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Illegal Migration Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. Clause 60 agreed to. New clause under consideration. (Part 2 of 3).

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830 cc2003-2058 

Session

2022-23

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Home Office

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Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 27 April 2023
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Illegal Migration Bill
Wednesday, 14 June 2023
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Illegal Migration Bill
Wednesday, 14 June 2023
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Deposited Paper DEP2023-0624
Monday, 26 June 2023
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Deposited Paper DEP2023-0632
Thursday, 6 July 2023
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Ludford | 830 c2004 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am, of course, hugely disappointed that some of our colleagues do not want to listen ...

Lord German | 830 c2004 (Link to this contribution)

On a variety of days.


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Baroness Ludford | 830 cc2004-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, when it was proposed that Clause 14 should not stand part of the Bill. My noble friend debat...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 830 c2006 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for introducing her clause stand part debate. As she said, the clause ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc2006-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to provide that reassurance and explanation. I am grateful to the noble Baro...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c2007 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for those explanations. It may be that my brain has gone to cotton...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2007 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

132: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc2008-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first of a number of proposed new clauses relating to the efficiency of the...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 cc2009-2011 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 139 in this group is in my name. This group is all about efficiency and admin...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c2011 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 139 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti. I have put...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 cc2011-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disagree with the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti. She made her case for transferrin...

Bishop of Durham | 830 c2012 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister ought to welcome Amendments 132, 134 and 135, because they simply ask for ...

Lord Kamall | 830 cc2012-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope noble Lords will forgive me that I was unable to speak at Second Reading and wil...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc2014-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lords, Lord Carlile and Lord Kerr, will be pleased with my remarks because th...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 830 c2015 (Link to this contribution)

Has it occurred to the noble Lord that there may not even be a secret plan?

Lord Coaker | 830 c2015 (Link to this contribution)

It had not occurred to me—but it has now.

The serious point is that there must be a plan. I...

Lord Scriven | 830 c2015 (Link to this contribution)

Does it surprise the noble Lord to learn that I have asked that as a Written Question, and that t...

Lord Coaker | 830 c2016 (Link to this contribution)

No, it does not surprise me that the noble Lord asked the Question. I had not noticed it, but the...

Lord Paddick | 830 cc2016-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the main problem with the broken asylum system, which appeared to be working satisfacto...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 cc2017-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken to these amendments today, and I thank all nobl...

Lord Scriven | 830 c2018 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration reports. The 20...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 c2018 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I do not have answers to the noble Lord’s questions. I will have to come back to him ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c2018 (Link to this contribution)

On the subject of impact assessments, I am sure that my noble friend meant to ask where the child...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 c2018 (Link to this contribution)

I think that that question has been asked and answered by my noble friend; I cannot update the Ho...

Lord German | 830 c2018 (Link to this contribution)

In talking about this matter, could the Minister address the issue of why the Cabinet Office has ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 c2019 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the answer lies in the words the Home Secretary used this morning in front of the Home ...

Lord Coaker | 830 c2019 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has just asserted that he cannot improve on those words. I put on the record, on beh...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 cc2019-2020 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to upset the noble Lord opposite, but that is the best I can do.

Amendment 138, ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c2020 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. He was quite right about this being a probing amendment to demonst...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 830 cc2020-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly ensure that the noble Baroness’s points are noted in the department.

Final...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2021 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the question of a secret plan or no plan, the announcement that came out the other d...

Baroness Ludford | 830 cc2021-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Ludford

133: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Ludford | 830 cc2022-5 (Link to this contribution)

I was pleased to hear the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord Kamall, who added another sensible...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c2025 (Link to this contribution)

My name is on Amendment 133, and I had planned to make a speech debunking our friend the pull fac...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 cc2025-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at an earlier stage in our debates on the Bill, I referred to the fact that I am a memb...

Bishop of Durham | 830 c2026 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 133 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford. My right rever...

Lord Cormack | 830 c2027 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I well remember a speech made on my first day in Parliament in 1970, on the Queen’s Spe...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c2027 (Link to this contribution)

I will not make the speech I was going to, because all the points I planned to make have been mad...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc2027-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, some very powerful remarks have been made in this short debate so far, some of which I ...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c2028 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to interrupt the noble Baroness as I will have a right of reply after the Minister, bu...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc2028-9 (Link to this contribution)

What the noble Baroness does through many of her contributions is argue against anybody using the...

