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Online Safety Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 17 July 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay. The answering members were Lord Stevenson of Balmacara and Lord Knight of Weymouth.
Lords report stage fourth day. Amendments 187, 189 to 191, 192 to 203, 205 to 216, 218B, 224, 227 and 230 to 236B agreed to.

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Reference

831 cc2056-2156 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill. Constitution Committee fifteenth report
Wednesday, 15 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 22 June 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill: Government response. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-eighth report.
Monday, 3 July 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

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Deposited Paper DEP2023-0652
Tuesday, 25 July 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Moylan | 831 c2056 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

186A: Before Clause 64, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Moylan | 831 cc2056-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to my Amendment 186A, I hope that noble Lords will forgive me for not speak...


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Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 831 cc2058-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 275A in this group. It would place a duty on Ofcom to rep...

Baroness Kidron | 831 cc2059-2061 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 191A in my name. I also support Amendment 186A in the name of...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2061-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make some arguments in favour of Amendment 191A, in the name of the noble Barone...

Lord Moylan | 831 c2062 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that that is already a possibility? You can bring an action in contrac...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2062 (Link to this contribution)

I am certainly aware that it is there but, again, the noble Lord has just made the point himself:...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 c2064 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly on a couple of amendments and pick up from where the noble Lord, L...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2064-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, even by previous standards, this is the most miscellaneous of miscellaneous groups. We ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc2066-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as others have said, this has been a very interesting tour d’horizon of some of the poi...

Lord Deben | 831 c2067 (Link to this contribution)

My wife, who is chairman of a number of things, objects to “chair” as “furniturism”. She likes to...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc2067-9 (Link to this contribution)

I respect the noble Lord’s point. I did not make a specific proposal; I simply asked why the Bill...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2069-2070 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me add to this miscellany by speaking to the government amendments that stand in my...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2070 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the report on a specific death, which is very welcome and part of the regime as we a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2070-1 (Link to this contribution)

We are keen to ensure that coroners have access to the information and expertise that they need, ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2071 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has not stated that there is a duty to collaborate. Is he saying that that...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2071 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, there is a duty, and the law should be followed. I am not sure whether the noble Lord is sug...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2072 (Link to this contribution)

Is there a duty to collaborate between regulators?

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2072 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I follow the noble Lord’s question, but perhaps—

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2072 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister is saying that, in practice, there is a kind of collaboration between regu...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2072-3 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will write to the noble Lord setting that out; he has lost me with his question. We b...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 831 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister; perhaps I could just check something he said. There was a gre...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to provide further detail in writing and to reiterate the points I have made as it is ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister copy other Members in?

Lord Moylan | 831 c2074 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has indeed been a wide-ranging and miscellaneous debate. I hope that since we are ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2074-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

187: Clause 65, page 62, line 18, leave out fr...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2075-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, transparency and accountability are at the heart of the regulatory framework that the B...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2077-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 247B in my name was triggered by government Amendment 247A, which the Ministe...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc2078-2081 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Allan of Hallam, hinted at the fact that there have been a plethor...

Lord Bethell | 831 cc2081-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the business of the internet is data. Whether it is a retail business, a media business...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 831 cc2083-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 270 and 272 are in my name; I thank the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson of Balmac...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc2085-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that was a very good speech from the noble Baroness, partly because I signed he...

Baroness Kidron | 831 cc2088-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I talk to the amendments I had intended to address, I will make a very narrow po...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 cc2089-2090 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with my noble friend Lady Fraser of Craigmaddie’s incredibly well-ma...

Lord Moylan | 831 cc2090-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is valuable to be able to speak immediately after my noble friend Lady Harding of Wi...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2091-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate so far has been—in the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Fox—a Committee deb...

