Canterbury City Council Bill. Lords message (10 June) that the promoters of the Bill have leave to proceed with the Bill in the current Session according to the provisions of Standing Order 188B (Revival of bills). Debated with Nottingham City Council Bill. Motion debated and agreed to on question.
Canterbury City Council Bill
Legislative debate on Monday, 5 July 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by Julian Brazier.
The answering
member was Ed Davey.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
513 c121-43 Session
2010-12Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Nottingham City Council Bill. Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard (Vote).
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
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Tuesday, 27 November 2007
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Canterbury City Council Bill. Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard (Vote).
Tuesday, 27 November 2007
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Tuesday, 27 November 2007
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Proceeding contributions
Chris Leslie | 513 c138 (Link to this contribution)
Clearly, I look forward to the private Bills for Shipley and Bradford in due course, and I will be m...
Philip Davies | 513 c138-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I do not doubt that people in Nottingham view the issue as impo...
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Lilian Greenwood | 513 c139 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to say a little more about why the Bill is necessary in Nottingham city—not all Members...
Speaker | 513 c139 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am learning quite a lot about the geography and high streets of south Nottingham, and that ...
Philip Davies | 513 c137 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an excellent suggestion, as he often does. I certainly would not want to challe...
Julian Brazier | 513 c138 (Link to this contribution)
May I say that I am indebted to my hon. Friend for pointing out that particular defect? When I expla...
Philip Davies | 513 c138 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. His contribution emphasises how constructive he has been throughout...
Philip Davies | 513 c139-40 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously I accept your ruling, but the hon. Member for Nottingham South was...
Ed Davey | 513 c135 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that reference to my home town and for the point that he has mad...
David Nuttall | 513 c135 (Link to this contribution)
There has been a lot of debate about the merits of the Bills, but this evening we are considering wh...
Ed Davey | 513 c135 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend does not surprise me. His point however shows the need for careful scrutiny of the le...
Ben Gummer | 513 c135 (Link to this contribution)
In answer to an earlier intervention about the pedlar of Swaffham, my hon. Friend referred to Robin ...
Ed Davey | 513 c134 (Link to this contribution)
My hunch is that those who considered that legislation did not have the issue of pedlars at the fore...
Chris Heaton-Harris | 513 c134-5 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the Minister that in the European Parliament there was no debate on whether pedlars fell wi...
George Freeman | 513 c137 (Link to this contribution)
While my hon. Friend is on the subject of things that have changed, does he agree that one of them i...
Philip Davies | 513 c136-7 (Link to this contribution)
In the previous debate my hon. Friend the Member for Cities of London and Westminster (Mr Field) sai...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 513 c136 (Link to this contribution)
I do not wish to delay proceedings, so I will be very brief. The Canterbury and Nottingham Bills wer...
Ed Davey | 513 c135-6 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will know that the procedures for private Bills are unique and somewhat different...
Peter Bone | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention; I was actually coming round to that view mysel...
Peter Bone | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that helpful intervention. Had he been a Member of this...
Christopher Chope | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend think that Nottingham city council has indicated tonight through its Members of ...
Chris Leslie | 513 c141 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman cannot be distinguishing between the Nottingham and Canterbury Bil...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that those in Nottingham would be very happy to have further discussion and to approach th...
Peter Bone | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for my hon. Friend's intervention. The interventions from the Nottingham Members ...
Philip Davies | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I hope my hon. Friend agrees that we might allow Nottingham the same benefit as that given to Canter...
Peter Bone | 513 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Lady for that most helpful intervention.
Ed Davey | 513 c130 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Nottingham South (Lilian Greenwood) on her speech; several Member...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c130 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for asking that question. Unfortunately, I do not have the full ...
Peter Bone | 513 c130 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her speech; she is attracting me towards her point of view. Howev...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c129-30 (Link to this contribution)
As I have said, I do not wish to prevent peddling. Obviously, it is great news to hear that people c...
Julian Brazier | 513 c132 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the problem that all markets are ultimately based on property laws? There is a finite number ...
Ed Davey | 513 c132 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has made a valid point. I have sought in my remarks to make a distinction between str...
Claire O'Neill | 513 c131 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, can the hon. Gentleman assure the House that whatever the outcome of tonight's debate...
Ed Davey | 513 c132 (Link to this contribution)
I am sympathetic to what my hon. Friend has said, although I should say that hon. Members have calle...
George Freeman | 513 c131 (Link to this contribution)
I am conscious that this question really requires the presence of my hon. Friend the Member for Sout...
Ed Davey | 513 c131 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I was not aware of the pedlar of Swaffham, but I was aware of some ...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c127 (Link to this contribution)
I will be more than happy to provide a few words of explanation about why Nottingham city believes t...
David Nuttall | 513 c128 (Link to this contribution)
There is another point, apart from the number of new Members. I understand that in the previous Parl...
Christopher Chope | 513 c127-8 (Link to this contribution)
Fortunately, we have until 11 pm, so there should be plenty of time for the hon. Lady to contribute ...
David Nuttall | 513 c129 (Link to this contribution)
Has the hon. Lady done any sort of research among people who have street trading licences to see how...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c129 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question. I can speak only anecdotally in saying that that is not...
