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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 16 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 89 to 105 agreed to. clause 106 under consideration. Part 1 of 2 records.

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2006-07

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Department for Communities and Local Government

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Greaves | 694 c25-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204CF: 204CF: Clause 89, page 59, line 12, leave out subsection (7) The noble...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c25 (Link to this contribution) Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. House in Committee accordingly. [The CHAIRM...

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Baroness Hamwee | 694 c30 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has raised an extremely important point. What he did not refer to, but which I would...
Lord Greaves | 694 c29-30 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204CJ: 204CJ: Clause 95, page 61, line 15, leave out subsection (5) The noble...
Lord Greaves | 694 c31-2 (Link to this contribution) I am again grateful, though a little more tentatively than I was on the previous amendment. A lot of...
Lord Greaves | 694 c28-9 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for a great deal of what the Minister has said, some of which is very useful clar...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c27-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, for the manner in which he has spoken to these amendments and ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c32 (Link to this contribution) We are coming back in October. I regard October as being in the autumn. Any later than October is wi...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c32 (Link to this contribution) I would be happy to. We expect the guidance to be ready by the autumn, so we hope that we are talkin...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c34 (Link to this contribution) If we are talking about devolution, we certainly support the idea put forward by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 694 c36 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I sit here baffled—interested, but baffled—at the minutiae that are covered by the term ““...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c34-6 (Link to this contribution) We may not have a meeting of minds on this. We understand the strength of the arguments put forward ...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c38 (Link to this contribution) Is my noble friend speaking to Clause 101 stand part?
Lord Greaves | 694 c38 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204CT: 204CT: Clause 100, page 64, line 16, leave out ““or 90”” The noble Lor...
Lord Greaves | 694 c37-8 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the Minister is as excited as I am. Some fundamental principles are at stake here. At...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c36 (Link to this contribution) I was talking about certainty in the process towards devolution. One is of course taking risks with ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c38 (Link to this contribution) I beg the Committee’s pardon. I will keep going and the Minister can reply when we reach the right p...
Lord Greaves | 694 c38 (Link to this contribution) I am indeed. Am I speaking to the wrong thing?
Baroness Andrews | 694 c72-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my noble friend’s intervention because there is a danger of making a meal of this,...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c73-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is saying what we want to hear, so why can the Bill not be drafted in such a way ...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) My name is added to Amendment No. 208. I wish to speak also to Amendments Nos. 209BA and 211C. The ...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c72 (Link to this contribution) I intend to withdraw my Amendment No. 211 from this group because it is substantially different in n...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c77 (Link to this contribution) I am reassured by the Minister’s image of a cuddly Secretary of State, with which she started her ex...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c74-6 (Link to this contribution) I have not said anything about not accepting or accepting amendments. The noble Lord has asked me to...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 694 c76 (Link to this contribution) We have been in this situation before. Many people want the responsibility for doing things but ulti...
Lord Greaves | 694 c69-70 (Link to this contribution) I made the Government think a little about the difficulties and that’s okay. I thank the Minister fo...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 208: 208: Clause 106, page 68, line 3, leave out sub-paragraph (i) and insert—...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c69 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is arguing that NHS trusts and foundation trusts should be named as partners for all ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c66 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that will help. We still have the issue of the status of the public body. Howeve...
Lord Greaves | 694 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) To pursue the matter of the housing market renewal set-up, I must admit that I do not know what the ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c67 (Link to this contribution) I hope I am not repeating myself completely, but housing market renewal pathfinders are non-statutor...
Lord Greaves | 694 c67 (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that I should make a specific declaration of interest. I am the housing market renew...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c67 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the noble Lord’s sins are so great.
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps not. Earlier in the passage of this Bill, the Minister referred to this part of the Bill ab...
Lord Greaves | 694 c68 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204J: 204J: Clause 106, page 67, line 15, after ““area”” insert ““or who provi...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) We shall come on to those elements of debate under later amendments. Let me just reassure the noble ...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c66 (Link to this contribution) We have been talking about housing. Amendment No. 207, which my noble friend Lord Hanningfield and I...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c77 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House be resumed. In doing so, I suggest that the Committee stage b...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c46 (Link to this contribution) I knew of the NALC situation because, as I suspect is obvious, I work closely with it and with the E...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c44 (Link to this contribution) I want to reiterate what the noble Baroness, Lady Scott, said, because, generally, the districts do ...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) First, I declare an interest as the chairman of the executive board of the North West Regional Assem...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 694 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) This is a good amendment, but I am not going to support it. It is good because it raises issues whic...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c46-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204F: 204F: Before Clause 105, insert the following new Clause— ““CHAPTER A1 T...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) We have had an important debate. The unifying theme running through it is that decisions must be tak...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her answer and the noble Lords, Lord Graham and Lord Smith, and the noble B...
