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Health and Social Care Bill (Programme) (No. 3)

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 6 September 2011, in the House of Commons.
Health and Social Care Bill. Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on Report and Third reading. Debated and agreed to on division (299 to 232 votes). Report stage first day debate. New clause 2, discussed with new clause 6, debated and both added to the Bill. New clause 3, discussed with new clauses 4 and 5, debated and all added to the Bill. New clause 19, discussed with new clause 22, debated and withdrawn. Amendments made. Bill to be further considered tomorrow.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

532 c177-328 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

Programme motions
New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Health and Social Care Bill. As amended on re-committal, in Public Bill Committee. In two volumes.
Monday, 18 July 2011
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Liz Kendall | 532 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) We oppose this programme motion because it fails to give hon. Members enough time to scrutinise one ...
Simon Burns | 532 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman's hyperbole does not match the facts. He mentioned 715 amendments —[Interru...

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Frank Dobson | 532 c178 (Link to this contribution) Is it not treating the people who work in the national health service with contempt to expect the Ho...
Simon Burns | 532 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Order of 31 January 2011 (Health and Social Care Bill (Programme)) as supple...
Chris Skidmore | 532 c180 (Link to this contribution) Is the BMA not the same organisation that opposed the creation of the NHS in 1948?
Liz Kendall | 532 c180 (Link to this contribution) The Minister groans. If he thinks that the body representing doctors in this country is worthy of th...
Liz Kendall | 532 c181 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying is that the Prime Minister claims that the whole profession is now on board for the...
Peter Bone | 532 c181 (Link to this contribution) I start from the default position of opposing programme motions. The Government have consistently sa...
Liz Kendall | 532 c181 (Link to this contribution) I will not, because we need to get on to the substance of the debate. The less time that the Governm...
Peter Bottomley | 532 c186 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Speaker. The House will have noted your comments about the repetitive amendm...
Speaker | 532 c186 (Link to this contribution) Before the House embarks on the Bill, it may help if I deal with a matter that has been raised with ...
Speaker | 532 c186 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had found a very satisfactory way forward—one that should appease the hon. Gentlema...
Speaker | 532 c186 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is shaking his head from a sedentary position to indicate that that is not the bu...
Speaker | 532 c187-8 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 6—Objective of trus...
Lord Lansley | 532 c187 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 532 c187 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying is what I have already said, which is that there is no provision for a global amend...
Peter Bottomley | 532 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr Speaker. The point was the one that you have made, which is that ...
Nick Smith | 532 c190 (Link to this contribution) Why will Monitor have no duty to promote collaboration, as recommended by the Future Forum?
Lord Lansley | 532 c190 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the hon. Gentleman has followed this closely enough. We do not do any of those th...
Chris Leslie | 532 c190 (Link to this contribution) Do not the right hon. Gentleman's changes to the Bill still emphasise far too much the supposed read...
Lord Lansley | 532 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) Our plans for modernising the NHS are focused not only on improving the quality of care of patients ...
Frank Dobson | 532 c193 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has pleaded the legal view of one of his Back Benchers in rebutting the case ...
Andrew George | 532 c193 (Link to this contribution) I entirely endorse the Secretary of State's point about the biased way in which the last Government ...
Lord Lansley | 532 c193 (Link to this contribution) As we said in our response to the recommendations of the NHS Future Forum, we recognise the importan...
Toby Perkins | 532 c192 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way a second time. That was a very long answer ...
Lord Lansley | 532 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) I will give the hon. Gentleman a shorter answer this time: he does not talk to enough people in the ...
Lord Lansley | 532 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) I will finish answering the hon. Gentleman before letting him intervene again. The safeguard struct...
Toby Perkins | 532 c191 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way. Does he think that the British Medical Assoc...
Lord Lansley | 532 c191 (Link to this contribution) As far as the BMA is concerned, I was interested to read this morning a letter whose lead signatory ...
Lord Lansley | 532 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will want to look at clause 20, which is very clear about Monitor'...
Lord Lansley | 532 c196 (Link to this contribution) It would apply in any circumstances where it was necessary in order to secure continued access to es...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c196 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend confirm that the additional funding he is describing will not be used to b...
Lord Lansley | 532 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way again, or Mr Deputy Speaker will chide me for not addressing the substance of th...
