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Procurement Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 18 July 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Lord True, Baroness Goldie and Baroness Scott of Bybrook. The answering members were Lord Coaker and Baroness Hayman of Ullock.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 15 and 16 agreed to as amended. Clause 17 agreed to. Clauses 18 to 20 agreed to as amended. Clause 21 agreed to. Clauses 22 to 29 agreed to as amended. Clause 30 under consideration.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

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Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Procurement Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 11 May 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Procurement Bill [HL]; Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Bill [HL]; Draft Legislative Reform (Provision of Information etc. Relating to Disabilities) Order 2022. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee third report.
Wednesday, 8 June 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0666
Thursday, 21 July 2022
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House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0705
Thursday, 4 August 2022
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Deposited Paper DEP2022-0714
Monday, 8 August 2022
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Deposited Paper DEP2022-0775
Tuesday, 20 September 2022
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Deposited Paper DEP2022-0776
Tuesday, 20 September 2022
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Lansley | 823 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Lansley

86: Clause 15, page 11, line 16, after “suppliers” insert “, e...

Lord Lansley | 823 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady Noakes for the splendid way in which she addressed my amendments las...


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Lord True | 823 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

89: Clause 15, page 11, line 30, leave out from “must” to end of l...

Lord True | 823 cc545-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group seeks to deal with amendments relating to the process for excluding supplier...

Lord Coaker | 823 cc546-8GC (Link to this contribution)

In keeping with the obvious mood of the Committee, I actually do not want to say very much either...

Lord True | 823 cc548-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that in a test match that is called putting the spinner on early when the batsm...

Lord Coaker | 823 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

That is quite helpful. Further to that and to make sure I have understood, would an excluded or e...

Lord True | 823 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

We will come on to the details of debarment on a later group—on Clause 61, I believe. A supplier ...

Lord True | 823 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

90: Clause 16, page 11, line 33, leave out subsection (1) and inse...

Lord True | 823 cc550-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, here I pay the penalty for the discussion we had before the Committee started: there ar...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc551-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 445 in this group. This amendment is concerned with the challenge faci...

Lord Aberdare | 823 c553GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to Amendment 445, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and I shall make...

Lord Mendelsohn | 823 c553GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 445, which I was also pleased to sign. The noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Berkeley | 823 cc553-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 449A tabled in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Clem...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 cc554-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 449 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, and Am...

Baroness Boycott | 823 cc557-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I speak on behalf of my noble friend Lady Worthington, who cannot be here, to support our Amendme...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 823 cc558-560GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking the Minister for introducing all the government amendments in this ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc561-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to a number of amendments in this group on behalf of my noble friend Lo...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 823 c563GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord for interrupting him. I am afraid that there is a Divisio...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 823 c563GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am tempted to say to the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, that he need not sit down si...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc563-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. My Lords, if noble Lords thought that my previous speech took a long time, they will n...

Lord True | 823 cc564-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not rising sooner; I never know how many spokesmen are going to rise fr...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. Without pre-empting our debate later in the Committee’s proceeding...

Lord True | 823 cc565-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Perish the thought that I might comment on the shelf life of HS2, but I do take what the noble Lo...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 c566GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Lord continues, I hope he will go back to the original statement to re...

Lord True | 823 cc566-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have given further information. The noble Lord referred to a whole range of factors w...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for interrupting, but can the Minister therefore explain why these time lim...

Lord True | 823 cc568-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the Cabinet Office is sinning, I will take the matter away and look into it. I heard...

Lord Coaker | 823 c569GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I just say—because sometimes these things pass by and they should be noted—that we are very p...

Lord True | 823 cc569-570GC (Link to this contribution)

Right. Unfortunately, the noble Lord will be disappointed by my response to the second part of th...

Lord True | 823 c570GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

91: Clause 16, page 11, line 36, after “conduct” insert “, or has ...

Lord True | 823 c570GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

93: Clause 18, page 12, line 17, after “considers” insert—

“...

