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Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 22 June 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Caine. The answering member was Lord Murphy of Torfaen.
Lords committee stage. Clause 1 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 2 agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to. Clause 3 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clauses 4 to 11 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

823 cc59-112GC 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 25 May 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Bill (HL). Constitution Committee second report.
Monday, 20 June 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Goudie | 823 c59GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goudie

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 15, leave out “takes account of th...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c59GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be moving the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, today,...


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Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 cc59-60GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much support my noble friend in her amendment, but I will speak to Amendment 5 i...

Baroness Suttie | 823 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the sentiments in the speech by the noble Lord, Lord Murphy. Briefly, I repeat t...

Baroness Suttie | 823 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is from Dungannon, I understand. No? Forgive me.

The Belfast/Good Friday agr...

Lord Morrow | 823 cc62-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the NDNA deal has been mentioned, as it often is. NDNA was not a single issue. There we...

Lord Deben | 823 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to associate myself with those noble Lords who are sad that this is not being de...

Lord Empey | 823 cc63-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Deben, I deeply regret that this issue is being dealt with he...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 823 cc64-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again we are dealing with an issue that was the responsibility of the Northern Ire...

Lord Caine | 823 cc65-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have spoken to the first group of amendments before us. ...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 823 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 2. The noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond,...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Murphy of Torfaen

2: Clause 1, page 2, leave out lines 5 to 11

Me...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 cc67-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my thoughts to those of the Minister regarding my noble friend Lady Ritchie, who ...

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 823 c68GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond, is taking part remotely. I invite the noble Baroness...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 823 cc68-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 39, which is also in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Rit...

Baroness Hoey | 823 cc69-70GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome the probing amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Murphy, and t...

Baroness Suttie | 823 cc70-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my best wishes to the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, and wish her well. This morni...

Lord Morrow | 823 cc71-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with permission, I will speak to Amendments 2, 20, 37 and 39. This set of probing amend...

Lord Empey | 823 cc72-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note all the probing amendments from the noble Lord, Lord Murphy, and the noble Baron...

Lord Kilclooney | 823 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, we are talking about equality and respect, but are we also talking about ...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 823 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 18 in this group would amend the duty on public authorities to one of compliance with b...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I raised this issue in my Second Reading speech and I am happy to speak to these amendm...

Lord Caine | 823 cc74-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again thank noble Lords for their amendments in this group, which broadly focus on th...

Baroness Hoey | 823 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that explanation. Can he just tell the Committee why the Northern Irelan...

Lord Caine | 823 cc75-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very familiar with that case, because I was an adviser in the Northern Ireland Office at the...

Lord Deben | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

I am old enough to have been through all the debates on the flags. There was no doubt whatever th...

Lord Caine | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend, who makes a very powerful point. I agree with him ent...

Lord Kilclooney | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

I have very bad hearing, and I did not hear whether the noble Lord used the Sinn Féin term of “no...

Lord Deben | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about Northern Ireland, which is the constitutional phrase for the six counties whi...

Lord Kilclooney | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

That is not the answer to my question.

Lord Caine | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we should probably move on. In summary, the provisions of the Bill—

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

Before we move on, because these matters are important, there is a report, I think in today’s new...

Lord Caine | 823 cc78-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I can: there has been a review of the number of days on which the union flag is flown officially ...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just a few brief points to make. At the moment, 1998 appears to be a favourite d...

Baroness Fookes | 823 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

Before we come on to Amendment 7, I should announce that Amendment 43A, to be debated with this g...

Lord Morrow | 823 cc79-80GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Morrow

7: Clause 1, page 3, line 22, leave out from first “the” to end ...

Lord Morrow | 823 cc80-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Not moved. Oh, sorry—I was not listening intently. I beg your pardon. I will move my amendment; n...

Lord Empey | 823 cc82-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the four amendments that have just been spoken to. However, my worry about al...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 cc83-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 43A in the name of my noble friend Lord Morrow, but, before I...

Lord Empey | 823 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that the expenditure undertaken in these areas by local authorities als...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 cc85-6GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes a very good point, which is often overlooked when we talk about these issues...

Lord Caine | 823 cc86-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who spoke to this group of amendments. I s...

Lord Empey | 823 c87GC (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister. I am not constrained by anything Dame Arlene might have said ...

Lord Caine | 823 cc87-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend. On this, as on many issues, I have a huge amount of respect for...