Christopher Chope | 513 c129 (Link to this contribution)
Would it surprise the hon. Lady to know that the founder of Marks and Spencer started off as a pedla...
Christopher Chope | 513 c128 (Link to this contribution)
That is another good question. I am put on the spot by my hon. Friend. I am not sure whether the Bou...
Ben Gummer | 513 c128 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to ask a question that might have been dealt with in detail in the previous Parliament, b...
Christopher Chope | 513 c128-9 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has a charming way of making me feel totally inadequate, because, despite detailed sc...
Christopher Chope | 513 c126 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will recall that there was quite a lively debate in the previous Parliament about the...
Peter Bone | 513 c126 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that a new aspect has come to light, and that we ought to consider it befo...
Philip Davies | 513 c126 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my hon. Friend will give some thought as to whether he will take different approaches to...
Christopher Chope | 513 c126-7 (Link to this contribution)
If there were a batting order of unpopularity, Nottingham city council would be top of the league as...
Ed Davey | 513 c126 (Link to this contribution)
There might well be an issue relating to the services directive that we need to take into account, a...
Christopher Chope | 513 c126 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for that intervention. I shall not refer back to exactly what was...
Peter Bone | 513 c127 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is generous. Before I make up my mind whether to support the revival of either Bill, ...
Christopher Chope | 513 c127 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. My hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury went into enormous d...
Chris Leslie | 513 c127 (Link to this contribution)
As a proud Member for Nottingham East, I can assure the hon. Gentleman that I am very much in favour...
Peter Bone | 513 c124 (Link to this contribution)
I just wish to get this point clear in my mind. This is now in the other place, so we may now have o...
Christopher Chope | 513 c124 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is that that would kill the Bill.
David Nuttall | 513 c124 (Link to this contribution)
If this is going to be the end of the consideration of these Bills in this place, does that mean tha...
Christopher Chope | 513 c124 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very potent point, and the short answer to his question is yes. One of the ex...
Claire O'Neill | 513 c124 (Link to this contribution)
I want to reiterate the point. I, like many new Members, perhaps had an impression of pedlars as peo...
Christopher Chope | 513 c125 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for a splendid contribution, and I can see that developing into a ma...
Christopher Chope | 513 c125 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point, which was discussed in the last Parliament in the context o...
Philip Davies | 513 c125 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that, when considering whether the Bills should be revived, we should also...
Christopher Pincher | 513 c132 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend mentioned British pedlars, but I would like him to consider the question of European ...
Speaker | 513 c132 (Link to this contribution)
Order. On the subject of reality, I should say that the reality is that the erudition of that interv...
Ed Davey | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
In a former life, you would have enjoyed such an intervention, Mr Speaker, as you were renowned for ...
Christopher Chope | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister sum up the interaction of clause 4 in the two Bills—provisions on street trading a...
Ed Davey | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
We will give some detail on that when we publish our consultation. I do not wish to prejudge the fin...
Ed Davey | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
Many hon. Members have come to the Chamber tonight to listen to the hon. Gentleman and the hon. Memb...
Peter Bone | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister concludes his opening remarks, will he reflect on the fact that quite a number o...
Ed Davey | 513 c134 (Link to this contribution)
Let me reassure my hon. Friend that my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Business, Innova...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 513 c133 (Link to this contribution)
Is not there always an argument for more regulation and laws, and for taking away the liberty of the...
Chris Heaton-Harris | 513 c134 (Link to this contribution)
I was taken aback by the point that the Minister made about the services directive. I was a Member o...
Christopher Chope | 513 c123-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am disappointed at my hon. Friend's response, but not surprised; a lot of time has been spent in t...
Christopher Chope | 513 c122 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury (Mr Brazier) on introducing the revival moti...
Julian Brazier | 513 c121-2 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the opportunity to address the revival motion briefly. I shall talk mainly about Canterbur...
Christopher Chope | 513 c122 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention. The short answer is that there is no compulsio...
Peter Bone | 513 c122 (Link to this contribution)
There are a number of new Members in the House tonight who will not quite understand why councils ha...
Speaker | 513 c121 (Link to this contribution)
With this we will also consider the following motion:"That the promoters of the Nottingham City Coun...
Christopher Chope | 513 c127 (Link to this contribution)
That is wonderful—a revelation. It has taken two and a half years and a general election, but we now...
Ben Gummer | 513 c125 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborough (Mr Bone) was entirely right to point out that many peo...
Christopher Chope | 513 c125-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. So much has changed, in regard not just to the national econo...
Julian Brazier | 513 c123 (Link to this contribution)
On the first point, my hon. Friend has of course seen a copy of the letter from the Bill's promoters...
Julian Brazier | 513 c142-3 (Link to this contribution)
We have had a most interesting and entertaining debate; it has been a remarkable evening. To hear my...
Peter Bone | 513 c140-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip Davies), but after that rather lon...
Lilian Greenwood | 513 c129 (Link to this contribution)
I support the Nottingham City Council Bill, primarily because illegal street trading is a considerab...
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