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c195 (Link to this contribution) Did not the Minister of State, Department of Health, the right hon. Member for Chelmsford (Mr Burns)...
Lord Lansley | 532 c195-6 (Link to this contribution) I said that I would come on to the continuing role of the OFT in relation to mergers, and I will. R...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c196 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State be clear on this issue? Can the enhanced tariff that I think he is sugge...
Lord Lansley | 532 c194 (Link to this contribution) It is not the practice of Ministers to publish their internal legal advice, but what I will say to t...
Lord Lansley | 532 c194 (Link to this contribution) I had better give way to the hon. Member for Pontypridd (Owen Smith) first, as no Opposition Front-B...
Owen Smith | 532 c194 (Link to this contribution) Is it not disingenuous of the Secretary of State to keep repeating that the application of competiti...
Lord Lansley | 532 c194 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that competition law does not apply; if the hon. Gentleman is going to attack me, he m...
Lord Lansley | 532 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I understand that and I think that my hon. Friend makes entirely the right point. This is not a...
Clive Efford | 532 c198 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) I have reached the third of them, so I will carry on for a moment, if I may. Thirdly, if a provider...
Fiona Mactaggart | 532 c197 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will recall that very shortly after Monitor had approved the granting of fo...
Lord Lansley | 532 c197 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that. I will deal with that matter in a moment, because subsequen...
Grahame Morris | 532 c198 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State clarify an issue to do with the Secretary of State's powers to intervene...
Lord Lansley | 532 c198 (Link to this contribution) I do not recognise such a scenario and in any case there will be no transfer of NHS-owned organisati...
Grahame Morris | 532 c198 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c198 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. I want to complete the five points, otherwise people might not see them in their entire...
Lord Lansley | 532 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) No. That is what happened in the past and it is important that it does not happen in the future. We...
Grahame Morris | 532 c199 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c200 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right in relation to the independent treatment centre contracts. They were constru...
Margot James | 532 c200 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend think that the previous Government set up the system for private companies...
Lord Lansley | 532 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) No. The implication of these proposals is that we are not continuing with our previous proposals to...
Lord Lansley | 532 c199 (Link to this contribution) The point I am making is that we are not transferring foundation trusts or NHS trusts into the priva...
Owen Smith | 532 c199 (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify a remark that the Secretary of State just made to my hon. Friend the Member for Easin...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c200 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State agree that it is unfortunate that the Government have not had an opportu...
Lord Lansley | 532 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) I am confused. I understood that the hon. Lady was a member of the Bill Committees. [Hon. Members: “...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c201 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Grahame Morris | 532 c225 (Link to this contribution) I do not find this at all funny. I would find it really worrying if this report is an indication of ...
Simon Burns | 532 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) May I say to the hon. Gentleman that that report is unadulterated claptrap? The trouble is that it w...
Grahame Morris | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to labour the point, but the report in The Guardian said that freedom of information r...
Simon Burns | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) There is an air of déjà vu to this debate now, although I am delighted to be taking part in a debate...
Grahame Morris | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) I will give the Minister an opportunity to do that, if he so wishes.
Grahame Morris | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) That point was raised during the Secretary of State's earlier remarks. [Interruption.] Well, it came...
Andrew Gwynne | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to talk about the potential role for overseas health companies. He might hav...
Grahame Morris | 532 c225-6 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the Minister, if he wishes to give that assurance from the Dispatch Box. I...
Lord Beamish | 532 c225 (Link to this contribution) Would not the Secretary of State be able to clear that up tonight by giving a categorical assurance ...
Grahame Morris | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that that information has been put on the record.
Frank Dobson | 532 c224 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend may like to know that even in the final year of the Labour Government just 2.1% of op...
Grahame Morris | 532 c222 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that issue, which I will return to later. There were ass...
Pat Glass | 532 c222 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State mentioned 38 Degrees and clearly, it has touched a raw nerve. Quite apart fro...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c221 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend believe that misinformation and emotive language almost began and ended when the...
Grahame Morris | 532 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's contribution, as that is an excellent point. If hon. Members will...
Jim Shannon | 532 c223 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the survey carried out among the 50,000 members of the Chartered Soci...
Grahame Morris | 532 c222 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for expressing that concern, which many people share—even among the ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c222 (Link to this contribution) Apart, perhaps, from his warm comments about Lord Tebbit, my hon. Friend is, as ever, making a well-...