Bishop of Durham | 830 c2029 (Link to this contribution)

There are not 5 million people out of work on benefits. Universal credit applies to large numbers...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 c2029 (Link to this contribution)

The information I have is that there are 5 million people receiving out-of-work benefits. In my v...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 c2029 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment; let me just finish the point I am trying to make. An argument on eco...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c2029 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that. Can the noble Baroness tell us what proportion of those people are not in work...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc2029-2030 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot, and I am not here to get into a detailed discussion about that. I am simply trying to m...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

I will finish my point and then I will give way. I think that some of the matters that noble Lord...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. I wonder whether she will answer th...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment, if somebody is still awaiting a decision on their asylum status or their status as...

Baroness Meacher | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not here at the start of the debate, so I am embarrassed to stand up and will be ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

Surely noble Lords can speak only if they have been present throughout the debate from the very b...

Lord Davies of Gower | 830 c2030 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is absolutely right—that is correct.

Baroness Lawlor | 830 c2031 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord may be referring to my having to rush out urgently—I needed to get a glass of wate...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c2031 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to be unkind, but the rest of us manage to persuade the door- keepers to bring us g...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 c2031 (Link to this contribution)

May I? Forgive me, I am normally somebody who is a stickler for us keeping to the Companion—absol...

Baroness Lawlor | 830 c2031 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford, for raising this interesting point and for he...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2031 (Link to this contribution)

I had not intended to say anything about this amendment, but I will say a couple of things. First...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc2031-2 (Link to this contribution)

Excuse me? Somebody said, “For God’s sake”. I do not know who that was. Okay.

I am not tryi...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2032 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry if the noble Baroness misunderstood my first comment. It was in response to ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c2032 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the noble Baroness will not mind my using her as an excuse but, on reflecti...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2032 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, shall I move on to Amendment 150? In fact, it takes us back to the previous group; I ha...

Baroness Neuberger | 830 cc2032-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 150, to which I have added my name, and indeed to all the ame...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc2033-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly only to Amendment 133, to which I would have attached my name h...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 830 cc2034-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak briefly to the two amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Coake...

Lord Paddick | 830 c2035 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support all the amendments in this group. On Amendment 133 in the name of my noble f...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc2035-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will let my noble friend the Minister respond on behalf of the Government to the noble Lord’s p...

Lord Paddick | 830 c2036 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I am not sure whether she heard the evidence provided by my ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c2036 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group all relate in one way or another to the operation of the a...

Lord Scriven | 830 c2036 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister’s assertion needs evidence. Sweden allows asylum seekers to work immediately, Portug...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc2037-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree that the evidence from the rest of Europe is any indicator of what might drive peo...

Lord Cormack | 830 c2038 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt, but my noble friend referred to 17,000 claims having been processed. How...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c2038 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have that figure to hand, but I will find out and write to my noble friend.

By tac...

Baroness Ludford | 830 cc2038-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response, although I feel that he slightly demolished ...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2039 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

136: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc2039-2040 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 136 is one of a series of amendments we have tabled on the criteria that shou...

Lord Swire | 830 cc2040-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a more sensitive soul might be somewhat disheartened, having sat here for a large part ...

Lord Garnier | 830 c2041 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow my noble friend since I too am a signatory of this amendment. I thank him for ...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc2041-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Swire, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Garnier, that...

Baroness Ludford | 830 cc2045-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly to Amendment 137, which I was pleased to co-sign, as the noble Lord, Lord Co...

Baroness Meacher | 830 cc2046-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly, but I hope strongly, to support Amendment 139FB tabled by the ...

Lord Paddick | 830 c2047 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for any confusion. Normally, the Labour Front-Bencher would be the last spe...

Lord Coaker | 830 c2047 (Link to this contribution)

Just to show how it can be done: may I just say that the noble Lord might have a point?

Lord Paddick | 830 c2047 (Link to this contribution)

High praise indeed from the noble Lord, Lord Coaker.

We also support Amendment 139F and Ame...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 cc2048-2050 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see that the right reverend Prelate is absent from this place and not here to witness...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c2049 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful for what the noble and learned Lord has said, but he may have overlooked that ...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c2049 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister confirm whether he agrees with the analysis of the Northern Ireland Human Righ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Hannay, from the Cross Benches, submitted my use of the verb “require” to a ...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate was not that short, but perhaps it was shorter than those on some of the oth...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc2051-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

139A: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Hamwee | 830 c2052 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 139A is in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Alton of Liverpool. The noble Lord, Lord Ca...

Lord German | 830 cc2052-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two sets of amendments in this group. First, Amendments 142, 143, 144 and 147 se...

Bishop of Durham | 830 cc2055-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak first to Amendment 139A, to which my right reverend friend the Bishop of L...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c2058 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 139B from the right reverend Prelate, to which I was pleased to add...

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