Health Bill (HL). Lords Report stage second day. New clauses (Amendments 61, 66 and 70 to 72) debated and withdrawn. Amendments 46 and 47 disagreed to on division. Concluded. Bill printed as amended (HL Bill 43 2008-09).
Health Bill [HL]
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710 c550-610, 630-60Session
2008-09Legislative stage
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Earl Howe | 710 c654-5 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 72
72: After Clause 32, insert the following new Clause—
"Private health care
(1) The Hea...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c654 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that I have just heard some very good news but, because it is late and I have been...
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Baroness Thornton | 710 c658-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, given the late hour, I have just put red lines through most of my speech, and will only gi...
Lord Warner | 710 c656-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to confess my sins and to support the noble Earl’s amendment. Before doing so, I sh...
Earl Howe | 710 c655-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I bring us back to an issue that we debated in Grand Committee on an amendment tabled by t...
Lord Judd | 710 c650-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad that the noble Baroness, Lady Tonge, made the remark at the end of her intervent...
Baroness Stern | 710 c648 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, once again the amendment comes from a report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights. It is...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c648-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendment 71, and speak also to Amendments 73 and 74 in my name and the name of ...
Baroness Stern | 710 c647-8 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 71
71: After Clause 32, insert the following new Clause—
"Guidance on charges for certain...
Baroness Meacher | 710 c645 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, want to put on the record my strong support for this amendment. In view of the lat...
Baroness Wilkins | 710 c644-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Masham, has demonstrated so clearly, the NHS is currently fail...
Baroness Stern | 710 c641 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that full reply. It was reassuring enough for me to take...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 710 c641-2 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 70
70: After Clause 32, insert the following new Clause—
"Admission of patients with spin...
Lord Palmer | 710 c639 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness very much for that full reply, and I thank the noble Lord, Lord...
Baroness Stern | 710 c639 (Link to this contribution)
Schedule 5: Investigation of complaints about privately arranged or funded adult social care
Amendm...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c632-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, seeks to put a requirement in the Bill for primary care trusts ...
Earl Howe | 710 c630 (Link to this contribution)
Schedule 4: Tobacco: minor and consequential amendments
Amendments 62 and 63 not moved.
Clause 24:...
Baroness O'Cathain | 710 c558-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, cannot support the amendment. I want to home in on the point which the noble Lord,...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c558 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very well appreciate that the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, has tabled this amendment as an a...
Lord Borrie | 710 c557-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also speak to Amendment 43. The government proposal in Clause 19—the most fundamental, s...
Lord Borrie | 710 c557 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 19: Prohibition of tobacco displays etc
Amendment 42
42: Clause 19, page 23, line 15, at en...
Earl Howe | 710 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for asking for that clarification; it was helpful to rece...
Lord Naseby | 710 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Baroness nit-picking? She must have had the representations that Members of t...
Earl Howe | 710 c554-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with this amendment we move to perhaps the most controversial part of the Bill: Part 3. Bu...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c555-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clause 18 replaces the existing exemption from the tobacco advertising ban for specialist ...
Earl Howe | 710 c554 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 18: Prohibition of advertising: exclusion for specialist tobacconists
Amendment 41
41: Clau...
Lord Naseby | 710 c564 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what consultation was there on that middle area?
Baroness Thornton | 710 c564 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have just said that one of the options was limited restrictions, or limited display.
Baroness Thornton | 710 c563 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like other noble Lords, I recognise the sentiment behind the amendments of my noble friend...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 710 c562-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, on producing these two amendments, which are w...
Lord Naseby | 710 c563 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, was there any consultation on limited display?
Lord Judd | 710 c559-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a great respect and, indeed, affection for my noble friend Lord Borrie, but on this...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c560 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said about the effect this amendment will have on yo...
Lord Naseby | 710 c560-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, who has great experience of the world of competitio...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 710 c561 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the Government’s position and not the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Naseby | 710 c573-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not going to repeat a word of what was said by the noble Earl, my colleague on the Fr...
Earl Howe | 710 c570-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we come now to the overarching issue presented by this clause and to what is, undoubtedly ...
Earl Howe | 710 c570 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 46
46: Clause 19, leave out Clause 19
Earl Howe | 710 c569 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her reply as far as it goes. I can of course see why the...