John Pugh | 532 c218-20 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Lady has not understood the point that I was making. Her own Government were respon...
Grahame Morris | 532 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) I am privileged to have the opportunity to speak in this debate on an issue close to my heart. A num...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c221 (Link to this contribution) I am listening very carefully to the hon. Gentleman, as I did in Committee. Indeed, those of us who ...
Grahame Morris | 532 c221 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I do not agree with the hon. Lady, as she might expect. The Secretary of State said that...
Daniel Byles | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) In view of the speech that the right hon. Gentleman is making and his definition of a ““proper Conse...
Frank Dobson | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) People have described me as old Labour, but I have moved on from that. I am now heritage Labour. Par...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Frank Dobson | 532 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. I believe that the national health service is popular for two reasons: because, in ...
John Pugh | 532 c217-8 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to my amendments 1219 and 1220, and against amendment 10. The House is right to be s...
Diana Johnson | 532 c218 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman's contribution. He has been talking a lot abou...
Frank Dobson | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) In fairness, I think that given the accuracy of the present Government's aim, if they tried to rubbe...
Frank Dobson | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. I think that nowadays those who call themselves members of the...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c216 (Link to this contribution) I winder whether my right hon. Friend heard the Leader of the House say to the Hansard Society that"...
Frank Dobson | 532 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) I was attacking them! I am sorry if the hon. Gentleman did not notice, but I believe I was the first...
Grahame Morris | 532 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) May I take up my right hon. Friend's point about effective scrutiny and the assurances that Minister...
Frank Dobson | 532 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. A further point is that I doubt whether there is a single cons...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 532 c214 (Link to this contribution) I admire the right hon. Gentleman's chutzpah, but I wonder whether he was missing in action during t...
Frank Dobson | 532 c213 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman—and, for that matter, the Secretary of State and the Chair of the Health Selec...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c213 (Link to this contribution) Before we get into any more claims of more being spent, I want to touch on two examples of cutbacks,...
Chris Skidmore | 532 c213 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has mentioned the £8 billion being spent on administration in the NHS. I as...
Lyn Brown | 532 c212 (Link to this contribution) Bearing in mind the lack of popularity of the proposals among our constituents, is my right hon. Fri...
Frank Dobson | 532 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. Nobody could possibly claim that redundancy payments constitute money being spent ...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c211 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who answers the hon. Member for Worsley and Eccles South (Bar...
Frank Dobson | 532 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) I begin with a reminder. I was one of those Labour people who voted against the establishment of fou...
Dan Poulter | 532 c212 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Frank Dobson | 532 c212 (Link to this contribution) No, not for the minute. That change was the result of improved working practices developed by the p...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c211 (Link to this contribution) Ministers can correct me, but my understanding is that, under the obligation being introduced, they ...
Simon Burns | 532 c211 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Simon Burns | 532 c211 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way and allowing me to clarify the point. Let me re...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c209 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. One of the further important clarifications in their positio...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c209 (Link to this contribution) As always, my right hon. Friend is making an extremely powerful speech. Does he accept the necessity...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) In considering these amendments, it is important to refer to the individual functions of Monitor env...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c210 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is a member of the Select Committee, because he provides me...
Grahame Morris | 532 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) As always, the right hon. Gentleman, the Chairman of the Health Select Committee, is making a powerf...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c209 (Link to this contribution) I agree that the sustainability of essential services—or, in the Government's wording, the continuit...
Andrew George | 532 c209 (Link to this contribution) I entirely endorse the point that my right hon. Friend makes about the need to uphold standards and ...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman provide some clarification? I think that he said ““should”” and not ““...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c210 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the Government have clarified that foundation trust board meetings should b...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c210 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman think that standards can be maintained, and be seen to be maintained, ...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c206 (Link to this contribution) Fortunately, I was not a Member of Parliament at that time. As I said earlier, I have no problem wit...
Caroline Lucas | 532 c206 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady acknowledge that when her party introduced foundation trusts back in 2003, many o...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c207 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution.
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) There is a fundamental difference between this Bill and any other on the health service. The Governm...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c207 (Link to this contribution) I would be happy to forward to the hon. Gentleman a British Medical Journal article that reproduced ...
