London Local Authorities Bill (HL). Second reading debate agreed to on division (293 votes to 21) and committed.
London Local Authorities Bill [Lords] (By Order)
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 13 October 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by Mike Freer.
The answering
member was Robert Neill.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
516 c374-408 Session
2010-12Legislative stage
Second readingChamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
London Local Authorities Bill (HL). Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard (Vote).
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Chris Williamson | 516 c383-4 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you very much, indeed, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am absolutely delighted and somewhat surprised to ...
Peter Bone | 516 c384 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, if Parliament has expressed a view nationally about turnstiles, why should there be a...
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Mike Freer | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point, but the Bill deals with only the removal of an obstruction on the...
Christopher Chope | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way before he finishes his speech?
Mike Freer | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
I shall make progress, because I have been generous with my time.
We need to ensure that Londoners ...
Speaker | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
I call Chris Williamson. Welcome to the Front Bench.
Mike Freer | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
If I could wind up—
Simon Hughes | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
One last question?
Simon Hughes | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
The Whip's not looking; he's slipped out of the Chamber for a second.
Will the promoters of the Bil...
Robert Neill | 516 c386-7 (Link to this contribution)
I do not believe the Department for Communities and Local Government can be accused of having twiddl...
Robert Neill | 516 c386 (Link to this contribution)
I will on this occasion, although I might not be as generous as the Bill's sponsor throughout the wh...
Christopher Chope | 516 c386 (Link to this contribution)
I find that rather disappointing, because I do not seek to intervene unless I have a question.
The ...
Robert Neill | 516 c386 (Link to this contribution)
I have enjoyed sitting outside the occasional premises myself in the past, and the hon. Gentleman is...
Christopher Chope | 516 c386 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Robert Neill | 516 c385-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a fair point, but rather than regard that point as fatal to the Bill's future p...
Simon Hughes | 516 c386 (Link to this contribution)
May I reinforce that point clearly? The danger is shown in the service charges for people who have b...
Robert Neill | 516 c384-5 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Finchley and Golders Green (Mike Freer) on the way in w...
Mark Field | 516 c385 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support much of what is in the Bill, but I have some concerns about these penalty charges...
Chris Williamson | 516 c384 (Link to this contribution)
The measure was asked for and debated at length by the local authorities. Indeed, there have been de...
Mike Freer | 516 c379 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the concern that big operators can dominate the appeals process. That is why larger ope...
Christopher Chope | 516 c379 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that the Food Standards Agency, which has been given a national remit to ...
Mike Freer | 516 c379-80 (Link to this contribution)
I am surprised that my hon. Friend is lauding a national regulatory quango while arguing against reg...
Christopher Chope | 516 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will know that no less a person than the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Ha...
Mike Freer | 516 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is that the promoters have responded in that the power to seek entry is now restric...
Christopher Chope | 516 c380 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way once again and I am sorry to have to criticise him on...
Mike Freer | 516 c380-1 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot speak for the Secretary of State or the former Secretary of State, but perhaps the Minister...
John McDonnell | 516 c381 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has raised an important issue. This is the position: since 2004, the problems of ...
Mike Freer | 516 c378-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the jam made by the women's institute in Shipley is a fine product. The system with o...
Mark Field | 516 c379 (Link to this contribution)
Having been out recently with the environmental protection team at Westminster city council and watc...
Christopher Chope | 516 c382 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Mike Freer | 516 c382 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. [Interruption.]
Simon Hughes | 516 c382 (Link to this contribution)
I am a temporary substitute for my hon. Friend the Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake),...
Mike Freer | 516 c382 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. If we get to Committee stage, we can consider defining reason...
Simon Hughes | 516 c383 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Christopher Chope | 516 c382 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry that the Whip thinks it unreasonable for my hon. Friend to give way. I think it is very r...
Mike Freer | 516 c382-3 (Link to this contribution)
The problem is that it is already an offence to advertise cars for sale on the highway. Even if the ...
Mark Field | 516 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way; he is being generous with his time. While I entirely endorse ...
