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Offender Management Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 27 June 2007, in the House of Lords.
Offender Management Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Part 1 of 2 records.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

693 c602-58 

Session

2006-07

Department

Ministry of Justice

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Offender Management Bill. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 12 June 2007
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment, to which I have added my name. It involves the substitution of ““...
Lord Northbourne | 693 c616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said that we are playing with words. I think that he is w...

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Lord Judd | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise without reservation for having jumped the gun. I repeat—although I will not do...
Baroness Stern | 693 c616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, think that words are extremely important and I support the amendment. As most nobl...
Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I spoke at Second Reading, I declared my interests as set out in the register of bein...
Lord Judd | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, why in the spirit of the whole case that he has put does ...
Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is out of order. The noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, needs to move his amendme...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her full, thoughtful and helpful reply. I am also grateful to all...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 2, page 3, line 7, leave out paragraph (c) and insert— ““(c) the ...
Baroness Warnock | 693 c619 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must rise to support the amendment. There is nothing more dreadful to a philosopher than...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support that last contribution. Courts punish and their agents enforce the orde...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to the discussion with great interest. The amendment has been discussed la...
Baroness Stern | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask him whether he is therefore in favour o...
Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am speaking to this amendment and have said that, when decisions are made in relation to...
Lord Judd | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, on reflection, is he really saying that, if part of the ...
Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fear that this is getting somewhat repetitive, but it is a fact that, when courts make d...
Bishop of Liverpool | 693 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I should say at the outset that I am not squeamish about the word...
Lord Filkin | 693 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to make a habit of interrupting when I feel that the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, ...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c630 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have followed with much interest the public service reform of the past 20 years. I was g...
Lord Warner | 693 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to understand why things are being changed. Local services have had plenty of oppo...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c629 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now see the extent to which we are debating a key issue. We heard from the noble Lord, ...
Lord Filkin | 693 c626-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret delaying my noble friend on the Front Bench but this is an important amendment on...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has put the Government’s case very well: the system is not working well, so...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c622-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I am sorry that he thinks that something so fundament...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c625-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: Clause 3, page 3, line 21, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and insert “...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c621 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, would change the drafting of subsection ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment has enabled the House to have a full discussion of the role of probation in ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c635 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am saying only that it sounds like that. Meanwhile, the Labour Benches are arguing for a...
Lord Rosser | 693 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also cannot support the amendment. I will be brief, because much has already been said i...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, has not the threat of this Bill caused a rapid increase, from 2 to10 per cent, in the farm...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c634 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would deeply wish to be able to support the amendment, but in fact I oppose it, for quit...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. While she is right that for reoff...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c635 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness makes a good point that community sentences are much more effective tha...
Lord Adebowale | 693 c630-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interestas chief executive of Turning Point, an organisation that provides se...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened with a certain amount of incredulity to what has been said because every s...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we, too, support these amendments, as we supported this important principle of local commi...
Lord Dholakia | 693 c650 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister give an undertaking that this matter will be brought back at Third Readi...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c649-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a good deal of sympathy for the amendment’s objective. I am grateful to the noble L...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 8: 8: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Model contracts (1) Th...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c648 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 6 and 7: 6: Clause 3, page 3, line 36, leave out subsection (4) and insert— ...
Lord Tordoff | 693 c648 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must inform the House that, in the second Division today, 79 noble Lords voted Content, ...
Lord Judd | 693 c647-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those who have spoken. In particular, may I say how much I value the support of th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c647 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is right: I have some experience in this area. I should have thought th...
Baroness Stern | 693 c647 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask a question as he has a lot of experienc...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c650 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very interested and glad to hear the noble Baroness mention the briefing prepared for...
Lord Hylton | 693 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the concept of having a moral contract; that can be only helpful. I would, howev...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c637-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether that makes the situation better or worse. Basket-weaving was the way...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with respect, I did not describe it as a basket amendment. I said that what was in it enab...
Lord Judd | 693 c644 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 3, page 3, line 21, after ““arrangements”” insert ““for co-operat...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c641 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an extensive debate. Of course, it is tempting to respond to each and every pe...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 693 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this interesting debate a number of noble Lords have spoken very highly of the Probatio...
Lord Rosser | 693 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether the figure is 10 per cent but my noble friend may be able to comment...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yet again, we have had a fascinating debate. I say straightaway that I certainly do not ag...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that anyone in your Lordships’ House does not support the voluntary sector....
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c645 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not going to speak on this amendment, because I did not think that there was anythin...
Baroness Stern | 693 c644-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had the great privilege of adding my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there may be some differences among us over how commissioning will work—I was reflecting o...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c653 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and I thank all those who contributed to this helpful ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c651-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Stern, that we very much value that group of activists, ...
Lord Dholakia | 693 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Charities (1) In ma...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Requirement for proba...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am instinctively concerned when I hear percentages put down because, as the noble Barone...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to Mr Paul Cavadino for meeting the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, and me last w...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recognise the desire of the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, to ensure that the voluntary sect...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c657 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham has made a very important point. I am encouraged by the hi...
Lord Dholakia | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in this short debate. I also thank the Minister ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, leave out ““3(2)”” and insert ““3”” On Que...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg tomove that further consideration on Report be now adjourned, and in moving this Mot...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c603-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to co-operate Th...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was unable to take part in the Committee stage, but I hope that noble Lords will forgive...
Lord Dholakia | 693 c606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that the noble Lord, Lord Filkin, has been harsh, he has just got hold of t...
Lord Warner | 693 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to suggest that although I am strongly in favour of all parts of the United...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c607 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Warner, has used the word ““anachronistic””...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her comments. I understand the sentiment behind th...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am aware that we shall not be detained long with this, but I rise to express my regret a...
Baroness Hayman | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has sat down, but perhaps the noble Lord wants to speak.
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intended to speak before but I was looking at my papers when the Minister rose. I entire...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c608-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to see the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, in her place. I assure her that ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c608 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke to this amendment on the previous occasion and supported the aims behind it. I agr...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not quite understand some of the comments that the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, an...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c602 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 2, line 21, at end insert— ““““prison”” includes a young o...
Lord Filkin | 693 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not for the first time in my life I find myself in strong agreement with the noble Barones...
Lord Hylton | 693 c607 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment and will vote for it if it is pressed. The amendment is necessary...
Lord Warner | 693 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, think that words are important. It is important that we also have regard to the fa...
Lord Slynn of Hadley | 693 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not regard this amendment as simply raising a question of semantics or linguistics. I...
Baroness Stern | 693 c651 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a couple of remarks on the important issues raised about contracting with the volun...
Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether it is in order to ask a question before the Minister concludes.

Subjects

Offenders
Private sector
Prisons
Probation
Voluntary organisations
Young offenders
Reoffenders
Secure accommodation

Legislation

Offender Management Bill 2006-07

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