Baroness Neville-Jones | 831 cc2092-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to reinforce what my noble friend Lord Bethell said about the amendments to...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 831 cc2094-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had an important debate on a range of amendments to the Bill. There are some ve...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2095-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their contributions in this group. On the point made b...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2097-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. That was helpful, particularly the description of the process and ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2098 (Link to this contribution)

A provider would have a right to bring a legal challenge against Ofcom if it considered that a pa...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c2098 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, to quote the way the Minister has operated throughout Report, ther...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2098 (Link to this contribution)

I had not quite finished; the noble Baroness was quick to catch me before I sat down. I still hav...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 831 c2099 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way so quickly. I think the House is asking him to indic...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2099 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to discuss this further with noble Lords, but I will reserve the right, pending t...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 831 cc2099-2100 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. My premise is that the reason Ofcom reports in a na...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

We think we can rely on Ofcom’s discretion, and point to its current practice. I hope that will r...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

I was about to say that I am very happy to write to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, about the man...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the Minister could repeat that immediately afterwards, when I will listen ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and we can point to the current actions of Ofcom to show that it is indeed doing this alread...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Harding, made the point that in other areas where the Minister has agree...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2100 (Link to this contribution)

We touched on the complexity of defining who and what is a researcher and making sure that we do ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2101 (Link to this contribution)

The benefit of having a period of time between the last day of Report on Wednesday and Third Read...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2101 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister stands up, I also wondered—

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2101 (Link to this contribution)

Sit down or stand up—I cannot remember.

I wonder whether the department has looked at the D...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2101-2 (Link to this contribution)

We do not think that six weeks is enough time for the evidence base to develop sufficiently, our ...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2102 (Link to this contribution)

Just on the timescale, one of the issues that we talked about in Committee was the fact that ther...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2102 (Link to this contribution)

I will continue my train of thought on my noble friend’s amendments, which I hope will cover that...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 831 c2103 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down—he has been extremely generous in taking interventions—I want to pu...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2103 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but I do not want to raise the hopes of the noble Lord or others, with whom I look forward t...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2103 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

189: Clause 67, page 64, line 15, leave out fr...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2103-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

190: After Clause 67, insert the following new...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2104 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

191: After Clause 67, insert the following new...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2105-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

192: Schedule 8, page 212, line 26, leave out ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2106-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

205: Clause 70, page 66, line 42, leave out su...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2107-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

210: Clause 72, page 68, line 18, leave out su...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2108 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

215: Clause 73, page 68, line 36, leave out fr...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2108-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

216: Clause 73, page 68, line 43, at end inser...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2109 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

218B: Clause 158, page 139, line 5, leave out ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2109-2110 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group relate to provisions for media literacy in the Bill and Of...

Baroness Bull | 831 cc2110-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this proposed new clause on media literacy and support the amendments in the ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc2112-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to look at how, in the Government expanding Ofcom’s duties to prioritise media l...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2113 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the government Amendments 274B and 274C. I truly welcome a more detaile...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2113-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting short debate. Like other noble Lords, I am very please...

Lord McNally | 831 cc2114-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am not surprised that my noble friend refers to his experience on the Joint Committee. He will ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2115 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend very much for that intervention.

Lord Harlech | 831 c2115 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House that, as we are on Report, interventions on current speakers should ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2115-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my noble friend with 30 years’ experience stands duly corrected. He has reminded us tha...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 831 cc2116-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government have moved on this issue, and I very much welcome that. I am grateful to...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2117-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their comments, and for the recognition from the noble...

Lord McNally | 831 c2119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, could I ask the Minister a question? He has put his finger on one of the most important...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2119-2120 (Link to this contribution)

I hope what I have said about the way that Ofsted and Ofcom are working together gives the noble ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2120 (Link to this contribution)

I do not believe that the Minister has dealt with the minimum standards issue.

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2120 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that the noble Lord was listening to that point, but I did.