Mike Freer | 516 c381 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is quite correct, but the big difference between a local authority or an ALMO and an ...
Mike Freer | 516 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention.
Speaker | 516 c395 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is going to flush out the subject a little more, but we are...
Christopher Chope | 516 c395 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend brings his legal expertise to bear on this issue and asks a very pertinent ques...
Greg Knight | 516 c394 (Link to this contribution)
If this Bill were to be enacted, how would the provisions of clause 9 apply to a vendor who has no w...
Christopher Chope | 516 c394 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes his point perfectly. We in this House have the privilege of the opportunity to ...
Philip Davies | 516 c394 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on wiping the floor with this part of the Bill and illustrating so eff...
Christopher Chope | 516 c394 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree. The disclaimer states:"““Food premises may only be inspected every 6-36 months as ...
Peter Bone | 516 c394 (Link to this contribution)
In my constituency, many restaurants enter the scheme voluntarily, which is fine. However, the ratin...
Christopher Chope | 516 c393-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman's intervention is timely, as I was just going to refer to Scores on the Doors, wh...
Philip Davies | 516 c395 (Link to this contribution)
The Society of London Theatre and the Theatrical Management Association are worried that clause 23 w...
Tom Brake | 516 c399 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Christopher Chope | 516 c396-7 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes another very good point. I am sure that if the coalition Government are short o...
Philip Davies | 516 c396 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that this could be argued the other way round? He says that turnstiles ar...
Christopher Chope | 516 c398 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a perfectly fair point, but he and I will in our time in this place have ...
Greg Knight | 516 c397 (Link to this contribution)
I hear my hon. Friend's argument, but all of what he says could be put right in Committee. If he fee...
Christopher Chope | 516 c395-6 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, Mr Deputy Speaker. The great joy for people in Christchurch is that even when they reach...
Christopher Chope | 516 c396 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether my right hon. Friend had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he was making tha...
Greg Knight | 516 c396 (Link to this contribution)
May I put it gently to my hon. Friend that he has the argument the wrong way round? Surely we should...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 516 c398-9 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is deeply disagreeable and it is remarkable that the House of Commons should spend so much ...
Robert Neill | 516 c388 (Link to this contribution)
As my hon. Friend knows, the Government are committed, through the localism and decentralisation Bil...
Peter Bone | 516 c388 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for the great attention he is giving to the detail of the Bill. Clearl...
Philip Davies | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
Simon Hughes | 516 c388 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that point will be accepted by the sponsors and that we end up with a regime that gives ...
Philip Davies | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has picked up a point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborough (Mr Bone). I...
Robert Neill | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
There is an argument about whether fairness includes desserts, but I will give way to my hon. Friend...
Robert Neill | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
I must draw my remarks to a conclusion. I have been generous so far—
Robert Neill | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
I hear my hon. Friend's point and I have already set out some of the aspects of the Bill that we thi...
Christopher Chope | 516 c390 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to participate in this debate. If some of us had not objected to the Bill goi...
John McDonnell | 516 c389-90 (Link to this contribution)
I want to speak briefly on a point of constituency interest. I am especially concerned about the pow...
Christopher Chope | 516 c391 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend that this is a very wide-ranging Bill. The fact that it is the 10th such...
Peter Bone | 516 c391 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend clarify for the House that what we are doing today—deciding whether to give the ...
Christopher Chope | 516 c392 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend. I am sure that, when hon. Members start to look at the detail of these ...
Philip Davies | 516 c391 (Link to this contribution)
As my hon. Friend knows from our debates on the pedlars Bills, I agree with him wholeheartedly on th...
Christopher Chope | 516 c392-3 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely; I hope that that is what the Government believe as well, even though my hon. Friend has ...
Philip Davies | 516 c392 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for allowing me a second bite of the cherry. Does he agree that it i...
Chris Williamson | 516 c393 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is appropriate for local authorities to seek to protect the pu...
Philip Davies | 516 c402-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is much bigger than I am, so I would not want to get into an argument with him.
I ac...
Stephen Pound | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
““See you outside.””