Daniel Byles | 532 c207 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Lady say to Professor Stephen Field, who was the chairman of the independent NHS ...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c207 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend. When I raised these issues in the recent recommitted Bill Committee, ...
Frank Dobson | 532 c207 (Link to this contribution) Steve Field was a great asset to the Government when he was president of the Royal College of Genera...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c208 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman referred to a misunderstanding of the original Bill. The Secretary of State...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the amendments that the Government have tabled for consideration. I also welcome the very ...
Chris Skidmore | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Lady placing on the record her party's opposition to any form of competition in the NHS?...
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c206 (Link to this contribution) On the point about foundation trust mergers, when was the last time that the Office of Fair Trading ...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) It is very interesting that the Government have changed how they measure waiting lists and now use a...
Dan Poulter | 532 c205 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady not accept that waiting lists have not gone up in England but have gone up in Wal...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c205 (Link to this contribution) There are many unanswered questions about the Bill, which makes it particularly dangerous. By openi...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c205 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recall, as I do, that time and again in the recommitted Bill Committee we asked ...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c205 (Link to this contribution) No, I will make some progress. The listening exercise failed to register the concern of many health...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) As we have shown, we are not opposed to private sector involvement in the UK's health system. What i...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c206 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for drawing that to my attention. He is absolutely right. The Secre...
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c203 (Link to this contribution) No. I do not want to intrude on the time of other Members. Amendments 1219 and 1220 tabled by my ho...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) No. The OFT and the Competition Commission would obtain Monitor's view on how a proposed merger wou...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c201 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c201 (Link to this contribution) No. I will answer her question. The functions that it exercises in relation to health care include a...
Andrew George | 532 c203 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c201-3 (Link to this contribution) No. She can sit down. Let me come to the other Opposition amendments. Amendment 10 would delete all...
Lord Lansley | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) No. I return to the choice offered in this group of amendments between the Government and Oppositio...
Debbie Abrahams | 532 c204 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has insisted that the amended Health and Social Care Bill shows that the Gove...
Grahame Morris | 532 c229 (Link to this contribution) This is the danger. Labour Members have attempted to highlight it, and people are increasingly aware...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c229 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich (Dr Poulter), who is also a member of the Sele...
Grahame Morris | 532 c229 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that example. It illustrates the importance of that improvement, the value that pe...
Grahame Morris | 532 c228 (Link to this contribution) We had this exchange many times in the Committee on a variety of clauses. We need to give some credi...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c228 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a wonderful speech. I wanted to make this point when my right hon. Friend t...
Grahame Morris | 532 c228 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend from the Committee.
Dan Poulter | 532 c228 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point. Under the previous Government cataract and hip operations were done more quick...
Dan Poulter | 532 c228 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c227 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend concerned, as I am, that 2% of PCT budgets—approximately £2 billion—is being used ...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c231 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has read it, which is very good; I see him nodding his head. He also asked a key ...
Julian Sturdy | 532 c230 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman talks about health inequalities, but does he accept that under the current system...
Grahame Morris | 532 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) The picture is incredibly variable. We should consider many of the policies that the Government are ...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c231 (Link to this contribution) I draw the House's attention to the Register of Members' Financial Interests. I congratulate the ho...
Frank Dobson | 532 c229 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that if we want to look at how best to increase the number of people who ...
Grahame Morris | 532 c229 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for putting those important statistics on the record. Governme...
Jeremy Lefroy | 532 c230 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman. Will he accept and welcome the fact that clau...
Grahame Morris | 532 c230 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point. Like the curate's egg, the Bill is good in parts—and bad in parts. I am prepar...
Grahame Morris | 532 c227 (Link to this contribution) Again, that is a really good point. An incredible number of complex and detailed changes have taken ...
Diana Johnson | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that if this Bill had been properly drafted in the first place and there h...
Grahame Morris | 532 c227 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his point and for his kind words. My contention is that the prob...
Nicholas Dakin | 532 c227 (Link to this contribution) I do not think my hon. Friend is making a clumsy speech at all; he is making a lot of very good poin...
Dan Poulter | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept, however, that the previous Government failed to put in place any ade...
Grahame Morris | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting in any way, shape or form that every NHS organisation—be it an NHS hospital trus...
Grahame Morris | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. At this late stage in the process, however, these are huge and significant changes.
