Education Bill. Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 20 to 29 agreed to. Schedules 7,8,9 agreed to. New clause under consideration when sitting adjourned. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.
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Proceeding contributions
Lord McAvoy | 729 c359GC, (corrigendum) 981-2 (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly, in response to the Minister, I have not said much different from my noble friend Lady ...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c359GC, (corrigendum) 981-2 (Link to this contribution)
I said there was a thread running through the amendments.
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c359GC, (corrigendum) 981-2 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for intervening on the noble Lord, but we have a group coming later that is all to do wi...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 729 c349GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support wholeheartedly what my noble friend Lady Massey has just said, particularly in r...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 729 c351-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to my amendment in this group.
First, though, I shall address a small point...
Baroness O'Cathain | 729 c355GC (Link to this contribution)
That is a marvellous statement that is simply not true, because it is actually said that you want to...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c316GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am also one of those who think it pretty important that the curriculum is seen to be ind...
Lord Peston | 729 c314GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lady Hughes and to echo the words of my old friend, the ...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c308-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the remarks that have just been made. Ofqual is in its early stages; it has set ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c348GC (Link to this contribution)
I certainly can. If the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, were here, she would give the example of a part...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 729 c342GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her response, and some of the things which she has shared with us are reall...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 729 c340GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to the debate on whether this clause should stand part of the Bill on behalf ...
Lord Elton | 729 c335GC (Link to this contribution)
I know that the Committee is anxious to get to the point. The noble Lord has spent some time demolis...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c333GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support the amendment and to tell noble Lords a little story. Back in 1965, my m...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c325-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 86AA, 86CZA and 86DB in my name and that of the noble Barone...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c359-60GC (Link to this contribution)
I totally agree with my noble friend Lady Walmsley and I support her amendment and the amendment of ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c359GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to sum up on what has been a wide-ranging debate; I just want to make a quick comment...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c361GC (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord mean that it will be finished soon, or that it will be started start soon?
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c360-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not be quite as brief as the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, but I shall do my best. A...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c359GC (Link to this contribution)
I am so sorry to interrupt the noble Lord again but I think that he has misunderstood a great deal o...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c358-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to hear the noble Baroness say that she supports the rights of parents. If parents se...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c359GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord again, but could he please be specific about what it is in my...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c359GC (Link to this contribution)
That is the second time that my noble friend has accused me of misunderstanding her. I fully confess...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c361-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I know that the noble Baroness is keen that the review should be as short as possible and that she t...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c362GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate, especially my noble friend the Minister. ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c348-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with all due respect, I think my noble friend is misunderstanding me. I am not saying that...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 729 c350-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to speak in support of these amendments and to talk briefly about the critic...
Lord Layard | 729 c349-50GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the proposers of these amendments because they deal with one of the central...
Lord Elton | 729 c353GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know that there are quite a number of people who, like me, should declare an interest in...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c353-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not have an amendment and I do not have a speech, but I have a question: how do we co...
Baroness O'Cathain | 729 c354GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the Education Bill and particularly the determination to have a slimmed-down national curr...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c354-5GC (Link to this contribution)
PSHE is a subject which, given the ethos and support for it in school, can run across all subjects i...
Baroness O'Cathain | 729 c355GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention and the noble Baroness is absolutely right that all of that can ...
Baroness Whitaker | 729 c355GC (Link to this contribution)
I support Amendment 98, in particular new subsections (6) and (7). We live in a nation of many cultu...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c355GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness again. The noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, is saying they ...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c357GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in response to the query raised by the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, about inspections, as ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c356-7GC (Link to this contribution)
This whole business of PSHE is almost written on one’s brain because the argument for it has come up...
Lord Lucas | 729 c356GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I entirely agree what with the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, just said. I would have said i...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c355-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I have been mentioned. I have not resiled from the position I took on Monday and I continue to have ...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c358GC (Link to this contribution)
I think the answer is that a school does; and it would be held to account for that by Ofsted and by ...
Bishop of Chester | 729 c357-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to make three brief points. First, I join in the general applause for the no...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c358GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, all the contributions have reflected positive attitudes and have contained many positive w...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister’s answer to his noble friend’s question is substantially right in that if a school trie...
Lord Peston | 729 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
My Alzheimer's is worse than I thought it was. The Secretary of State must be aware of that technolo...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall take us back to the amendment. I do not have any great love for the QCDA. It was not a perfe...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c316GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to reassure my noble friend Lord Peston that philosophy occasionally plays a pa...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c316-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree that philosophy is very helpful to young children. It helps them understand who th...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c317-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in abolishing the QCDA we are not seeking to give the Secretary of State greater control o...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. An academy will have total control over its curriculum...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
It is not the case that the teaching of creationism in science, for example, is possible in academie...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 729 c313-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I have been asked by my noble friend Lady Walmsley to speak in support of Amendment 86, which is in ...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 729 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, very briefly, this is my maiden contribution to this consideration in Committee of the Bil...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 729 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is also my maiden intervention in this Bill. I support the final comments that were m...
