Planning Bill. Lords report stage debate second day.
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Baroness Hamwee | 705 c465-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 57:
57: Clause 23, page 13, line 39, after ““year”” insert—
““( ) air passenge...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c465 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his detailed reply. One can always rely on the noble Lord, Lord W...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c463-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I assume that my noble friend is talking about a project that is already over that thresho...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c463 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is most helpful, but the Minister answered in relation to an extension that took the ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c461-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an extremely interesting debate. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Taylo...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c468 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I am very grateful to my noble friend. We got in a bit of a muddle about who was ...
Lord Adonis | 705 c468 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 61 and 62:
61: Clause 26, page 17, line 16, leave out ““container”” and inse...
Lord Adonis | 705 c468 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 60:
60: Clause 26, page 17, line 7, leave out ““container”” and insert ““goods...
Lord Adonis | 705 c466-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments continue the debate that we had in Committee about the airports threshold...
Lord Adonis | 705 c469-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be moving government Amendment No. 123 in this group. It is a purely technical ame...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c468-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 63:
63: Clause 31, page 19, line 36, leave out ““or forms part of””
The noble...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c470-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 64:
64: After Clause 31, insert the following new Clause—
““Heritage
In consid...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c470 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am looking ahead but cannot find the provision quickly enough. I wonder how this fits in...
Lord Low of Dalston | 705 c474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is very little that the noble Lord left unsaid, but I add my voice in support of thi...
Baroness Whitaker | 705 c474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend’s reasonable amendment. The harm that could be done wou...
Lord Chorley | 705 c474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in Committee I spoke in support of the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Howarth. Si...
Lord Reay | 705 c475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Howarth of Newport, made an extremely powerful and reasonable argumen...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c473 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, has shown admirable persistence in seeking to persuade the G...
Lord Inglewood | 705 c473 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my support to the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, and the sentiment behind ...
Lord Judd | 705 c474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend warmly on this amendment and to make the point, which I have mad...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 705 c455 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister sits down, will he clarify something for me? If a new interconnector w...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c453-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, underground lines are covered by the permitted development procedure, so it applies to the...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c453 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is interesting that overhead lines are exempted from consideration under the Bill if th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c453 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an extremely interesting debate, and I shall attempt to answer some of the p...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c455 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend pushes us a little far from our debate. I very much welcome him to our deb...
Lord Howie of Troon | 705 c455 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hesitate to intervene before my noble friend sits down, especially on Report, when we sh...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c455 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my understanding—it is complex because it has to be consistent with the devolution settlem...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are on Report. Perhaps I can write to the noble Lord on that rather than go into an ext...
Lord Bridges | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to receive a letter from the Minister, but would he be so kind as to place a co...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with the leave of the House, I take note of what the Minister said, but the Electricity Ac...
Lord Bridges | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister answer one question on offshore wind that puzzles me? I understand that s...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry that I did not answer the fibre-optic question. My understanding is that the IP...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that wide-ranging response, but he did not address the point abou...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c456-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 53:
53: Clause 14, page 8, line 11, leave out ““add a new type of project or””...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has been of great interest to the House to hear from the Minister how sea-situated conn...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c458 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister anticipated—perhaps because I gave him a hint in an e-mail—my concern that th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c457-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad to respond to the noble Baroness on this matter. She has raised an important poi...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c458-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 54:
54: Clause 15, page 8, line 39, leave out ““or (3)””
The noble Lord said:...
Lord Greaves | 705 c459-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is the first time that I have spoken on Report so I should declare an interest as a m...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c460-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was delighted to hear the Minister express enthusiasm for the power of the tides and wav...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c461 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is also to these amendments. As the House would expect, I support my noble friend ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 705 c446 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the course now proposed by Her Majesty’s Government in this amendment is, to use Latin for...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c444 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cameron, has put very adeptly the concerns that we on these Benches h...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c444-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillington, eloquently said almost exactly what I would ha...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c440-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the cornerstone of this Bill is the national policy statements and the robust processes th...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c443-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, following discussions last week and in Committee, I formed the impression that the Governm...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c439 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report.
