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Identity Cards Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 31 October 2005, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Scotland of Asthal. The answering member was Baroness Anelay of St Johns.
Identity Cards Bill. Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question and committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

675 c12-116 

Session

2005-06

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Identity Cards Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes HL Bill 28-EN also published.
Wednesday, 19 October 2005
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Soley | 675 c29-32 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much welcome this opportunity to make my first speech in this House, having served ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 675 c24 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord therefore suggesting that to safeguard information we should go back to ...

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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c21-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches oppose the Bill as it stands, and strongly. ID cards look impeccable i...
Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 675 c20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Baroness saying that all IT systems in this country do not work? I can reel o...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 675 c21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, ““No”” is the quick answer. The longer answer will emerge in Committee. I am prepared to g...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 675 c21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Baroness arguing that under no circumstances that she can foresee are identit...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c12-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time. I trust that your Lordships will ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 675 c17-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as ever, I thank the Minister for setting out the Government’s case with such care and cha...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 675 c34-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the Identity Cards Bill but first I add my voice to the complimentary re...
Bishop of Oxford | 675 c32-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a particular personal pleasure to thank the noble Lord, Lord Soley, of Hammersmith i...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c24 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, he is not. He is suggesting that, as the expert from Microsoft said, we may be inadver...
Lord Maxton | 675 c24 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord accept that banks in this country and throughout the world are gravely...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c24-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not able to comment intelligently on the noble Lord’s observation, because I was not ...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 675 c39 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the noble Lord clarify one point for me? Did people have to pay for the identity car...
Lord Waddington | 675 c36-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope noble Lords will bear with me if I start with a little bit of history. I think that...
Lord Holme of Cheltenham | 675 c39-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the first speaker from these Benches since the maiden speech of my noble friend Lord So...
Baroness Henig | 675 c41-44 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak in support of the Bill and, in doing so, deal first with issues of princip...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 675 c44-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as someone old enough to have grown up in the company of what seemed a useful and quite fr...
Lord Giddens | 675 c46-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by congratulating the noble Lord, Lord Soley, on his maiden speech. It was deliver...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a moment ago the noble Lord, Lord Giddens, said that it was not for lawyers or judges to p...
Lord Giddens | 675 c50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with respect to the noble Lord, I did not say that. I said that identity cards had to be s...
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 675 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, think that it would have been rubbish if Ian Huntley had...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is right. Nevertheless, the claim was put forward that if there was policing—just as ...
Lord Bhattacharyya | 675 c52-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is difficult to follow that. First, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Soley on a bril...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 675 c52 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is perhaps an unfortunate example because I gather that the records were not accurate...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Baroness not concede that the Bill simply refers to crime?
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c112-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it refers to crime, which is why Committee will be important. We have made it plain in the...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 675 c114 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is there a national identity register in any other western democracy?
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, other western democracies have a record of all the identity cards issued. If they did not ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. This point is germane to the rema...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have made clear the mechanism by which things are added, and we shall have an opportuni...
Lord Desai | 675 c93 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord. Perhaps the difference was not that, but that they were in a count...
Lord Desai | 675 c90-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been in favour of identity cards since way before the Labour Party came into govern...
Lord Bridges | 675 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should explain that I put my name down rather later than I should have done to speak in ...
Lord Marlesford | 675 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is pretty obvious from the debate that the Government will have a certain amount of dif...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 675 c81-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much agree with the last point made by the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, about the ...
Lord Maxton | 675 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept that there is something in that but the fact is those airlines demand such docume...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 675 c88 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to interrupt the noble Lord when he is in full flow—it was a very fascinating f...
Lord Maxton | 675 c86-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I pay tribute to the maiden speech of my noble friend Lord Soley, although he is not prese...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 675 c83-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the forbearance of the House, I will take you on a short journey of changing public a...
Earl of Erroll | 675 c66-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been thinking about this matter for a long time. I sit on the Local Authority Smart...
Baroness Walmsley | 675 c64-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the spokesman on children’s issues on these Benches, I shall address some of the issues...
Earl of Northesk | 675 c73-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by declaring my interest. I have recently accepted an appointment as a special adv...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 675 c71-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, has given us a fairly good series of reasons why the Bill is ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 675 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support this Bill. I want to speak briefly not of the logical issues, which have...
Lord Dubs | 675 c77-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish I had enough time to deal with the points that the noble Earl has made. I do not se...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 675 c59 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may respectfully remind noble Lords that we are looking to finish later than ten...
Lord Lyell of Markyate | 675 c55-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish I had the same confidence in technology as the noble Lord, Lord Bhattacharyya. When...
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 675 c61-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the House for being absent at the beginning of this debate, but I had an at...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 675 c59-61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems to me that two debates are taking place on identity cards. There is a debate on t...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I reassure the noble Earl that all those facts are being taken into account. I am sure tha...
Earl of Northesk | 675 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Baroness address the issue that I illustrated in my speech? For Heaven’s sa...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think this is the fourth intervention.
Earl of Northesk | 675 c110 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hate to be a nuisance but will the noble Baroness confirm that the International Civil A...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c110 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not say that it is unique; others say that it is. As regards the point made by my nob...
Earl of Northesk | 675 c110 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness continues, I ask her a question, which is the correct way of doi...
Baroness Seccombe | 675 c109 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall ask my noble friend Lady Anelay to answer that.
Lord Desai | 675 c109 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, will she respond to the question that I raised? Will ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 675 c109 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I always think that it is fair that, when one is challenged as I was by the noble Lord, Lo...
Baroness Corston | 675 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to make a very brief contribution to this debate. One fe...
Lord Brennan | 675 c98-100 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend on the Front Bench for not being present during her opening...
Baroness Seccombe | 675 c106-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an outstanding debate, where strongly held views have been expressed with co...
Lord Dholakia | 675 c101-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an interesting debate on this very controversial Bill. My own analysis so far ...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 675 c95-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Soley on his arrival in the House, and I welcome him. ...
Lord Marlesford | 675 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, but it will not work in that way if the biometric details on the card are used. Someone co...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 675 c93 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has obviously not understood what I attempted to convey on their behalf. I ...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 675 c110 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to correct my noble friend. I said that no common law country has an identity c...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 675 c20-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to respond to the noble Lord because obviously he did not quite catch my fi...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c110-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that we shall debate the detail of this matter in Committee as regards how the b...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 675 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suppose that I could tell the noble Baroness about the disaster that was left in 1997, b...
Lord Waddington | 675 c39 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have said that the scheme will be self-financing. People will have to pay w...
Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington | 675 c27-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may well be useful to look at the history of the past nine to 10 years regarding identi...

Subjects

Disclosure of information
Civil liberties
Data protection
Biometrics
Crime prevention
Costs
Fraud
Fees and charges
ICT
Eligibility
Immigration controls
Identity cards
Undocumented migrants
Interviews
National security
Public appointments
Privacy
Personation
National identity register
Proof of identity
Passports
Registration
Social services
Office of the Identity Commissioner

Legislation

Identity Cards Bill 2005-06

Link

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