Baroness Cumberlege | 710 c574-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like my noble friend Lord Howe I am no advocate of smoking. Until recently I was a trustee...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c564-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Lord would allow me to continue my remarks, he might learn.
Most relevant he...
Earl Howe | 710 c566-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 45. Before we debate Clause 19 as a whole, I would like to...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c568-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I realise that the concept of requested display may require some clarification and I shoul...
Lord Borrie | 710 c566 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to all those who took part in this debate, despite the fact that most o...
Earl Howe | 710 c566 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 44
44: Clause 19, page 23, leave out lines 16 and 17
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 710 c579-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the contrary; there are very interesting negotiations to be had with any company prepar...
Baroness O'Cathain | 710 c580-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that the protection of children should be at the heart of this legislation, and ...
Baroness Northover | 710 c576-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose these amendments. If I were in any doubt about the Government’s proposals, that d...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 710 c577-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Northover, because I agree with every wo...
Lord Naseby | 710 c579 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the noble Lord give way?
Lord Naseby | 710 c579 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is he saying that 4 Solutions’ statement that the gantries will cost £450 and not £120, an...
Lord Rea | 710 c586 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is one point that needs to be addressed. A number of noble Lords—among them the nobl...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c584-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, last week a friend my age died of lung cancer. Two months before he died he tried to give ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c585-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, oppose the amendment for very similar reasons. I propose to speak very briefly bec...
Earl of Onslow | 710 c584 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my father died aged 57 and we always said that on the morning that he died, on the announc...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 710 c583-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is a pretty poor defence, if I may say so. If ASH really wants to be as pure as it wa...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 710 c583 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to do so because he made exactly the ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 710 c582-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think the argument put forward by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, against this clause was una...
Baroness Coussins | 710 c581 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall make two brief points in opposing this amendment and in supporting the Government....
Lord Naseby | 710 c593 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can we be quite clear that this is the 4 Solutions company of Canada, which is now quoted ...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c593 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am giving the information that we were given when we asked how much it would cost to cov...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c590-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we all knew that today would be a hard fought and passionate debate, and so it has been. T...
Baroness Barker | 710 c589-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall set out very briefly the formal position of noble Lords on these Benches and to ad...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c591-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I continue my remarks it may, perhaps, help the noble Earl, who was not here for the fi...
Earl of Onslow | 710 c591 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Baroness continues, could she possibly help me to make up my mind? By how...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c587-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am afraid that I am totally unconvinced by the retailers’ campaign. I will not repeat th...
Lord Patel | 710 c586-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I refer to two questions that came up earlier in the debate. One is whether there is any e...
Earl of Listowel | 710 c589 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to speak for half a minute before the Minister replies. As vice-chairman of the All...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 710 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I make one very brief point in the hope of winning at least two votes from the Floor of th...
Baroness Barker | 710 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House for long, not least because there is yet one more import...
Lord Cotter | 710 c593-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, those of us who are very concerned about children who smoke do not feel convinced about re...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c597 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 20: Power to prohibit or restrict sales from vending machines
Amendment 47
47: Clause 20, p...
Earl Howe | 710 c594-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very good debate. I thank those noble Lords who have taken part from which...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c594 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have taken the illicit trade of tobacco very seriously and have made great progress in ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 710 c598-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can bring your Lordships a little closer to home than the noble Lord, Lord Walton. Yeste...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c598 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will tell your Lordships a story about what happened recently in a survey in the north-e...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c597-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have heard the arguments about health for children and those against having temptations...
Lord Turnberg | 710 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a simple view of this. If one starts from the position of wanting to protect childr...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c609 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the sentiment of this amendment. The Government are fully committed to implement...
Lord Naseby | 710 c609 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister confirm that what she has stated abides by the five principles of the Be...
Baroness Northover | 710 c608-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control is an international treaty of the WHO to which...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 710 c606-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on this amendment, I am happy to follow the noble Baroness and to say that I agree with wh...
Baroness Wilkins | 710 c552 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, is speaking also to Amendment 33 then perhaps I may sa...
