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Product Security and Telecommunications Infrastructure Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 60 to 72 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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823 cc651-715 

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2022-23

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Committee stage

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Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stowell of Beeston

18: Clause 60, page 45, line 22, at end insert—<...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 c652 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if my noble friend Lady Harding is not in the Chamber—I was not expecting to do this—I ...


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Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 823 c652 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise. I rise to speak to Amendment 18 in my name, and I thank my noble friend Lo...

Lord Fox | 823 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I beg your Lordships’ pardon—the moving of the Statement on the Metropolitan Police was not commu...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 823 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

Many apologies. I also thank my noble friend Lady Stowell, who I was not expecting to see, but wh...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 cc653-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a cup of tea lies gently cooling in the tea room, unpaid for as I sprinted to move my a...

Lord Fox | 823 c655 (Link to this contribution)

I want to again apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, for causing him not to be here—and I wi...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c655 (Link to this contribution)

I was giving way to an excellent intervention to save me from the poor quality of my speech.

Lord Fox | 823 c655 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I suddenly saw the look on your face and thought you were finished.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 cc655-6 (Link to this contribution)

The whole Committee stage debate has already become surreal, and we are only about 20 minutes int...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 c656 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I shall make just two points to him and the...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c656 (Link to this contribution)

I take the comments from the chair of my own committee in good heart. Clearly, I am on a learning...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc656-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot follow the amusement factor of the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey. As this is my firs...

Lord Fox | 823 cc657-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the noble Earl that Amendment 44 deals explicitly with the safety issues. He m...

Viscount Stansgate | 823 c658 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will take advantage of the flexibility of debate outlined by the former Leader of the...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I can respond to that, since that question is being put to me. There is nothing procedurally to p...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I will take advantage of the flexibility in the Chamber to say that, notwithstanding the interven...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc658-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following that very provocative statement from the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, I will not ...

Baroness Merron | 823 c659 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very pleased to put my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady H...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 cc659-661 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the whole House is grateful to its former Leader, my noble friend Lady Stowell,...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c661 (Link to this contribution)

Now that I am in the swing of things, does my noble friend genuinely believe that outside the mai...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 c661 (Link to this contribution)

As I am explaining, we think that the views from other operators point out that my noble friend’s...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 823 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I rise, somewhat hesitantly, having consulted the oracle that is the former Leader of this House,...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 823 cc661-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bassam of Brighton

19: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 823 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak on behalf of my noble friend Lady Merron, who has tabled this amendment. The pr...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to speak to the amendments in my name and that of the noble Earl, Lord D...

Earl of Devon | 823 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of the two proposals from the noble Baroness, Lady McIn...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to mainly talk about Amendment 19 put forward by the noble Lord, Lord Bassam. Be...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 cc665-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an interesting debate on these proposals, which are potentially linked and will...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in the short debate on this group, particularly...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c667 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister is making exactly the same case as the Commons Minister, Julia Lopez, made...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that they should have notice, but the point is that the paragraph 17 conditions...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I think both the noble Earl, Lord Devon, and I asked whom, following court rulings in this regard...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend will permit, I will come to the points she raises on consultation shortly.

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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 823 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am somewhat reluctant to let this go, I must confess. The emergency services in this ...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

20: Clause 61, page 46, leave out lines 6 and 7 and inser...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment I will also speak to the other amendments in my name in this g...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord aware of the American import of site aggregators—companies which, I think, fina...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc672-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am indeed. I believe that one of the firms is based in San Diego, in California. One cannot hel...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry to interrupt the noble Earl, who is clearly giving us a sense of this important and...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc675-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a group of amendments here, all of them covering very technical bits and pieces ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on these Benches, we support the amendments introduced by the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c677 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the noble Lord agrees that a mast on a community sports building, although it provides a g...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot believe that the noble Lord believes that it is reasonable to reduce the rent ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 cc678-680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, on his Amendments 20 and 22 to 27. I am del...

Lord Northbrook | 823 cc680-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being able to take part at Second Reading and in the first day of C...

Earl of Devon | 823 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments from the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, and much appreciate his exte...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c682 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having followed this debate quite closely, I thought I would make a brief intervention....

Lord Northbrook | 823 c682 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, Lord Vaizey, but Vodafone’s figures to March 2021 showed ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

We ought to remember that Vodafone is a global company and a great British success story. I congr...