Baroness Noakes | 823 c570GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Noakes

96: Clause 18, page 12, line 22, leave out “must” and insert...

Baroness Noakes | 823 cc570-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 107 in this group. The large part of this group is gove...

Lord Scriven | 823 c571GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 105 in the names of my noble friends Lord Wallace of Salta...

Lord Scriven | 823 c572GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, the healthiest on the Procurement Bill and constitutional affairs Front-Bench team. I thank...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 823 cc572-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, for introducing her two amendments. As ever du...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 823 c573GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I seek to deal with amendments related to competitive procedures. I will start with the...

Lord Aberdare | 823 c574GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting, but I just want to ask a question in relation to Clause 32. It is a...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 823 cc574-6GC (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly not the Government’s intention to exclude those groups of providers. In fact, we ...

Lord Scriven | 823 c576GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to come back to the Minister’s explanation about the word “appropriate” and it being wide....

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 823 cc576-7GC (Link to this contribution)

It is obvious that the noble Lord, and probably all noble Lords, need more clarity about this. I ...

Baroness Noakes | 823 c577GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think my noble friend the Minister can move her amendments yet; she will move ...

Lord True | 823 c577GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

98: Clause 18, page 12, line 29, leave out “must” and insert “may”...

Lord Coaker | 823 c578GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

101: Clause 18, page 12, line 31, at end insert—

“(3A) In ...

Lord Coaker | 823 cc578-581GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Goldie, to her place and I thank her for carrying on...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 cc580-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, has made a telling and persuasive case. I hope it will con...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 823 cc583-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 485. I will also speak to Amendment 101, which was not signed by no...

Baroness Goldie | 823 cc585-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I am endeavouring, my Lords, not to tip my water down the back of my noble friend’s neck, althoug...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 c587GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness. On the question of the National Audit Offic...

Baroness Goldie | 823 c587GC (Link to this contribution)

What I think is important is that we accord the National Audit Office the absolutely critical cha...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 823 c588GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has spoken about the legislation giving the MoD greater flexibility, but f...

Baroness Goldie | 823 cc588-9GC (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Baroness will be aware, the National Audit Office reports not to the MoD; it reports...

Lord Coaker | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister address the point about the treatment of contracted staff for the MoD’s ancilla...

Baroness Goldie | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the Government’s response has been framed to that report and is currentl...

Lord Coaker | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

The Government cannot answer the point about whether the Procurement Bill will allow the MoD to l...

Baroness Goldie | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, yes, within the law the MoD can, and this Bill provides more flexibility for past performan...

Lord Coaker | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

It would be really helpful if the Minister, as she suggested, wrote to me and copied it to noble ...

Baroness Goldie | 823 c590GC (Link to this contribution)

What I said to the noble Lord was that, as happens with any committee report, the department is p...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 823 c591GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Baroness is writing to the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, could she undertake ...

Baroness Goldie | 823 c591GC (Link to this contribution)

There is a part of the Bill that allows the Secretary of State to exclude a supplier; that is a s...

Lord Coaker | 823 cc591-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for that informative reply, and I look forward to the letter...

Lord True | 823 c592GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

102: Clause 18, page 12, line 34, at end insert—

“(4A) In th...

Lord True | 823 c592GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

106: Clause 19, page 13, line 14, at end insert “(a “competitive f...

Lord True | 823 c593GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

108: Clause 19, page 13, line 18, leave out “tendering procedure o...

Lord True | 823 c593GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

115: Clause 20, page 14, line 8, leave out “procedure other than a...

Lord True | 823 c593GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

117: Clause 20, page 14, line 21, at end insert—

“(5) A tend...

Lord True | 823 c594GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

122: Clause 22, page 15, line 15, after “competitive” insert “tend...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 c594GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering

124A: Clause 22, page 15, line 18, at end in...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 c594GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although I am not moving Amendment 124A, I just thank the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, for ...

Lord True | 823 c594GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

126: Clause 22, page 15, line 26, at beginning insert “if there is...

