Armed Forces Bill. Lords Third reading and debate on amendments.Debate on motion that Bill do now pass agreed to on question. Passed and returned to Commons with amendments.
Armed Forces Bill
Debate on bills on Monday, 6 November 2006,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Drayson.
The answering
member was Lord Kingsland.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
686 c598-633Session
2005-06Legislative stage
Third readingChamber / Committee
House of Lords chamberRelated items
Armed Forces Bill . As amended on Report (HL). In two volumes.
Tuesday, 31 October 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Tuesday, 31 October 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Astor of Hever | 686 c632 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister very much for the positive and helpful way in which he has approached...
Lord Boyce | 686 c632 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the outset of the Bill, my head told me that it was the right thing for us to be doing,...
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Lord Drayson | 686 c631-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass.
This has been my first experience of taking leg...
Lord Drayson | 686 c631 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 8:
Page 198, line 20, leave out ““subsection (5) of that section applies”” and...
Baroness Crawley | 686 c633 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do adjourn during pleasure, and in so moving I suggest that b...
Lord Craig of Radley | 686 c632-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have already said very briefly to the Minister how much I appreciate the way in which he...
Lord Lyell | 686 c632 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I am still in order if I thank the Minister deeply for all the help that he ha...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 686 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to what the noble Lord has said. I know that he is enormously ex...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c599-601 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:
Page 18, line 38, at end insert-
““( ) A person shall not be charged with a...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that is right. I accept the rebuke from the noble Baroness.
Lord Craig of Radley | 686 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister has said that he believes that the wording of the clause is now better. I ent...
Lord Drayson | 686 c598-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
Page 5, line 11, leave out from ““avoid”” to end of line 17 and insert ““a ...
Lord Drayson | 686 c599 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 2 and 3:
Page 5, line 21, leave out ““subsection (5) applies,”” and insert “...
Lord Kingsland | 686 c624 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke at some length in Committee about what I saw as the legal position on this matter,...
Earl Attlee | 686 c624-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. Our Armed Forces should have nothing to do with extraor...
Lord Lyell | 686 c624 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I will not be considered mischievous, but I wonder whether the noble Lord, Lor...
Earl Attlee | 686 c615 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose the amendment. First, new subsection (1) does not have sufficient flexibility to ...
Lord Astor of Hever | 686 c615 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we cannot support the amendment. I believe that it would be inappropriate and unnecessaril...
Viscount Slim | 686 c616-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I may be corrected, but while going around the apprentice college at Harrogate and the sub...
Lord Lyell | 686 c616 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Garden, presenting and explaining his amendme...
Lord Garden | 686 c619-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister will be unsurprised that I have not been reassured by his reiteration of the ...
Lord Drayson | 686 c617-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before turning to Amendment No. 6, I want to say that during our most useful debate in Com...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 686 c623-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be brief. We now know, as the noble Lord, Lord Drayson, said on 12 October, that a...
Lord Garden | 686 c622-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 7:
After Clause 359, insert the following new clause-
““FLIGHTS BY FOREIGN AIR...
Lord Garden | 686 c613-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:
After Clause 340, insert the following new clause-
““SPECIAL PROVISION FOR ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c611-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, has pointed out the gap or hole in the Bill. In response, the...
Lord Drayson | 686 c609-11 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment No. 5 would prevent civilians who are under 18 years of age from being tried bef...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c604-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord said that I was suggesting that the court-martial system was deficient. You...
Lord Drayson | 686 c602-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in our earlier debates, the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, sought to prevent this Bi...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c602 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the military in Scotland will be subject to the Bill. It will be open to the Director of S...
Lord Lyell | 686 c602 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am a near neighbour of my noble friend Lady Carnegy. There is a very well known military...
Earl Attlee | 686 c609 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remind the House of my interest as a serving TA officer. I have a lot of sympathy for th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c607-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:
Page 18, line 40, at end insert-
““( ) No civilian subject to service disci...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c605-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, certainly there were two grounds upon which the European Court held. The first was in rela...
Earl Attlee | 686 c605 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, was not the deficiency identified in our court-martial system prior to changes that we hav...
Lord Drayson | 686 c628 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will carefully read in Hansard what the noble Lord has said and reflect on whether there...
Lord Garden | 686 c628-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for going into so much detail at Third Reading, much of whic...
Lord Drayson | 686 c627-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for making that point.
A treaty whose purpose is to crimi...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 686 c628 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for giving way. Could consideration be given to my suggestion that th...
Lord Drayson | 686 c625-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall deal in some detail with all relevant issues that arise out of this amendment. Hav...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 686 c627 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the Minister not accept that a commanding officer who turned a blind eye to a person ...
Lord Boyce | 686 c625 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to approach this amendment from a slightly more practical point of view. The noble ...
Lord Inge | 686 c625 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief. I strongly support the remarks just made by the noble and gallant Lord, L...
Lord Garden | 686 c632 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join in complimenting the Minister on the efforts that he has put in to make sure that w...
Lord Astor of Hever | 686 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we also support the amendments. I thank the Minister for taking on board all the points th...
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