Earl of Lytton | 823 c683 (Link to this contribution)

In saying that mobile operators are very large and substantial companies, does the noble Lord acc...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 823 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to be sidetracked into a debate on the classification of wind or solar farms, but I...

Lord Fox | 823 c683 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall not enter the zero-sum game debate we appear to be having. However, the really ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 823 c684 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I make one additional comment? Despite my noble friend Lord Vaizey thinking I am pe...

Baroness Merron | 823 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue of valuation, as we have heard clearly today, generates one of the most signi...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 cc685-691 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we expected, we have had a lively and somewhat polarised debate on this group, which...

Lord Northbrook | 823 c689 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister. Would he be able to produce any written evidence of these i...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 c689 (Link to this contribution)

My letter that was sent just before Committee outlined some of the engagement that the department...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc689-693 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that detailed reply. I will obviously not try to cover everyth...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 cc692-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the stand part notice in my name, on which I am delighted to have the s...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc694-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 and 34. This may well be another par...

Earl of Devon | 823 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh, once more, and the noble L...

Earl of Lytton | 823 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 28, 30, 31 and 34, to which I have added my name. I also express m...

Lord Northbrook | 823 c696 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Earl not think it most unusual for commercial contracts to be interfered with in t...

Earl of Lytton | 823 c697 (Link to this contribution)

There have been instances where contracts of all sorts have been interfered with by government—fo...

Lord Northbrook | 823 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly support the clause stand part amendment and the amendments in the name o...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 823 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be very brief. In general, I support the arguments of the noble Lord, Lord Clem...

Lord Fox | 823 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, even more briefly, the Minister said in responding to the last group that the Governmen...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc698-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have spoken to this group, which concerns both compensation and backd...

Earl of Lytton | 823 c699 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the Minister to consider what happens if a contract under the 1954 Act contains a provision...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl, Lord Lytton, raises some very specific and technical points, if I may say so. I a...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c700 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is saying that it is retrospective and therefore exactly the effects that I mentione...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 c700 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to get on to the various backdating aspects of this, so I hope that will answer some o...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to intervene again, but of course I will not be responding at the end of the...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc700-1 (Link to this contribution)

As my noble friend the Minister has pointed out, lawyers do well whatever happens. I am coming on...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c701 (Link to this contribution)

First, is it the case that the Bill will be changed on Report, or are we talking about a new piec...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 c701 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that the answer to both of those questions is that I do not know. It would be remiss ...

Lord Fox | 823 c701 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry to labour the point, but the Minister just introduced the concept of transitional provision...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 823 cc701-2 (Link to this contribution)

I read my brief very carefully, and I said “any transitional provisions in respect of the Bill”—I...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 c702 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful for the debate we have had, and I hope that my noble friend will look warmly o...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 c703 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

35: Clause 68, page 58, line 38, leave out from “must” to...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc703-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should just say that it is not my role to make friends among my colleagues in the leg...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 cc704-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 36, 37, 38 and 39, and the proposal that Clauses 68 and 69 ...

Earl of Lytton | 823 c706 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have an amendment in this group but I will also briefly voice my support for the othe...

Lord Northbrook | 823 c706 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, th...

Lord Fox | 823 cc707-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while we were debating the previous group, the Government seemed to be getting ready to...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 823 c708 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend the Minister will remember from my remarks at Second Reading that my ma...

Baroness Merron | 823 c708 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate on this group raises a number of interesting points, but they are all on the...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 cc708-712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall first address points made by the noble Earl, Lord Devon, as well as my noble fr...

Lord Fox | 823 c712 (Link to this contribution)

As I explained earlier, it is a probing amendment designed not to go into legislation but to get ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

The Building Safety Act received Royal Assent on 28 April, as the noble Lord knows. It will stren...

Lord Fox | 823 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Without labouring the point tonight, the Minister can perhaps pander to my curiosity and come bac...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 c713 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to consult my colleagues at the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communit...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 823 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Did I hear my noble friend correctly regarding the Country Land and Business Association? If so, ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 823 c713 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disagree with my noble friend, but the CLA’s response to the consultation opposed c...

Lord Clement-Jones | 823 cc713-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we clearly have some clearing up to do between Committee and Report on who said what an...

Earl of Lytton | 823 cc714-5 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

The Earl of Lytton

42A: After Clause 69, insert the following new Clause—

Earl of Lytton | 823 c715 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be very brief. I was rather disappointed with the Minister’s response on Ofcom....

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