 2 to 53.

Lords amendments 2 to 53 agreed to.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c986 (Link to this contribution)

The question is that the House agrees with the Lords in their amendment 54. As many as are of tha...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 571 c986 (Link to this contribution)

The Ayes have it.

Lords amendment 54 agreed to.

Lords amendments 55 to 86 agreed to.<...

John Bercow | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I have now to announce the results of the deferred Divisions. On the question relating to the dra...

Robert Flello | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Further to the announcement you have just made, I think that hon...

John Bercow | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who has made his point with, if I may say so, great succinct...

John Bercow | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that it is a point of order and that it is comparably succinct.

Thomas Docherty | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

Today’s Evening Standard reports that when Camp Bastion was attacked some 14 months ago, more tha...

John Bercow | 571 c991 (Link to this contribution)

No. I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his point of order nevertheless.

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