Lord Morrow | 823 c88GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened carefully to what the Minister said. Perhaps I am overconfident but I detect...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 c88GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dodds of Duncairn

8: Clause 1, page 3, line 33, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will talk to Amendments 8, 12, 31 and 45 in my name and that of the noble Lords, Lord...

Lord Deben | 823 cc89-90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose this proposal simply because it is not something for this Parliament. We are h...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 823 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

I listened very carefully to what the noble Lord had to say. When it comes to a spirit of generos...

Lord Caine | 823 cc90-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Dodds of Duncairn for the way in which moved his amendment...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response and for the manner in which he has dealt...

Lord Lexden | 823 c92GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lexden

9: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Castl...

Lord Lexden | 823 cc92-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to find myself in the company of unionist noble friends in this group of two ...

Lord Empey | 823 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to this amendment. It reminds me of an issue in a negotiation that has ...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, in his amendment. I am currently readin...

Lord Morrow | 823 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 10 is in my name. I have good news for noble Lords: this will be my briefest ...

Lord Caine | 823 cc93-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to respond to the speeches that have been made on this group of ...

Lord Lexden | 823 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that seems a very satisfactory basis on which to leave the matter. I hope unionist frie...

Baroness Fookes | 823 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hoey, sent a nice note to me in the chair to explain why she h...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goudie

13: Clause 2, page 5, leave out lines 21 to 23

Member'...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am moving this amendment on behalf of my noble friend Lady Ritchie. Briefly, we put t...

Lord Caine | 823 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Goudie, for speaking to these amendments on behalf...

Baroness Goudie | 823 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

Lord Morrow | 823 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Morrow

33: Clause 3, page 9, line 30, leave out “facilitation”

Lord Morrow | 823 cc96-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will seek to be brief but I will not be as brief as the last time I spoke. I know tha...

Lord Empey | 823 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unlike a good wine, sometimes negotiations do not age well. Sometimes we get it right; ...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 823 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, accepting the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Empey, I do not believe that there is...

Lord Caine | 823 cc98-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Once again, I am most grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Morrow, for the way in which he moved his ...

Lord Morrow | 823 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened carefully to the Minister—again, he has enticed me enough for me to wit...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c100GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Murphy of Torfaen

40: Clause 6, page 11, line 36, at end insert—

...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 cc100-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to quite a difficult part of the Bill, in my view. The Minister referred to...

Lord Morrow | 823 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would require the Secretary of State to make a Statement to the Commons ...

Lord Empey | 823 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must say, I take a similar view to the noble Lord, Lord Morrow. For three years, when...

Lord Empey | 823 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

Or the other side. Whichever—the point is still valid. I am just saying that, if you throw out or...

Lord Moylan | 823 cc102-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 43, to which I have put my name. I would in fact have put my ...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 cc104-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, has eloquently set out the dangers of the approach that th...

Lord Empey | 823 c105GC (Link to this contribution)

Not having been intimately involved in the New Decade, New Approach negotiations, is the noble Lo...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 823 cc105-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. A lot of those questions are for the Minister; I look forward to...

Baroness Suttie | 823 c106GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Dodds, said about Amendment 40, which I co-signed. It is p...

Lord Lexden | 823 c106GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, some very important constitutional points have been brought up in this debate, and I kn...

Lord Caine | 823 cc106-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again thank noble Lords across the Committee for the amendments that have been tabled...

Lord Empey | 823 c108GC (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for his last comment, but this is a fundamental issue around t...

Lord Caine | 823 cc108-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend; I will touch on what he said shortly, I think. I give my assura...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 cc109-110GC (Link to this contribution)

Well, there we are. My Lords, it is not easy. My heart tells me that the noble Lords, Lord Empey ...

Lord Empey | 823 c110GC (Link to this contribution)

The solution is the agreement. Let us suppose Sinn Féin proposes a convicted murderer or somebody...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c110GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I understand, and if I was the Secretary of State under those circumstances, I would not inv...

Lord Caine | 823 c110GC (Link to this contribution)

I am following the noble Lord very closely. He is absolutely right to say that these are uncomfor...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 c111GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course. No one said that any of this is easy; far from it. When he wound up, the Minister was ...

Lord Morrow | 823 c111GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be very brief. I have listened intently to what the Minister has said, and to wha...

Lord Caine | 823 c111GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for having to take issue with the noble Lord right at the conclusion of the debate, b...

Lord Morrow | 823 cc111-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking now about Clause 7, which the Minister is very familiar with. Furthermore, as was m...

Earl of Kinnoull | 823 c112GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope the procedural gods will forgive me for allowing that, but I think it was very i...

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