Philip Davies | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I will continue. I will have a chat outside with my hon. Friend; we ca...
Philip Davies | 516 c400-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am rather nervous about contributing to the debate, following my hon. Friends the Members for Chri...
Tom Brake | 516 c399 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Does he make a distinction between a single vehicle being...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 516 c400 (Link to this contribution)
There are all sorts of rules and regulations on planning that affect how someone may trade as a busi...
Speaker | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Some hon. Gentlemen have just come into the Chamber, but in fairness they ought to have been ...
Philip Davies | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
No, I absolutely do not, because I do not want unnecessary regulation. My hon. Friend's point of vie...
David Burrowes | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a characteristically good case in support of his argument, and I join him in su...
Tom Brake | 516 c403 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman would be quite so keen on that free enterprise and all those car...
Philip Davies | 516 c403-4 (Link to this contribution)
If somebody is legally able to park their vehicle on a particular part of the street, it does not ma...
Philip Davies | 516 c404-5 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly am. I would urge any right-minded person, particularly with a conservative philosophy, t...
Mike Freer | 516 c405 (Link to this contribution)
claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).
Peter Bone | 516 c405-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, but I was just about to discuss that dilemma. However, I shal...
Greg Knight | 516 c405 (Link to this contribution)
In fairness to the Bill's promoters, is it not the case that the Bill originated when we had a Gover...
Peter Bone | 516 c405 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Finchley and Golders Green (Mike Freer) on the admirabl...
Philip Davies | 516 c375 (Link to this contribution)
The problem with that is that London is unique: it is visited by large numbers of people from all ov...
Peter Bone | 516 c375 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a powerful case, but should this power for police support officers not be a...
Mike Freer | 516 c375 (Link to this contribution)
It is for the Government to decide whether they wish to give that general power to the police. The d...
Christopher Chope | 516 c374 (Link to this contribution)
As he represents Finchley and Golders Green, my hon. Friend will be aware that today is the 85th ann...
Mike Freer | 516 c374-5 (Link to this contribution)
The last time I spoke to the good lady we discussed many things but the London Local Authorities Bil...
Mark Field | 516 c376 (Link to this contribution)
I have sympathy with the sentiments expressed by my hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip Davie...
Mike Freer | 516 c376 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very good point, but if he wants to deal with the people who cause the litter...
Philip Davies | 516 c376 (Link to this contribution)
I am puzzled that my hon. Friend blames local takeaway establishments for litter. Surely he would ac...
Mike Freer | 516 c375-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point, but I believe that the basic premise is that abuse of the law is ...
Mike Freer | 516 c378 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point, but that is not my understanding of how the scheme in London woul...
Philip Davies | 516 c378 (Link to this contribution)
I understand my hon. Friend's point, although I have a fear that this is a solution looking for a pr...
Mike Freer | 516 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. Some operators, such as McDonald's, are very responsible and do p...
Christopher Chope | 516 c377 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend must be aware of the concerns of the Society of London Theatre and the Theatrical Man...
Mike Freer | 516 c377-8 (Link to this contribution)
We do not know what those specific concerns are; I have certainly not been made aware of the detail,...
Peter Bone | 516 c378 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on the way in which he is introducing the Bill on Second Reading, whic...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 516 c399 (Link to this contribution)
It would be an honour.
Nick de Bois | 516 c402 (Link to this contribution)
Unfortunately, I do not know my hon. Friend's constituency well, but in my constituency, where there...
Peter Bone | 516 c404 (Link to this contribution)
I have to make my mind up whether to support the Bill if there is a Division. Is my hon. Friend sugg...
Speaker | 516 c405 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to take the closure motion at this point. I have another speaker on my list, and I th...
Mike Freer | 516 c374 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
This is the 10th London Local Authorities B...
Christopher Chope | 516 c395 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. My hon. Friend the Minister said the legislation that had been introduced nationally sin...
Robert Neill | 516 c389 (Link to this contribution)
I understand and sympathise with the hon. Gentleman's point, but he will recognise that that is a wi...
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