UK Parliament / Open data

Protection of Freedoms Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 19 March 2012, in the House of Commons.
Protection of Freedoms Bill. Programme motion (No. 4) on consideration of Lords amendments agreed to on question. Lords amendments considered. Lords amendments agreed to, some as amended. Other Lords amendments disagreed to. Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their Amendments. Reason reported and agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reason, with the bill and amendments.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

542 c526-88 

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Lords amendments and Commons amendments

Procedure

Programme motions
Commons reasons
New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Protection of Freedoms Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 17 May 2011
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

James Brokenshire | 542 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to respond briefly to a number of the points raised this afternoon. Let me assure my hon. Fri...
Ben Gummer | 542 c535 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the general thrust of Lords amendments 16 to 18, but I completely understand the Min...

Show all contributions (115)
Steve Baker | 542 c535 (Link to this contribution) When I look at Lords amendments 16 to 18, my instinct is certainly to support them, but after many, ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 542 c532-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister's opening remarks gave a degree of reassurance on the Government's position, but I feel...
Steve Baker | 542 c531 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his attempt, which we hear so often from the Oppo...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c531-2 (Link to this contribution) It was mature and sensible reflection when we were accused of kicking the matter into the long grass...
Stella Creasy | 542 c538-9 (Link to this contribution) In order to establish whether the present proposals will deal with our concerns adequately, it is wo...
Jeremy Corbyn | 542 c539 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an excellent case. There has been a good deal of publicity and discussion o...
Stella Creasy | 542 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) When I discussed the proposals with the police, they were anxious to ensure that we used this opport...
Robert Buckland | 542 c540 (Link to this contribution) I am listening with great care to the hon. Lady's argument about the use of the phrase ““inter alia”...
Stella Creasy | 542 c540-3 (Link to this contribution) This is a point of genuine disagreement, because there is concern that what should be seen as a non-...
James Brokenshire | 542 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) I think I have already answered the right hon. Gentleman's questions fairly and squarely in terms of...
Stella Creasy | 542 c537 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment (b) to Lords amendment 51.
Speaker | 542 c537 (Link to this contribution) With this, it will convenient to discuss amendments (c), (d), (e), (f) and Government amendments (g)...
Stella Creasy | 542 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) The need for legislation to create a distinctive offence of stalking has been clear for some time. I...
Robert Buckland | 542 c538 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a powerful point about Scotland. Scotland moved straight from ““breach of th...
James Brokenshire | 542 c527 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 16.
Speaker | 542 c527 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Lords amendment 17, and Government motion...
Steve Baker | 542 c531 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give the Government just a little leeway, after only two years, in unt...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c531 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has walked directly into my fist. ““Modern Conservatism: Our Quality of Life Agen...
Keith Vaz | 542 c529 (Link to this contribution) Is there a timetable for the conclusion of the review of previous powers? It would be helpful to kno...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c529 (Link to this contribution) What ultimate sanctions are in place in the event that the two-year review is not completed by any D...
James Brokenshire | 542 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) The review is a specific statutory requirement, and we are focused on ensuring that it is undertaken...
James Brokenshire | 542 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) The amendments would provide that powers of entry may be exercised only with the agreement of the oc...
Keith Vaz | 542 c528 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Office have any statistics on the number of times that police officers have entered us...
James Brokenshire | 542 c528-9 (Link to this contribution) What I can point the right hon. Gentleman to is the published list of the various powers of entry th...
Mike Crockart | 542 c568 (Link to this contribution) I accept some of what the right hon. Gentleman has said, but he should be very careful about the lan...
Jonathan Edwards | 542 c568 (Link to this contribution) I have been following the right hon. Gentleman's argument with some interest. Would it not be more c...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c568 (Link to this contribution) I venture to disagree. The figures that I gave were Home Office figures produced for the Minister in...
Keith Vaz | 542 c567 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for missing the earlier part of my right hon. Friend's no doubt excellent speech. Given ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c567 (Link to this contribution) I consider the retention of the six-year limit specified by the 2010 Act to be a proportionate respo...
Mike Crockart | 542 c567 (Link to this contribution) May I try to help the right hon. Gentleman? The basic principle being advanced is that the retention...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c568 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I disagree fundamentally with the hon. Gentleman. Someone might be picked up as a r...