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) Just to help the hon. Gentleman, a number of the amendments relate to the continuity of services, wh...
Grahame Morris | 532 c226 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair and reasonable point and I concede that.
Emily Thornberry | 532 c285 (Link to this contribution) What is extraordinary is that many people who used to go private felt that it was not necessary to d...
Dan Poulter | 532 c285 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is very kind to give way twice. She makes well the point about why the private sector ...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c284 (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak to amendment 1165, which stands in my name and those of my right hon. Friend t...
Dan Poulter | 532 c284 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady is well aware, the previous Government introduced the private sector in a number of...
Speaker | 532 c282 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 22—Private health care: rules—...
Andrew George | 532 c282-4 (Link to this contribution) The new clauses deal with a totemic issue that has bedevilled the debate throughout and raised conce...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c285-6 (Link to this contribution) Exactly; I am very grateful to my hon. Friend. The Secretary of State, like the Minister of State, ...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c286 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Lady has seen a note from the Foundation Trust Network that was, I be...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c285 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that that contribution was of some use to someone in this debate, but I am not going to bo...
Helen Jones | 532 c285 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the real difference between what was happening under the Labour Gover...
Andrew George | 532 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) I will be as brief as I can—there is no pressure on me. I tabled nine of the amendments in this grou...
Lord Lansley | 532 c250-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for St Ives (Andrew George) for the additional time, and ...
Speaker | 532 c251 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby. The House having divided: Aye...
Speaker | 532 c248 (Link to this contribution) Order. If the hon. Gentleman will resume his seat, let me say that the knife comes down at 8.30 pm a...
Andrew George | 532 c282 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Paul Burstow | 532 c278 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 532 c278 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 4—Orders under sect...
Owen Smith | 532 c279-80 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to take long, because we must get on to the important next group of new clauses and ...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c286 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady. I think that if we were to stop and walk away from party politics, w...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c286 (Link to this contribution) The misinformation and emotive language that has been used throughout the whole debate has been usin...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c286-7 (Link to this contribution) That is why I have been relying on the Government's impact assessment as perhaps the strongest part ...
Simon Burns | 532 c287-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Cornwall—I mean the hon. Member for St Ives (Andrew G...
Andrew George | 532 c288 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is making an interesting point. Will he elaborate further on the proportions of the pri...
Simon Burns | 532 c288 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, but the simplistic answer is that it is a combination ...
Simon Burns | 532 c288-9 (Link to this contribution) No, because others want to speak. I can assure the House that FTs will retain their principal legal...
Simon Burns | 532 c289-90 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me, but I will not give way, because other hon. Me...
Tom Blenkinsop | 532 c238 (Link to this contribution) One essential point that we have to raise about Monitor is that it is a replica of an economic regul...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c237-8 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. You will forgive me; my lip reading was obviously slightly wrong. He l...
Speaker | 532 c237 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is not a conversation but a debate. I do not think that the Minister indicated that he w...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c237 (Link to this contribution) How much? I will give way if the Minister tells me exactly how much it is all going to cost. I shall...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c237 (Link to this contribution) I can categorically say that we have asked the questions over and again and we do not get any answer...
Steve McCabe | 532 c237 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend have any idea of how much the reorganisation is going to cost? The hon. Member f...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, Mr Deputy Speaker. Each time I said ““you””, I meant the Secretary of State. The Secre...
Speaker | 532 c236 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Lady must desist from using the word ““you””, as it refers to the Chair.
Rosie Cooper | 532 c236 (Link to this contribution) The Minister keeps saying no, but the reality is that, as I told the Secretary of State, you may ver...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c233 (Link to this contribution) I hope the hon. Member for Easington has a better intervention to make.
Rosie Cooper | 532 c235 (Link to this contribution) Members of the public listening to Government Members this afternoon might wonder whether we were ha...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c233-5 (Link to this contribution) I will not get into the nuances and the legal battles that other hon. Members have raised. Professor...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c232 (Link to this contribution) I do remember that. The changes outlined in both the original Bill and the amendments that have been...
Valerie Vaz | 532 c232 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recall these words—““NHS”” and ““no top-down reorganisation””, said by one D...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c233 (Link to this contribution) The speech of my right hon. Friend the Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Frank Dobson) is one of th...
Mark Simmonds | 532 c233 (Link to this contribution) I give way first to the hon. Member for Worsley and Eccles South (Barbara Keeley).