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2120 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

219: Clause 158, leave out Clause 158

Member’s expl...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2120-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 158 is one of the more mysterious clauses in the Bill and it would greatly benef...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2122-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add to my noble friend’s call for us to consider whether Clause 158 should be st...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc2123-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. The danger with Clause 158 is that it discredits media literacy a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2124-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to set out the need for Clauses 158 and 159. The amen...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2125 (Link to this contribution)

We established in our last debate that the notion of a recognised news publisher will go much bro...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c2125 (Link to this contribution)

On the previous group, I raised the issue of legal speech that was labelled as misinformation and...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2126 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to make it clear, as I did on the last group, that the power allows Ofcom not to requi...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2126 (Link to this contribution)

While the Minister is describing that, can he explain exactly which media literacy power would be...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2126-7 (Link to this contribution)

It depends on the circumstances. I do not want to give one example for fear of being unnecessaril...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2127 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that more extended reply. It is a more reassuring response on Clause 159...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2127 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

224: Clause 161, page 140, line 27, leave out ...

Lord Moylan | 831 c2128 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

225: After Clause 161, insert the following new Clause—

“T...

Lord Moylan | 831 cc2128-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, continuing the rather radical approach of debating an amendment that has already been d...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc2129-2130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to this very important amendment—all the more important because of the pr...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, and the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, have a very strong point...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc2131-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, clearly, there is a limited number of speakers in this debate. We should thank the nobl...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2132-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government share the view of my noble friend Lord Moylan about the importance of tr...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c2133 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I think that it is entirely appropriate for him to say—I have hear...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2133 (Link to this contribution)

I have addressed the points made by the noble Baroness and my noble friend already. She asks the ...

Lord Moylan | 831 cc2133-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see what my noble friend did there, and it was very cunning. He gave us a very worthw...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

227: Clause 173, page 150, line 23, at end ins...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Allan of Hallam

228: Clause 173, page 151, leave out lines 1 and 2

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Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2135-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are coming to some critical amendments on a very important issue relatively late in ...

Viscount Colville of Culross | 831 cc2137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret I was unable to be present in Committee to deliver my speech about the chillin...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc2138-2140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is all quite exciting now, is it not? I can say “hear, hear!” a lot; everyone is tal...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 228. I spoke on this issue to the longer amendment in Committee. To...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. Beyond peradventure my noble friend Lord Allan...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 c2141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a good debate. It is very hard to see where one would want to take it. If...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2141-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying that accurate systems and processes for content moderation are crucia...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c2143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remain concerned that people who use more choice words of Anglo-Saxon origin will fin...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2143-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

230: After Clause 174, insert the following ne...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2144 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

231: Clause 176, page 152, line 33, at end ins...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2145 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

231A: Clause 179, page 154, line 8, leave out ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2145 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

232: Schedule 17, page 247, line 35, at end in...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c2146 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

236A: After Clause 194, insert the following n...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2146-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had some productive discussions on application stores, commonly known as “app s...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 cc2148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before speaking to my Amendment 239A, I thank my noble friend the Minister, the Secreta...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c2150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Harding, for her role in bringing this issue ...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc2150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a brief contribution because I was the misery guts when this was proposed f...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c2151 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my congratulations to the noble Baroness, Lady Harding, on her tenacity, and to t...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 831 cc2151-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will start with the final point of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. I remind him t...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2152-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful for the strength of support and echo the tributes that have been pai...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc2154-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

236B: After Clause 194, insert the following n...

Lord Harlech | 831 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move that further consideration on Report be adjourned and that the House be adjourned d...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 831 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, has the noble Lord, Lord Harlech, seen paragraph 3.1 of the Companion? In case he has n...

Lord Harlech | 831 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s points on board. I think that my noble friend the Chief Whip answered tho...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 831 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that the noble Lord is put in a difficult position, but all the Chief Whip said was ...

Lord Harlech | 831 cc2155-6 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps this is something to discuss with my noble friend the Chief Whip while the House adjourns...

Notes

Scottish and Welsh legislative consent granted.
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