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UK Borders Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 23 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
UK Borders Bill. Lords Committee stage fifth day. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Reference

694 c115-72GC 

Session

2006-07

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

UK Borders Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 68-EN also published.
Thursday, 10 May 2007
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 694 c151GC (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister able to confirm or deny the suggestion of the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, that some 50 ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 694 c115GC (Link to this contribution) Good afternoon and welcome to the fifth day of the UK Borders Bill. There may be a Division. If ther...

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Lord Hylton | 694 c121GC (Link to this contribution) Since the Official Opposition are so bashful, I shall go next.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c128GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Judd, seeks to withdraw his amendment, perhaps I may first thank the Min...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c145GC (Link to this contribution) The particular wording applies to all of the exceptions in Clause 32(7), and is intended to ensure t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c161-2GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to be able to give the noble Earl an answer because he is trying to make a fair point. ...
Lord Judd | 694 c152-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause— ““Detention by the S...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c151GC (Link to this contribution) On the noble Lord’s first point, Clause 35(2) requires the Secretary of State to detain a person onc...
Lord Judd | 694 c118-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51: 51: Clause 30, page 16, line 8, at end insert— ““(5) Where there are reaso...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c116-7GC (Link to this contribution) At present, there is no specific offence of assaulting an immigration officer. Assaults on immigrati...
Earl of Listowel | 694 c126GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister for not having made myself clear. I did not really want the Minister to ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution) I think I know the case to which the noble Earl is referring. I believe that the person was charged ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c121GC (Link to this contribution) As I have explained before, it is for the convenience of the House that the opposition spokesman sho...
Lord Judd | 694 c129-30GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his very courteous and characteristically full reply to this interesting de...
Lord Henley | 694 c137GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, explained, Amendments Nos. 53 and 56 restore some of the discretion...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c135GC (Link to this contribution) I want us to move on. I do not want to detain the Committee but will happily write to the noble Lord...
Lord Avebury | 694 c136-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: Clause 31, page 16, line 23, leave out ““is”” and insert ““shall be pr...
Lord Judd | 694 c144GC (Link to this contribution) That last intervention by the Minister is at least a marginal encouragement. My noble friend sometim...
Lord Hylton | 694 c144GC (Link to this contribution) This enables me to raise a small point in Clause 32(7), which says that an exception, "““does not pr...
Lord Avebury | 694 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that it was claimed in the case of the young man in the Shetlands that Article 8 did ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c140-1GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Judd. In decidin...
Lord Avebury | 694 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Judd, replies, I point out that the Minister has not dealt with an extre...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I will consider it, but whether I will agree is another issue. I will give it some thought.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c147GC (Link to this contribution) I am entirely at one with the intention behind the amendment. Indeed, one could argue that it would ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c146GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment requires the notice of intention to deport to be made within three months of the end o...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c144GC (Link to this contribution) The exception is there to protect those who may have been suffering from some mental ill health at t...
Lord Hylton | 694 c171GC (Link to this contribution) There are two minutes to go. I question whether Clause 50 is necessary and whether it ties the hands...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c172GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is testing me; I do not have an answer to his question. I think that he will have to ...
Lord Hylton | 694 c157GC (Link to this contribution) I support everything that has been said so far on this group. I particularly pick out Amendment No. ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c159-60GC (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute, as ever, to my noble friend Lord Judd for his diligence and passion on these issues. ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c157-9GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No. 63 to which I have added my name. I thank both UNICEF UK and ECPAT UK for th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c160GC (Link to this contribution) That is a reasonable question. Cases of families with children in detention are referred to the Mini...
Earl of Listowel | 694 c160GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister know how many of those children had previously been detained? Can he indicate whet...
Lord Avebury | 694 c170GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, I wish to clarify that when he says that he does not wish to lose the...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c168-70GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect that this will be the last group of amendments we discuss this evening. I express my grati...
Lord Avebury | 694 c166-8GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness wants the chief inspector to have the power to investigate individual cases, but ...
Lord Judd | 694 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Avebury and Lord Hylton, for their interventions on this...
Lord Avebury | 694 c148-9GC (Link to this contribution) We have just been talking about how the Secretary of State can continue to detain a person after the...
Lord Hylton | 694 c151GC (Link to this contribution) I may have misheard the Minister, but I thought he said that something in this clause obliged the Se...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c151GC (Link to this contribution) I am advised that the noble Lord’s statistics are not far off; they are about right.
Lord Avebury | 694 c151-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for the explanations that he has given, but will he look again at hi...
Lord Avebury | 694 c117-8GC (Link to this contribution) Obviously I have no option but to withdraw my objection to the clause, because that is how the proce...
Lord Hylton | 694 c116GC (Link to this contribution) I fail to see why such assaults on immigration officers could not be dealt with under normal crimina...
Lord Avebury | 694 c119-21GC (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute again to the noble Lord, Lord Judd, on his remarkably assiduous work on the Joint Comm...