Philip Davies | 542 c566 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister know of any innocent person who has been negatively affected by the placing of his...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c566 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to agree with the hon. Gentleman yet again, but I do agree with him. As far as I am aware...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c567 (Link to this contribution) We have had a debate about this and there is an honest disagreement between the Minister and me, but...
Keith Vaz | 542 c570-1 (Link to this contribution) First, may I apologise for missing the opening speeches in this debate? I imagine, however, that the...
James Brokenshire | 542 c570 (Link to this contribution) We have carefully considered the issue of the balance between the lay magistracy and the more profes...
Kate Green | 542 c570 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that assurance, and I certainly hope the situation will be kept under revie...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c569-70 (Link to this contribution) Yes; my hon. Friend the Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Diana Johnson) has dealt with this matt...
Kate Green | 542 c570 (Link to this contribution) I wish to raise one specific issue in relation to Lords amendment 3, and I put on the record my inte...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c568-9 (Link to this contribution) There is a range of views in the House, but what we have been trying to do consistently, both in opp...
Julian Huppert | 542 c569 (Link to this contribution) I assume that the right hon. Gentleman's amendments are carefully drafted and that he intends what t...
James Brokenshire | 542 c562 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Lady, and as I have said, I look forward to hearing the Opposition's cla...
Elfyn Llwyd | 542 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a good point. We took evidence from several police officers, among wh...
Tom Brake | 542 c551 (Link to this contribution) It was put to me earlier today by senior police officers that one reason why the police have got mor...
Elfyn Llwyd | 542 c553 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for that assurance, which I take to be an invitation to write t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c553 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has asked a number of detailed questions, and I will be happy to get back t...
Stella Creasy | 542 c554 (Link to this contribution) We have listened to the debate, but we are still not satisfied on the question of lesser and more se...
Robert Buckland | 542 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) I will not repeat the constructive comments of the right hon. Member for Dwyfor Meirionnydd (Mr Llwy...
Speaker | 542 c558 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Lords amendment 2. Lords amendment 3, an...
James Brokenshire | 542 c558 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.
James Brokenshire | 542 c558-62 (Link to this contribution) The amendments relate to the provisions in parts 1 to 4 of the Bill. Some are of a minor and technic...
Jeremy Corbyn | 542 c565-6 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend aware that many people are very concerned about the way in which DNA is coll...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c566 (Link to this contribution) We did have to make those judgments when we were in government, and our judgment was that the having...
Philip Davies | 542 c564 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that if someone's DNA is held on a database, it does not impinge...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has said, we are indeed traversing old ground that is familiar to me, to him and to ...
Diana Johnson | 542 c562 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify what would happen if one or both parents have refused permission for biome...
Mark Field | 542 c565 (Link to this contribution) I accept some of what the right hon. Gentleman says, but surely he must recognise that there are sha...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c565 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that through Lords amendments, we are seeking to find a mechanism to de...
Julian Huppert | 542 c564 (Link to this contribution) I want to be clear about what the right hon. Gentleman is saying about this Lords amendment. Does he...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c564 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his support on this matter. He has been consistent in his su...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c565 (Link to this contribution) Let me reassure the hon. Gentleman that I am not trying to turn this into a simplistic debate. As Ho...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c544 (Link to this contribution) I have had some opportunity to discuss this issue with ACPO and those representing victims of stalki...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c544-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid and important point. As I said in response to the hon. Member for Islin...
Jeremy Corbyn | 542 c544 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary will have heard my intervention on my hon. Friend the Member for Walthamstow (Ste...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall be asking the House to agree with Lords amendment 51. I am pleased and proud to be standing ...
Tom Brake | 542 c545 (Link to this contribution) How does the Home Secretary think that the public can ensure that the issue is on the agenda for the...
Stella Creasy | 542 c547 (Link to this contribution) Given our shared concern about the inventiveness of perpetrators, will the Home Secretary undertake ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c545-7 (Link to this contribution) From time to time, my right hon. Friend and others raise issues relating to ensuring that matters ar...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c549 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for raising that issue. The persistency of an offence is a factor that should...
Robert Buckland | 542 c549 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for her clear exposition of the position. May I seek some clar...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c548 (Link to this contribution) It is normal practice when introducing offences to have a lower level and a higher level offence, an...
Stella Creasy | 542 c548 (Link to this contribution) In which case, will the Home Secretary set out clearly and explicitly what she considers to be a sta...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c547-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for supporting our approach. It is important that a degree of discretion is a...