Lord Greaves | 694 c41 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister and I look forward to seeing her reply when I get back from holiday. ...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c41 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we are going to be any more enlightened this afternoon on these points, therefor...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 694 c42 (Link to this contribution) In an area divided into sub-areas, ultimately someone has to be the boss. As far as reviews are conc...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204DA: 204DA: Clause 104, page 66, line 8, leave out from ““England”” to ““or”...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 694 c42-3 (Link to this contribution) That means that the amendment would give it to both the district and the county council. That seems ...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c42 (Link to this contribution) At the moment, it is the Secretary of State who calls the shots; the Bill proposes that districts sh...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c43 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to intervene, but I feel rather provoked by the noble Lord, Lord Graham, to point...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c43 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords for their interventions and for the manner in which the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c43-4 (Link to this contribution) If we are going to improve three-tier working, the reviews should be carried out in that way. In Bra...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c44 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for enlightening me, but this is where we very much disagree with hi...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c62 (Link to this contribution) It would certainly be in the interests of the university to co-operate and of the local authority to...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c64 (Link to this contribution) Those 13 will have been working already with their local area agreements and will be reflecting the ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c64 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talked about ““it””. In Lancashire, there are 13 of them. I do not quite understand how...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c64 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Morgan is the expert on the Sustainable Communities Bill, so I shall have to ta...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c64 (Link to this contribution) The Minister spoke earlier about the Sustainable Communities Bill. I was discussing rural post offic...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c63-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly write to the noble Baroness to explain the legal relationships and the delegation ...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c63 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the Minister did that, because, as I understand it, the probation trusts have...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c63 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, it is a purely legislative problem. The Secretary of State has to delegate to th...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) I refer the Minister back to probation trusts. I understood her to say that the Offender Management ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 694 c65 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene in this way late in this discussion, which has been very helpful and has cov...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c58 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Hanningfield and I have attached our names to Amendments Nos. 206 and 207, but ...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 205, in this group, is tabled in my name. I agree strongly with the noble Lord, Lord G...
Lord Greaves | 694 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 207 probes two points. First, this is one of a number of opportunities in this part...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c59 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 206, 207 and 209 are tabled in this group. Amendments Nos. 206 and 207 originated fr...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c54-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right that this is an important part of the Bill. I am grateful to him ...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c54 (Link to this contribution) We would find some difficulty in supporting the amendment, although I hear how carefully the noble L...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c57 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204HA: 204HA: Clause 106, page 67, line 14, after ““other”” insert ““public se...
Lord Greaves | 694 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) I am not reassured at all, I am afraid, for which I apologise to the Minister. However, the system t...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c60-2 (Link to this contribution) This is an important part of our debate. I hope to go some way to explaining how local area agreemen...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c62 (Link to this contribution) What might happen if a target in a local area related to crime and disorder and it was known that th...
Lord Greaves | 694 c41 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention by my noble friend, who occasionally shows why she is a lawyer. ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c40 (Link to this contribution) I spoke to this in another grouping a few minutes ago, and I look forward to the Minister’s reply.
Lord Greaves | 694 c40 (Link to this contribution) I think that explains the bit of the Bill which I was not seeking to delete because it seemed to me ...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c40-1 (Link to this contribution) When I read this clause, I wrote against it, ““belt and braces””, but it is more than that. It is pe...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c40 (Link to this contribution) Clause 101 mirrors equivalent provisions in the Local Government and Rating Act 1997. It provides fo...
Lord Greaves | 694 c38-9 (Link to this contribution) I had almost come to the end of that anyhow. Perhaps I can bank it and when we get to Clause 101 sta...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c39 (Link to this contribution) I am rather glad that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has finished commenting on the clause stand part...
Lord Greaves | 694 c40 (Link to this contribution) This is an occasion on which I must read what the Minister says in Hansard. I did not understand wha...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c40 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I have a note from officials in the Box which says that the r...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c38 (Link to this contribution) It makes two of us; the noble Lord was on the same page as I was.
Baroness Crawley | 694 c30-1 (Link to this contribution) Again, I thank noble Lords for their contributions. As the Committee will know, we are developing th...
Lord Greaves | 694 c32-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204CK: 204CK: Clause 96, page 61, line 35, leave out subsection (3) The noble...
Lord Greaves | 694 c36 (Link to this contribution) I had thought that it was the Government who were trying to impose what they call certainty and that...
Baroness Crawley | 694 c44-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the noble Lord and the noble Baroness, Lady Scott of Needham Market, have enormous...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c47-8 (Link to this contribution) I find myself in the unusual position of supporting the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfie...
Lord Greaves | 694 c52-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204G: 204G: Clause 105, page 67, line 1, leave out from ““England”” to end of ...

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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