Lord Lingfield | 729 c308GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rather support the amendment because, as my noble friend Lady Perry said, a large number...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c311GC (Link to this contribution)
85A: Clause 24, page 27, line 2, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsection (4),””
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c311-3GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 85A and Amendment 86B, in my name and that of my noble friend, relate to Clause 24. Among ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the core point of this amendment, we certainly want to create a system that encourages ...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c310-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that reply and the detail that he offered. I am particularly pleas...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c306-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I warmly thank the Minister for his thoughtful comments and for the way in which he wishes to tackle...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c307-8GC (Link to this contribution)
85: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—
““Duty to assign point scores
(1) Ofqual shall...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c308GC (Link to this contribution)
I move this amendment on behalf of my noble friend Lord Lucas, who I think is rowing for the Lords a...
Lord Geddes | 729 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene on the noble Lord for a second. Could I ask our expert in the corner whether...
Lord Puttnam | 729 c303-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Lord Chairman. I could go into detail about why I think this is so important, but perhaps...
Lord Peston | 729 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister speaks, I unfortunately missed the last meeting of your Lordships’ Committee. I ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c305-6GC (Link to this contribution)
First, I agree very much with the view expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam, and with the power...
Lord Puttnam | 729 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is grouped with Amendment 107C tabled in my name and that of the noble Lord...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c347-8GC (Link to this contribution)
It was not as good as mine. I remember a story told by a very humorous Roman Catholic nun. She was o...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c347GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope the noble Baroness will forgive me. I just wanted to say that the noble Baroness did tell me ...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c348GC (Link to this contribution)
Can my noble friend give us a definition of what she considers to be education and what she consider...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c348GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for that clarification. I am sure she is fed up with me, but perhap...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 729 c346GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, my Lords, there is a Division in the Chamber.
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c346GC (Link to this contribution)
Do I have to start again then?
Baroness Pitkeathley | 729 c346GC (Link to this contribution)
I leave that up to the noble Baroness.
Sitting suspended for a Division in the House.
Baroness Pitkeathley | 729 c346GC (Link to this contribution)
Before we continue, we have been given notice that some noble Lords are having difficulty in hearing...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c346-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I will refrain from testing noble Lords on what I said before the Division. I was merely agreeing wi...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c342-3GC (Link to this contribution)
88: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—
““Personal, social, health and economic educat...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 729 c342GC (Link to this contribution)
Regarding Amendment 88, I must tell your Lordships that if it is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c341-2GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 28 is the first of two clauses related to the diploma entitlement. This clause removes the du...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c345-6GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, on her rowing exploits today—even though...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c343-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 88 and to speak to Amendments 89 and 90 in my name. They are copi...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c340-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise briefly to support my noble friend. We have heard a lot from the Minister and his noble frien...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c335-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we know that the most important determinant of success post-16 is attainment pre-16. I sta...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c338-40GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had a very good debate on this issue. If anyone was in any doubt before we started...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 729 c334-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the group of amendments so ably moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Jones. I...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 729 c335GC (Link to this contribution)
I indicated at the outset that I support the group of amendments moved by the noble Baroness, Lady J...
Lord Low of Dalston | 729 c331-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to oblige the Committee. As my amendment has already been referred to several times ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 729 c333-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I want to intervene briefly on this. I should declare an interest as, like the noble Lord, Lord Bosw...
Lord Elton | 729 c333GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak, if I may, to Amendments 86E and 86F, about the age at which careers advice is made av...
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 729 c330-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I preface my remarks by asking for some agreement on definitions. It is the word ““school”...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c331GC (Link to this contribution)
If my noble friend will forgive me, I invite the noble Lord, Lord Low to speak to his amendment in t...
Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 729 c328-30GC (Link to this contribution)
I support most of the amendments in the group and I want to focus in particular on careers advice, o...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c328GC (Link to this contribution)
I am certainly in sympathy with everything that has been said on this subject. It takes me back quit...
Lord Peston | 729 c327-8GC (Link to this contribution)
In supporting my noble friend, I start by placing this whole problem in a proper context. A five yea...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 729 c323-5GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 86G which is tabled in my name and I shall touch on some of the...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c320-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 86B, 86C, 86D, 86E and 86F. These relate to concerns abou...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c320GC (Link to this contribution)
86A: Clause 26, page 27, line 13, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsection (7),””
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response and all noble Lords for their contributions to this important ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c319GC (Link to this contribution)
The point on the funding agreement is the one that I mentioned to my noble friend Lord Willis, which...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c319GC (Link to this contribution)
Could we all have a copy of the letter explaining how creationism is prevented being taught?
Baroness O'Cathain | 729 c363GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for giving way. The point I am making—I am finding it hard to speak becau...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c363-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I accept what the noble Baroness has heard, but it is not my understanding that that is the case. Ho...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c364GC (Link to this contribution)
I accept the noble Baroness’s point of view.
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c364GC (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the noble Lord. That is a good point on which to beg leave to withdraw the ame...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c364GC (Link to this contribution)
This may be a convenient point for the Committee to adjourn until Monday at 3.30 pm.
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