Bob Stewart | 542 c547 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend that well-trained police officers will be able to identify exactly...
Elfyn Llwyd | 542 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. By its nature, that is the kind of offence that it is, and t...
Mark Tami | 542 c550 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman touches on an important point. The danger is that, whatever the penalties m...
Elfyn Llwyd | 542 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the Home Secretary and the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Stella Creasy) in...
Diana Johnson | 542 c578 (Link to this contribution) With the experts at the ISA making a judgment about whether someone should have barred status, why i...
James Brokenshire | 542 c579 (Link to this contribution) This is where we differ on the appropriate way to treat the bar. We believe that if there are circum...
James Brokenshire | 542 c579-80 (Link to this contribution) We intend that the ISA should provide that information to the police, as I explained. We will be ver...
Fiona Mactaggart | 542 c580-3 (Link to this contribution) That was a very nice introduction from the Minister. I know that he is standing in for one of his co...
Peter Bone | 542 c583 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a powerful speech, much of which I agree with. On her point about a rapporte...
Fiona Mactaggart | 542 c583 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that implied threat, which is at the moment rather more effective com...
James Brokenshire | 542 c583 (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I shall briefly respond to the hon. Lady's two points about trafficking...
Diana Johnson | 542 c574-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. She speaks with great knowledge and makes very important points. Th...
James Brokenshire | 542 c576-8 (Link to this contribution) In many respects, I am speaking on behalf of the Minister for Equalities, who is also responsible fo...
Meg Munn | 542 c573-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way and for her kind words. I apologise that I was not quite in th...
Keith Vaz | 542 c571 (Link to this contribution) I ask the hon. Gentleman, who always speaks up for the rights of the individual, this: why should a ...
Philip Davies | 542 c571 (Link to this contribution) I will have another go. Rather than asking me a question, although I am happy to debate it at a late...
Keith Vaz | 542 c571 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I do. My hon. Friend is absolutely right. There is a concern about certain other groups, as wel...
Philip Davies | 542 c571 (Link to this contribution) I wish to bring the right hon. Gentleman back to the case of his constituent who intervened in the f...
Speaker | 542 c572 (Link to this contribution) With this we will discuss the following: Lords amendment 31, and amendment (a) thereto. Lords amen...
Diana Johnson | 542 c572-3 (Link to this contribution) I wish to put on the record the fact that Lords amendments 33 to 36 are very welcome, as they relate...
Keith Vaz | 542 c572 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had answered the hon. Gentleman's question. Why should a person in such a situation...
Jeremy Corbyn | 542 c571 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend concerned about the disproportionate number of black and ethnic minority peo...
Keith Vaz | 542 c584 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister respond to my hon. Friend's excellent point about the appointment of guardians? It...
James Brokenshire | 542 c584 (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, the second point is outside my gift and within that of the business managers, but I c...
Peter Bone | 542 c583 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has given me half the assurance I sought. The other half was about having not just the ...
Speaker | 542 c588 (Link to this contribution) I should inform the House that Lords amendment 145 should refer to line 12 of the title, which is th...
James Brokenshire | 542 c584 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes an important point, and for the reason he cites we asked the Children...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c536 (Link to this contribution) I sense that the Minister is about to finish his speech. Before he does so, will he try to answer th...
Keith Vaz | 542 c534-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mogg), who eloquently...
James Brokenshire | 542 c529 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman refers to the Bill, he will see that the time period contemplated is two...
James Brokenshire | 542 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady will be aware, the provisions relate to the consent of the parents. They say that t...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 542 c544 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the amendment, but does the Secretary of State agree that the public's severe lack of conf...
Mark Tami | 542 c545 (Link to this contribution) That is an important point. We have seen how long it has taken the police to treat domestic violence...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c545 (Link to this contribution) Of course, what we want is for the issue to be addressed properly earlier; we want victims to have t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 542 c547 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to tell the hon. Lady that we will indeed keep the legislation under review. The last thi...
James Brokenshire | 542 c536 (Link to this contribution) I will give way, having made a challenge to the shadow Policing Minister.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 542 c530 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to this short debate. Lords amendments 16 and 17 we...
Meg Munn | 542 c579 (Link to this contribution) I am concerned that the measure is becoming bureaucratic. We know that when systems are not clear, t...
Diana Johnson | 542 c572 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment (a) to Lords amendment 30.

Subjects

Children
Databases
Biometrics
Detainees
Fingerprints
DNA
Human rights
EU law
Human trafficking
Harassment
Internet
Powers of entry
Vetting
Terrorism
Schools
Stop and search
Sexual offences
Voluntary work
Stalking

Legislation

Protection of Freedoms Bill 2010-12

Link

View this Parliamentary proceeding on www.publications.parliament.uk
Back to top