Earl of Listowel | 694 c122GC (Link to this contribution) During a meeting two weeks ago with the Director of Public Prosecutions about trafficking, an exampl...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 694 c121GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment. I also reinforce the suggestion made by my noble friend Lord Avebu...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c132-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, as this debate gives us a chance to focus a little at...
Lord Hylton | 694 c132GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment because I am concerned that Clause 31(1)(b) simply says, "““who is convicte...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c130GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Judd, has come to the end of his peroration but he makes an extremely important...
Lord Judd | 694 c130-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for that intervention. Of course, this applies also to adults. W...
Lord Judd | 694 c130GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I thank the noble Lord for making that point. The observations of the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c133-4GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that the list of offences defined under Section 72(4)(a) is constantly changing, a...
Lord Avebury | 694 c135GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that supplementary remark. He said in the first part of his remark...
Lord Avebury | 694 c134GC (Link to this contribution) I am very surprised to hear the Minister say that fraud and counterfeiting cannot attract a sentence...
Lord Avebury | 694 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may not think so but the courts which have to interpret these Acts may find difficult...
Lord Judd | 694 c139-40GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 58: 58: Clause 32, page 17, line 6, leave out ““conviction”” and insert ““the ...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 694 c141-2GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment. During the previous day in Committee, we discussed how we establish the ag...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c142-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for raising the issue. I think that I will disappoint him, but I do...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c146-7GC (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with the noble Lord, Lord Hylton. I support the amendment, but perhaps for complete...
Lord Judd | 694 c145-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59: 59: Clause 33, page 17, line 42, leave out ““at a time chosen by the Secre...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c145GC (Link to this contribution) I am a bit concerned. I do not entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, on this, but I see w...
Viscount Simon | 694 c172GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c170GC (Link to this contribution) That was a very helpful final question from the noble Lord, Lord Avebury. As ever, I shall read with...
Lord Avebury | 694 c160GC (Link to this contribution) The rigorous and frequent review includes reference to the Minister at certain points, does it not? ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c160GC (Link to this contribution) How many times has the Minister not agreed to continued detention?
Earl of Listowel | 694 c155-7GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 63 and 64 in this group are in my name. Amendment No. 63 deals with record keeping. ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c165-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67: 67: Clause 47, page 26, line 30, leave out subsection (4) and insert— ““(4...
Earl of Listowel | 694 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that lengthy and helpful response. On the keeping of records, to which the ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c162GC (Link to this contribution) Having visited Dungavel myself, I endorse the chief inspector’s comments, but that was not the estab...
Lord Avebury | 694 c154-5GC (Link to this contribution) I reiterate my thanks to the Minister for his helpful letter of 19 July in which he goes into a cert...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c149-51GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for raising those issues. Clause 35 gives the Secretary of State the...
Lord Avebury | 694 c115-6GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder what we shall do on wet Monday afternoons for the rest of the summer when we no longer have...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c124-6GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that there is a great deal of difference between Members of the Committee on how we v...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c127-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am not going to express a general view on this, because it would be unwise to do so. One has to lo...
Lord Hylton | 694 c121-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued to know what line the Conservative Party is taking on this important amendment which ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 694 c122-4GC (Link to this contribution) I shall also speak to Amendment No. 65, which is tabled in my name. Noble Lords have tended to conc...
Lord Avebury | 694 c131-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: 52: Clause 31, page 16, line 16, leave out ““12 months”” and insert ““two ...
Earl of Listowel | 694 c128-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was grateful for the Minister’s reply to my concerns and for the comments of the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c134GC (Link to this contribution) Only if the sentence is activated; in other words, if a person is sent to prison by the court. The ...
Lord Avebury | 694 c134GC (Link to this contribution) The second question was whether a person who is given a suspended sentence of imprisonment for any o...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c134GC (Link to this contribution) I can confirm the noble Lord’s first observation about the number of offences covered by the section...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c134-5GC (Link to this contribution) I made a note to refer to that, which I did not do. I was interested in that line of argument, altho...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c137-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. Clause 31(5) places an oblig...
Lord Hylton | 694 c141GC (Link to this contribution) This is an important amendment, because the Bill does not take account of the delays that can occur ...
Lord Hylton | 694 c146GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. Earlier in Committee, I expressed the hope—which has not so far been satisf...
Viscount Simon | 694 c171GC (Link to this contribution) The Question is that Clauses 50 to 55 be agreed to.
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 694 c157GC (Link to this contribution) These are clearly crucial matters. A report on what is happening is a good way of following the fact...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c160GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is testing the edge of my knowledge of detention periods. My understanding is that th...
Lord Judd | 694 c164-5GC (Link to this contribution) First, I am very grateful to all those who have participated in the debate. The more I have sat on t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution) I do not have a response to that point, except to say that the inspector made some positive comments...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 694 c170GC (Link to this contribution) The intention is that she will continue to inspect the detention estate.

Subjects

Children
Asylum
Detainees
Crimes against the person
Age
Finance
Human rights
Immigration controls
Immigration
Human trafficking
Migrants
Immigration officers
Offenders
Protection
Powers
Prisoners
Victims
Dungavel House Immigration Removal Centre
Yarl's Wood Immigration Removal Centre
Border and Immigration Agency

Legislation

UK Borders Bill 2006-07

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