Lord True | 823 c594GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

132: Clause 23, page 16, line 14, leave out “tendering procedure o...

Lord True | 823 c595GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

134: Clause 24, page 16, line 29, at end insert—

“(A1) This ...

Lord True | 823 c595GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

142: Clause 24, page 17, line 5, leave out “terms of a procurement...

Lord True | 823 c595GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

146: Clause 25, page 17, line 19, after “competitive” insert “tend...

Lord True | 823 c596GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

148: Clause 26, page 17, line 24, leave out from “assessing” to en...

Lord True | 823 c596GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

150: Clause 26, page 17, line 32, leave out first “supplier” and i...

Lord True | 823 c596GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

155: Clause 27, page 17, line 38, leave out “tendering procedure o...

Lord True | 823 c597GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

162: Clause 28, page 18, line 13, at end insert—

“(A1) A con...

Lord True | 823 c597GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

168: Clause 29, page 19, line 3, leave out “or exclude the supplie...

Lord Mendelsohn | 823 cc597-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

174: Clause 30, page 19, line 16, at end insert—

“(d) ...

Lord Mendelsohn | 823 cc598-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the phrase in a situation like that is “follow that”; that was an impressive pe...

Lord Aberdare | 823 c599GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to both of the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Mend...

Baroness Stroud | 823 cc599-601GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to introduce Amendment 353, tabled in my name and in the name of the noble Lords...

Lord Hain | 823 cc601-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend the speech from the noble Baroness. It was compelling and I hope the Minister...

Earl of Dundee | 823 c603GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 353, introduced by my noble friend Lady Stroud.

As many...

Baroness Boycott | 823 cc606-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register. I am introducing Amendments 310, 318...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 823 cc607-610GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend Lady Boycott and to associate myself w...

Baroness Noakes | 823 cc608-611GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two small amendments in this group, Amendments 330 and 332. I must say that this...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 823 c611GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendment 353, to which I am a co-signatory, and in passing to Amendment 331. Per...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 823 cc611-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to the debate and rise to address the Question that Schedules 6 and 7 b...

Baroness Stroud | 823 c613GC (Link to this contribution)

I just want to respond to my noble friend’s comments about Amendment 353 and underline a comment ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 823 c614GC (Link to this contribution)

The point is well made. I would be interested to know how long that Act has been in operation in ...

Lord Scriven | 823 cc614-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a fascinating discussion on a number of amendments that are grouped aroun...

Lord Coaker | 823 cc615-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to be reasonably brief in summing up some of the points made. I start by wel...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 823 c617GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for taking up the point about the extent of the schedules and the shared d...

Lord Coaker | 823 c618GC (Link to this contribution)

That is a point well made. Indeed, the whole issue of the increase in the use of regulations by t...

Lord True | 823 cc618-620GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a wide gamut of public policy that enables a Government to achieve the objecti...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 823 c620GC (Link to this contribution)

As it is still Committee, can I just ask a question about tax and competition offences? I am not ...

Lord True | 823 cc621-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend makes an important point. There are elements in here which are looking back and t...

Lord Hain | 823 c622GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. I will not detain the Committee, except to say that I find it hard...

Lord True | 823 cc622-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord made a strong case on this before. He has repeated it in a shorter versi...

Lord Scriven | 823 c624GC (Link to this contribution)

I have listened very carefully to the description the noble Lord has given. Exactly the same kind...

Lord True | 823 c624GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I referred to the position where there may be no relevant national laws. The Government...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 823 c624GC (Link to this contribution)

On modern slavery, the Minister is surely saying that there has to have been a conviction for som...

Lord True | 823 c624GC (Link to this contribution)

No: I said that the current rules are too weak. They do require the supplier to have been convict...

Lord Mendelsohn | 823 cc625-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was the very definition of a wide-ranging debate. I do not want to delay the Commi...

Lord True | 823 c626GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

175: Clause 30, page 19, line 17, leave out from “must” to end of ...

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