Moved accordingly, and, ...
Lord Adonis | 705 c439-40 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 42:
42: Clause 12, page 6, line 17, after ““may”” insert ““exercise the power ...
Lord Adonis | 705 c447 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble and learned friend Lord Boyd has made my speech for me. It answers a good number ...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c446-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I warmly welcome the government amendments, which I respectfully suggest address the issue...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his responses. He categorically said that the Air Transport Whi...
Lord Adonis | 705 c449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I said that there will be a fresh consultation in respect of any airport’s national policy...
Lord Adonis | 705 c449 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 43 to 45:
43: Clause 12, page 6, line 23, at end insert—
““(1A) But subsecti...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c450 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 47 to 51:
47: Clause 13, page 7, line 2, leave out ““review”” and insert ““c...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c448 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He clearly has a point as regards the...
Lord Adonis | 705 c448-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the consultation requirements set out in Clauses 7 and 8 are substantial. The elephant in ...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister clarify something for me, so that I understand it perfectly? Is the nobl...
Lord Adonis | 705 c449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it would need to undergo fresh consultation if the consultation that had been conducted so...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c450-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 52:
52: Clause 14, page 7, line 38, leave out ““above ground””
The noble Duke...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 705 c451-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment No. 55 concerns Clause 15, relating to the principles established under Clause 1...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c495 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Clause 80 [Single Commissioner c...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c494-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for her positive answer. I thank her for what she said an...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c495 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 86:
86: Clause 66, page 39, line 9, leave out ““the prescribed form”” and inse...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c494 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I used the word ““published”” quite deliberately. It is important that interested parties ...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c492 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have three amendments in this group. I support what underlies the amendment tabled by t...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c492-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments deals with the issues relating to the examination of applications...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c491 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 82 and 83:
82: Clause 54, page 32, line 15, after ““to”” insert—
““(a) the c...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c491 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 85A:
85A: Clause 59, page 35, line 25, leave out subsection (6) and insert—
““...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c490-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that detailed explanation. She gives me quite a lot o...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c530-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that, but I struggle to understand why it does not go in to the B...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c531-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 119:
119: Schedule 4, page 156, line 38, leave out ““applied for the order gra...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c524-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House has now emptied and there is just our select band struggling with scrutiny. Thes...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c523 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 103:
103: Clause 102, page 53, line 8, after ““relates”” insert—
““( ) written...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c528 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 111 to 113:
111: Clause 106, page 55, line 12, after ““later)”” insert ““the...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c528 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will take the Clause 49 representations first. I take the point. I am not surprised at t...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c528-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 114 to 116:
114: Clause 107, page 55, line 31, after ““(2)”” insert ““or (2A...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c529 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 118:
118: Clause 113, page 58, line 7, at end insert ““and is required to faci...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c529 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 117:
117: Clause 110, page 56, line 28, after ““107(2)”” insert ““or (2A)””
O...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c529-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness has come back with Amendment No. 118, which seeks to ensure that the gr...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c503 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c498-502 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very pleased to have the opportunity to address these issues, and I am sorry that the...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c498 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I enthusiastically support the amendments. The noble Viscount used some very important ter...
Viscount Colville of Culross | 705 c496-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 89:
89: Clause 92, page 48, line 3, after ““representations”” insert ““and cal...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c496 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 87:
87: Clause 80, page 43, line 41, leave out ““the prescribed form”” and ins...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c503 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 92:
92: Clause 93, page 48, line 35, leave out ““, exceptionally,””
On Questi...
Viscount Colville of Culross | 705 c502-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House, and probably the public at large, will be greatly enlightened by what the noble...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c502 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am thinking aloud—I think that is allowed at the Dispatch Box now and again—but the vexa...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c502 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister make a distinction between the procedural matters of allowing examinatio...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c503 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 98 and 99:
98: Clause 100, page 52, line 18, leave out second ““or””
99: C...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c503 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 94:
94: After Clause 99, insert the following new Clause—
““Legal advice and a...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c542 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned.
