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Illegal Migration Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 14 June 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Murray of Blidworth. The answering member was Lord Coaker.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 58 and 59 agreed to. (Part 1 of 3).

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Reference

830 cc1951-1989 

Session

2022-23

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Home Office

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber

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Proceeding contributions

Bishop of Durham | 830 c1951 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Durham

128B: Clause 58, page 61, line 3, at end insert—

Bishop of Durham | 830 cc1951-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee of my interests with the RAMP project and as a trustee of Reset,...


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Baroness Stroud | 830 cc1954-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 128C in my name, I shall also lend support to many of the amen...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc1955-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to follow the noble Baroness and the right reverend Prelate. Amendmen...

Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 830 cc1958-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a signatory to Amendment 128C, and I again declare my former role as an Immigratio...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 830 cc1959-1962 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to follow the noble Lord and his very interesting contribution. In many respe...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 cc1962-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 128B, 128C and 131, which all deal with an issue which is crucial ...

Baroness Helic | 830 cc1963-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to support Amendment 128C in the names of my noble friends Lady Stroud, Lo...

Baroness Ludford | 830 cc1964-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to my Amendment 129 on refugee family reunion. I am grateful for the su...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 cc1967-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendments 130 and 131, but I speak in support of all the amend...

Lord Dubs | 830 cc1968-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted that the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhope, mentioned the Bosnian scheme, becaus...

Baroness Brinton | 830 cc1969-1970 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in support of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham’s Amendment ...

Lord Green of Deddington | 830 c1970 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be extremely brief. I suggest that we look at these issues, which have now been ...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc1970-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my doubts about the term “safe and legal routes” as well. I would prefer to focu...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 cc1971-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know this is not something I say very often, certainly not in the context of this deb...

Baroness Sugg | 830 c1973 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the Government’s commitment to deliver safe and legal routes and I support Am...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc1973-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise with great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Sugg, who raised some of ...

Lord Paddick | 830 cc1975-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support all the amendments in this group. The issue of the millions displaced by war...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc1976-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another very important debate on the Bill, on safe and legal routes. We s...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1977-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, for her clarification of the statisti...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c1979 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for missing the start of this debate as I was in a committee. Will the Minister expla...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1979 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that the noble Lord was unable to be here at the beginning of the debate. I hope tha...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c1979 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the Minister’s point, but it does not answer the question that I asked: why does the...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1979-1980 (Link to this contribution)

It is because that is the structure of the legislation, and it simply makes for good parliamentar...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1980 (Link to this contribution)

This is a technical point, but it is important to reflect on it before Report. It is not a substa...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1980 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, we have considered these issues and are satisfied with the drafting as it is, but of c...

Bishop of Durham | 830 c1980 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked about “devising” new schemes; I asked for co-creation. Is he willing to go so...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1980 (Link to this contribution)

The right reverend Prelate is right to point to the fact that these things are always a joint eff...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 830 c1980 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way on that point?

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1980-1 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will forgive me, I should probably, in order to have a more coherent speech, ta...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 830 c1981 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. My intervention is pertinent to that clause. Can he...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1981 (Link to this contribution)

On the first point, I do not have that detail to hand so I will go away and find that out and wri...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c1981 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves on, I asked a question about children, which was echoed by my noble fri...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1981 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the noble Baroness to forgive me; I was going to come to that. I have met with the Children...

Baroness Stroud | 830 c1982 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend the Minister just spoke of “alternative” rather than “additional” routes. Can he ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1982 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I was simply using the word “alternative” to discuss that particular route, but there is no ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1982 (Link to this contribution)

In just a second. My noble friend Lady Sugg also spoke to this amendment.

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1982 (Link to this contribution)

My intervention is on the previous topic.

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1982-3 (Link to this contribution)

Can we come back to that at the end?

On Report in the House of Commons, my right honourable...

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1983 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me to intervene. I return to Amendment 128B and his co...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1983 (Link to this contribution)

As I say, the definition of those to be caught will be specified in the regulations. Those are al...

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1983 (Link to this contribution)

With the greatest of respect to the Minister, it is covered by Amendment 128B. It is quite explic...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1983 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Baroness says and hope to be able to offer her some more reassurance during...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c1983 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has left me a little confused about numbers. He said that it would be a terrible thi...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1984 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord omits to understand that the obligation to assist an asylum seeker is born of Sect...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1984 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly confused on this point as well. On a number of occasions, the Minister has said tha...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1984-5 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, consultation with local authorities is important—they are the primary consultee set ou...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c1985 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that the Minister’s use of the word “impact” triggered me. It would be very interesti...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1985-6 (Link to this contribution)

I recall debating these topics and the very similar text of the noble Baroness’s Private Member’s...

Lord Winston | 830 c1986 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister think that the cost should also be measured in terms of the reputation of the U...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1986 (Link to this contribution)

I clearly recognise the points the noble Lord makes—that it is believed that not providing a visa...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 830 c1987 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister should not be conflating the two amendments: they are distinct amendments with disti...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1987 (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to reading the noble Lord’s document when it arrives.

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1987 (Link to this contribution)

In due course— I am very grateful. All these questions make it clear that bringing up legal migra...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c1987 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister will reflect before Report on the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Winston....

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1987-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure the noble Lord and I actually differ on the points raised by the noble Lord, Lord W...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1988 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me, I have taken an awful lot of interventions, and I am very conscious of the time. I as...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c1988 (Link to this contribution)

I was very encouraged by the answer the Minister gave. He seems to be saying that the needs refer...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1988 (Link to this contribution)

I can certainly think about that. I will take it away, but I do not think we are terribly far apa...

Bishop of Durham | 830 cc1988-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for answering and clarifying some of the questions. My prophetic p...

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