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Racial and Religious Hatred Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 11 October 2005, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Falconer of Thoroton. The answering member was Lord Hunt of Wirral.
Racial and Religious Hatred Bill. Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question. (Part 2 of 2)

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

674 c189-280 

Session

2005-06

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Racial and Religious Hatred Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes HL Bill 15-EN also published.
Tuesday, 12 July 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP 05/1218
Wednesday, 12 October 2005
Deposited papers
House of Lords
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Corston | 674 c195-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to make my maiden speech in this important debate. I do ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 674 c191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, following the genuinely warm welcome from the Lord Chancellor and the former Lord Chancell...

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Lord Carey of Clifton | 674 c192-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the entire House will want to congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, on...
Lord Pilkington of Oxenford | 674 c195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, on an interesting maiden spe...
Bishop of Winchester | 674 c189-91 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, and the noble Lord, L...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 674 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in preparation, I read the previous 10 maiden speeches made in the House of Lords—a peculi...
Baroness O'Cathain | 674 c209 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, throughout my 14 years in this House, I have hardly ever mentioned party-political points....
Baroness O'Cathain | 674 c209-11 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, but I truly believe that the motivation for this Bill is purely party political and I ...
Lord Lucas | 674 c203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that subsequent speakers will not take the six-minute time limit seriously. This is...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 674 c201-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am against the Bill. I should perhaps explain that, while I am a member of the Secular S...
Baroness Cox | 674 c199-201 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like every other noble Lord, I strongly oppose any incitement to religious hatred, but I s...
Viscount Colville of Culross | 674 c197-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am at one with the noble and right reverend Lord, Lord Carey, in hoping that those who c...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 674 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a Race Relations Act in 1976, and two more bites at the cherry in, I think, 2001 an...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 674 c204-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak this afternoon as somebody who owned and ran two bookshops for several years. I am...
Lord Lucas | 674 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) After that, I had better keep within six minutes. I agree very much with what all those who have dou...
Lord Dubs | 674 c221-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I thought that the criticisms of the Bill that I have heard today were valid, I would n...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 674 c211-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the 20th century saw more Christian martyrs than the previous 19 centuries combined. Of th...
Baroness Flather | 674 c217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if you say something very specific it has to be answered. The Bill will stop discussion an...
Lord Avebury | 674 c217 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, because everyone is supposed to stick to six minutes. Oh, all right, carry on.
Lord Avebury | 674 c217-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness said that it would stop discussion. That has been a theme running throu...
Baroness Flather | 674 c215-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should say at the outset that it is pointless to say that the Bill will not affect freed...
Baroness Whitaker | 674 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems to me that this Bill is aimed at deterring extremes of fear and isolation. It is ...
Baroness Flather | 674 c217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Lord give way?
Lord Avebury | 674 c217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the first of the two notable maiden speeches that we have heard today, the noble Lord, ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 674 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is not at all what I said. The position is that stirring up religious hatred is not c...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Ahmed, I do not support the Government. I approach the Bill wi...
Lord Ahmed | 674 c231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful. I know not of a single mosque where there has been an authorised preaching ...
Lord Taylor of Warwick | 674 c227-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, some years ago, in 1990, as the Conservative parliamentary candidate in Cheltenham, I had ...
Lord Peston | 674 c225-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the most illiberal measure that has been brought before your Lordships in the 18 y...
Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham | 674 c223-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that this Bill is unnecessary, unpopular, unwise and certainly unclear, as the d...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 674 c231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to have heard the noble Lord’s comments, because I understood that the Governme...
Lord Ahmed | 674 c231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord. Just as in mainstream British society we have diverse opi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and I am sorry to interrupt him. He has spoken about the M...
Lord Ahmed | 674 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill is intended to give faith communities the levels of safety and security to which ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c275-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I invite my noble friend to agree that it is important that the issue of incitement is dea...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 674 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. Does he agree that such polls have centre...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c275 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for reminding me of that point. He sent me a note earlier ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c274-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since the Minister has mentioned me, I remind him that I have written to the noble Barones...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c276 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we do not have a problem with that because the circumstances the noble Lord describes woul...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c276 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall not interrupt again, but I would like a clear answer to this point. The noble Lord...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 674 c269-73 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we understand why the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland, cannot be here and we look forward to...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c273-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it falls to me, at the opening of my response, to join in the general congratulations that...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 674 c264-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to apologise to the House for speaking in an irregular fashion. I thought I would b...
Lord Dholakia | 674 c265-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an interesting Second Reading debate. I congratulate the two noble Lords who m...
Earl of Onslow | 674 c279 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Lord define a ““nutty”” religion? Some people think that all religions are ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c278-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness made that point, too, during her speech. We see it as part of a bigger ...