Mark Simmonds | 532 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall finish this point, and then I will happily give way to the hon. Gentleman, because he was ex...
John Pugh | 532 c247 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a big difference between making fundamental decisions, as we accept Monitor will someti...
Liz Kendall | 532 c243-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand why the hon. Gentleman tabled those amendments and I understand his concerns. Oppositio...
Andrew George | 532 c243 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Lady shares my disappointment that, despite the fact that we have debated this ...
Liz Kendall | 532 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) This is a crucial part of the debate that we will have over the next couple of days. Parts 3 and 4 o...
Liz Kendall | 532 c247-8 (Link to this contribution) I should add that, as the hon. Gentleman will see, page 6 of the briefing notes that the Government ...
Dan Poulter | 532 c242 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman was a part of the party of Government at that time. Lord Warner was a leadi...
Frank Dobson | 532 c242 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that when I was Secretary of State for Health, Norman Warner did not get anywhere the Depa...
Dan Poulter | 532 c241-2 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman did not give way to me, but I will give way to him in a moment and listen t...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c240 (Link to this contribution) I think that a few Labour Members are quite surprised by what the hon. Gentleman has said, and the H...
Dan Poulter | 532 c240 (Link to this contribution) The aim is consistent with that of the previous Government in bringing in the private sector—to impr...
Baroness Keeley | 532 c241 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Dan Poulter | 532 c241 (Link to this contribution) No, sit down. The hon. Lady should listen to this, because it is important. The point is that doctor...
Dan Poulter | 532 c241 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little progress. Other speakers want to contribute, so I hope that the hon. Lad...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c238-9 (Link to this contribution) I would suggest that it is a failing model, and not one that we should be looking at. I should like...
Steve McCabe | 532 c240 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman moves on, I want to make sure that I have understood him. Is he saying tha...
Dan Poulter | 532 c239-40 (Link to this contribution) I was hoping to begin on a more consensual note, picking up on a few things that have been said arou...
Andrew George | 532 c294 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Diana Johnson), but I do no...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c292 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has quoted me, so let me clarify that I was quoting the Deputy Prime Minister whe...
John Pugh | 532 c292 (Link to this contribution) I may not have paraphrased the hon. Lady correctly, but I believe that the sentiments I described we...
Chris Leslie | 532 c292-3 (Link to this contribution) I intended to make only a short intervention, but given the Minister's cap on interventions, I decid...
Diana Johnson | 532 c293-4 (Link to this contribution) I support amendment 1165. Although I have a great deal of respect for the Minister, his comments did...
Speaker | 532 c290 (Link to this contribution) Order. Four Members are seeking to catch my eye, and I should like to give the person who moved the ...
Simon Burns | 532 c290 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that this will come as a surprise to the hon. Lady, but I do not think that I am wron...
John Pugh | 532 c291-2 (Link to this contribution) I supported the amendment tabled by the hon. Member for Islington South and Finsbury (Emily Thornber...
Caroline Lucas | 532 c290-1 (Link to this contribution) New clauses 19 and 22 also have my name on them, and I should like to say a few more words in suppor...
Emily Thornberry | 532 c290 (Link to this contribution) I do not mean in any way to suggest that the right hon. Gentleman does not believe what he has just ...
Grahame Morris | 532 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that information. I know that other hon. Members have spent a day with the health ...
Grahame Morris | 532 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) I am making rather slow progress, but I did want to get on to health inequalities. My hon. Friend ma...
Speaker | 532 c250 (Link to this contribution) Order. I just remind the hon. Gentleman that the timetable for the debate was not set by me. I am me...
Paul Burstow | 532 c278-9 (Link to this contribution) These Government amendments will make important changes to extend Monitor's intervention powers over...
Grahame Morris | 532 c233 (Link to this contribution) Can we agree on one thing—that opinions should be evidence-based? I was amazed that when Professor S...
Dan Poulter | 532 c241 (Link to this contribution) The point is—I speak as a front-line doctor who still practises in the NHS—that far too often we see...

Subjects

Accountability
Competition
Health services
Finance
Health authorities
General practitioners
Private sector
NHS
Procurement
NHS foundation trusts
Social services
Reorganisation
Monitor
NHS Commissioning Board

Legislation

Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12

Link

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