Baroness Barker | 710 c550-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I return to the subject of direct payments. Noble Lords who followed the Bill in Committee...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c554 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 15: Trust special administrators: Primary Care Trusts
Amendment 39
39: Clause 15, page 20, ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c553-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the break between Committee and Report has allowed me to reflect on the debate we had on t...
Earl Howe | 710 c554 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much appreciate the care and attention that the noble Lord has devoted to the point...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c553 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 38
38: Clause 13, page 15, line 8, at end insert "and of the reasons for it"
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c552-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 32, laid by the noble Baronesses, Lady Barker and Lady Tonge, would make it an e...
Baroness Barker | 710 c553 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I really am most grateful to the Minister for agreeing to look at both of these amendments...
Baroness Barker | 710 c550 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 9: Direct payments for health care
Amendment 32
32: Clause 9, page 8, line 18, leave out "a...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c651-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall respond to the three related amendments. I believe they have a common principled i...
Earl Howe | 710 c659-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I take the rap over the knuckles about the drafting of the amendment. I have to admit that...
Baroness Meacher | 710 c657-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, rise to speak to Amendment 72. It provides for the regulator, Monitor, to permit e...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 710 c647 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have supported the amendment. The problem will not go away. I ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c645-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 70, tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Masham and Lady Wilkins, and by the nob...
Lord Glenarthur | 710 c645 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy with this amendment, not least because I have had endless discuss...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 710 c642-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in Committee, this amendment had wide support from all sides, for which I am grateful. The...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c640-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend, Lord Dubs, who is not in his place, and the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c637-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I applaud the commitment of both noble Lords to this issue, but I am afraid I am not going...
Baroness Stern | 710 c639-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 69. These amendments have been suggested by the Joint Comm...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c637 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that will be dealt with in the review, which takes place on the price as marked in the tar...
Lord Glenarthur | 710 c637 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not anticipated playing a part in the debate on either of these amendments, but abou...
Earl Howe | 710 c634 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her reply, which was in large measure reassuring. She ac...
Earl Howe | 710 c630-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 65. In Grand Committee, a number of us raised concerns abo...
Lord Palmer | 710 c634-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since Grand Committee I have consulted widely—and indeed internationally, as I was recentl...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c635-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 67 in my name. It is a classic transparency amendment: my argume...
Lord Palmer | 710 c634 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 27: LPS schemes: powers of Primary Care Trusts and Strategic Health Authorities
Amendment 66...
Baroness Northover | 710 c610 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this provision is clearly proportionate. It is something that we have already signed up to...
Lord Patel | 710 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is on the amendment, which I strongly support. I see no reason why we carry on wit...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to have been able to thank the Minister for her reply, but I cannot. I am not...
Lord Patel | 710 c603-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my apologies, but it appears that someone has inadvertently removed my papers. My amendmen...
Lord Patel | 710 c602-3 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 21: Power to prohibit or restrict sales from vending machines: Northern Ireland
Amendments 5...
Lord Naseby | 710 c605 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much support the noble Lord, Lord Borrie. Although I shall not repeat what he has s...
Lord Borrie | 710 c604-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I express opposition to this amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Patel. In Grand Committee...
Baroness Golding | 710 c605-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly to oppose the amendment. I do not know what is worrying the noble Lor...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c610 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to make available to the noble Lord both the contents of the letter and the gui...
Lord Patel | 710 c607-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her comments, and the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, for putting he...
Baroness Northover | 710 c608 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 61
61: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—
"Guidelines for engagement with ...
Baroness Barker | 710 c606 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since the amendment stands also in my name, perhaps I might, with the leave of the noble L...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c607 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the intention behind the amendment, which is to protect children from the market...
Lord Palmer | 710 c580 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this clause has a strong whiff of the Hunting Act: I do not think that a single noble Lord...
Lord Judd | 710 c581-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the point that strikes me most forcefully in this argument is not only that we are protect...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c599-600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments would compel the national authorities in England, Wales and North...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c553 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 13: Trust special administrators: NHS trusts and NHS foundation trusts
Amendments 35 to 37
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Baroness Stern | 710 c654 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the Minister for what I am fairly convinced was an extremely helpfu...
Baroness Thornton | 710 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I take it that the noble Lord was intervening to ask a question before I sat down. I repea...
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