Lord Pilkington of Oxenford | 674 c279 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister believe that the state can adjudicate in these complicated matters? Why ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c279 (Link to this contribution) Well, my Lords, no doubt they do, and we have to respect people’s views. The noble Lord, Lord Dubs ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c279-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a case for state intervention in this field. The noble Lord, Lord Hannay, made a ...
Lord Lucas | 674 c276 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a criticism of the religion. If you say that a religion is hateful, it follows, as t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c276-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we do not have a problem with that. Perhaps noble Lords are seeing a problem that is not t...
Lord Avebury | 674 c278 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord may have overlooked my question regarding whether or not the Government wou...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 674 c278 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is for consideration on another day. I certainly do not wish to dwell on it this even...
Baroness Flather | 674 c278 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt, because I know that noble Lords would like to go home. I do not b...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 674 c253-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord understands my proposal precisely and I am very pleased that it appears to ...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 674 c255-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it had been suggested some 50 or 60 years ago that in 2005 this House would be consider...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that one of the great advantages of his proposal is that the Hou...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 674 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the night is young, I should like to spend a moment congratulating the two maiden speak...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 674 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I recall, the noble and learned Lord the Lord Chancellor at least conceded that he woul...
Lord Haskel | 674 c249-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pleasure to speak after the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Oxford. I declare...
Lord Monson | 674 c251-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, anyone who has studied the history of conflict will be aware that religious antagonisms ar...
Bishop of Oxford | 674 c247-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Desai, I support the legislation. I believe that incitement to...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 674 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other noble Lords I have experienced religious insults. I was brought up in the Glasg...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 674 c260-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that the Bill is a measure to satisfy the demands of 1 million Muslims but will ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 674 c261 (Link to this contribution) Oh, is he not? That is strange, because it is alleged that he referred in a private place to ““the e...
Lord Plant of Highfield | 674 c262-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after the excitement of the previous two speakers it is time that my stupor-inducing talen...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 674 c259 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, never mind, I am going on. This is a real, tangible, obscene curtailment of a basic libert...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 674 c259 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. He speaks so passionately about my community. Peopl...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 674 c259-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness can make that point when she makes her speech. I believe that the civil...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 674 c257-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after the events of 9/11, it became a cliché to say that the world had changed. After 7 Ju...
Lord Gould of Brookwood | 674 c259 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we do not know if it is a criminal offence but I am saying that this is a curtailment of h...
Earl of Onslow | 674 c259 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has just described a perfectly standard criminal offence which is criminal ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that there is a pending prosecution—and I shall not refer to its d...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, no, I was not aware of that and I thank the noble Lord for mentioning it. I would have pre...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble and learned Lord suggesting that under existing legislation that kind of comm...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yes, I am and the argument that the noble Lord must deal is that the statement, ““I urge y...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Lord Chancellor. Is he suggesting that someone who shouts, ““Kill all Muslims”...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is incitement. The issue that the noble Lord needs to deal with is when someone says ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again the noble Lord is not dealing with the argument: that it is not when you are threate...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble and learned Lord suggesting that inciting one’s own supporters in a public wo...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is it in order for me to intervene?
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish it were in order, because I was about to argue that the Government seem to have for...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 674 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not a great deal has been left unsaid in the debate today. One thing is clear: very few vo...
Lord Skidelsky | 674 c234-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall continue or I shall rapidly over-run your Lordships’ patience. Government spokesme...
Lord Desai | 674 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Skidelsky. I have opposed this Bill in ev...
Lord Ahmed | 674 c236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot recollect making any reference to stirring up hatred although I do recall mention...
Lord Desai | 674 c236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a better recollection. My noble friend asked me to apologise to the Muslim communit...
Earl of Onslow | 674 c236-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Desai, said that it was a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Sk...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 674 c238-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, following the noble Earl is always interesting but never easy. He mentioned in passing the...
Lord Selsdon | 674 c242-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great privilege to be among the Lords Spiritual and the Lords Temporal. Those oppo...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 674 c234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the basis of that prosecution is to deal with racial hatred, not religious hatred.
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 674 c207-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Bill will give members of all faiths equal protection from incitement to hatred on th...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 674 c240-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to address only one issue, and in doing so I hope to get through my short contribut...
Lord Chan | 674 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble and learned Lord the Lord Chancellor has stated today, the Bill proposes a ne...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 674 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise if I was unfair to him; one is not supposed to reveal conversations in the Cor...

Subjects

Incitement
Protection
Racially aggravated offences
Religion
Religious practice
Religious hatred
Religious freedom
Religiously aggravated offences
Racial hatred

Legislation

Racial and Religious Hatred Bill (HL) 2005-06

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