Moved accordingly, a...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c541 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the serious point is to ensure that proper consideration is made of the matters before dec...
Lord Adonis | 705 c541 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to labour the point, but it goes to the heart of the clause. The problem is tha...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c542 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment has been justified and we have had a full and persuasive explanation of the ...
Lord Adonis | 705 c542 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can give that assurance. It is important that the IPC can use powers under Clause 118(5)...
Lord Adonis | 705 c541 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with respect, the onus ought to be on the noble Lord to cite such an example to me. Our ca...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c541 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can only respond by declaring touché. I thought that with their expertise the Government...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c541 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord has given a clear explanation of what I would call the obvious examples whe...
Lord Adonis | 705 c540 (Link to this contribution)
This variation was required in order to be able to provide the modernisation and extension of Thames...
Lord Adonis | 705 c536-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, here, as so often on the Bill, my noble friend Lady Andrews and I feel ourselves pulled in...
Viscount Colville of Culross | 705 c536 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, tell us who, under his Amendment No. 121G, is to say w...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c534-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 121A to 121G and 121J in this group, which cover what we ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c534 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my Amendment No. 121 is quite properly grouped with my noble friend’s Amendment No. 120. I...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c532-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 120:
120: Clause 118, page 61, line 21, at end insert ““with the consent of th...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 705 c475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the logic of this amendment is irresistible. It is in line with many prior policies that w...
Lord Cobbold | 705 c475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my name in support of this amendment for the reasons that have been expressed by all...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c475-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened closely to what noble Lords said. We have returned to a topic that has been ass...
Lord Bradshaw | 705 c482 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin. I know from personal experience...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c482-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. I moved a similar amendment in Committee that related only...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c483 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I recall introducing some years ago a debate about the use of the splendid buildings at Gr...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c479-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I warmly thank all noble Lords who have spoken. This has been an impressive debate and I h...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c480 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 65 and 66:
65: Clause 32, page 20, line 1, after ““Act”” insert ““(except in...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c480 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 68 and 69:
68: Clause 35, page 22, line 16, leave out ““one or more of the f...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c480-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 69A:
69A: Schedule 2, page 151, line 24, at end insert—
““Planning and Compuls...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c483-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to add my ha’penny-worth to this amendment. My noble friend raises an important poi...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c486-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as always, I am extremely grateful to other noble Lords who joined in the debate and suppo...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c489 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support one aspect in particular of Amendment No. 81D, which would extend the right of e...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 78:
78: Clause 47, page 27, line 11, leave out ““development”” and insert ““ap...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 80 and 81:
80: Clause 47, page 27, line 25, leave out paragraphs (b) and (c)...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 73 and 74:
73: Clause 43, page 26, line 2, leave out second ““or””
74: Cla...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 76 and 77:
76: Clause 46, page 27, line 4, leave out ““subsection (1) of””
...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 70:
70: Clause 37, page 24, line 6, leave out from second ““report”” to end of...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c487 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 72:
72: Clause 42, page 25, line 27, leave out subsections (2) and (3)
On Que...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c489-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope I can give both my noble friends sufficient assurance on the points raised by the a...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c494 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not at all surprised that the noble Baroness rose to her feet at that point. There ar...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c483 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment and indeed tabled a similar one in Committee. As other noble Lord...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c466 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find this amendment rather interesting, because the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, is tryi...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c484-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall try to address comprehensively Amendment No. 69A, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Je...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c467-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that we were dealing with the unforeseeable as well as the foreseeable. I readil...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c536 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Viscount raises an interesting question, but those penalties come under by-laws,...
Lord Berkeley | 705 c488-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 81A:
81A: Clause 52, page 30, line 9, after ““surveying”” insert ““, investiga...
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