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Nationality and Borders Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Thursday, 10 February 2022, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 57 to 66 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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2021-22

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Home Office

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Legislative scrutiny: Nationality and Borders Bill (Part 1) - nationality. Joint Committee on Human Rights seventh report.
Wednesday, 3 November 2021
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Legislative scrutiny: Nationality and Borders Bill (Part 3) - Immigration offences and enforcement. Joint Committee on Human Rights ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 November 2021
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Nationality and Borders Bill 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 9 December 2021
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Nationality and Borders Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eighteenth report.
Wednesday, 12 January 2022
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1828-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

151D: Clause 57, page 61, line 31, at end insert—

“(1A) Th...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1829-1832 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register as a research fellow at University of...


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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 818 cc1832-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests in the register. I was much involved with the Modern Slavery Act...

Baroness Ludford | 818 cc1833-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 153 and 155 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Dubs. Before...

Lord Henley | 818 cc1834-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not yet spoken on this Bill—I missed the Second Reading for reasons beyond my co...

Bishop of Bristol | 818 cc1835-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to those noble Lords who oppose Clause 57 standing part. I am very...

Baroness Prashar | 818 cc1836-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for introducing these amendments with suc...

Baroness Hamwee | 818 cc1837-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to the opposition to both Clauses 57 and 58. The Minister will und...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 cc1838-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, I refer to a non-financial interest: I am a trustee o...

Lord Dubs | 818 cc1839-1840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am also a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, and I am grateful to my coll...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 818 cc1840-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments; I have signed only one, simply because I am not ter...

Lord Cashman | 818 c1841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly, because I was not intending to speak. I want first to congratula...

Baroness Meacher | 818 c1841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, in his intention to oppose Clauses 57 and 58 sta...

Lord Hylton | 818 c1841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I notice that my noble friend Lady Hollins cannot be in her place today, but I urge the...

Lord Paddick | 818 cc1841-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Independent Anti-slavery Commissioner, Dame Sara Thornton, wrote to the Home Secret...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1842 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. I have listened to all ...

Lord Paddick | 818 c1842 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just on that point, I was clearly not suggesting that the noble Baroness, Lady Williams...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1843 (Link to this contribution)

I think it might be best if we just moved on from that because, respectfully, I am not sure that ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 c1843 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, why do we not wait for that legislation and do it comprehensively, rather than put ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1843 (Link to this contribution)

There were two questions there. Why now? I was going to come to that, because that is a point tha...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 818 c1843 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but how does he see what he is saying as compatible with th...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 cc1844-5 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we have considered the statutory guidance, not least because it comes from the Home Dep...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 818 c1845 (Link to this contribution)

I have been biting my tongue, but the Minister talked about the real world, and I do not think th...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1845 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not denying any stories. I set out statistics earlier on which were absolutely fro...

Lord Paddick | 818 c1845 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for interrupting, but the Minister has cited the statistics that he quoted ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have already said that I will write. I will copy everybody in, particularly the noble...

Lord Paddick | 818 c1846 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord not accept that 24% of modern slavery cases are UK nationals and have nothing...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 cc1846-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am certainly willing to accept that a significant number of modern slavery victims are UK natio...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 818 c1847 (Link to this contribution)

I am impressed by the Minister’s argument that the intention is benevolent, but how does he squar...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 cc1847-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Lord will forgive me if I reply to his points in reverse order. On the second, o...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 818 c1848 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to deal with Urgent Questions again, because the Minister answered a different q...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1848 (Link to this contribution)

At this point, all I can do is pass that on, and I will.

Lord Paddick | 818 c1848 (Link to this contribution)

On Amendment 172A, I think the Minister said that victims of modern slavery already have access t...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 818 c1848 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is absolutely right, which is why I was making the point about it being a fundamen...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1848-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everyone who has contributed to this incredibly important debate. It lasted jus...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 c1849 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering

156: Clause 59, page 63, line 1, leave out su...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 cc1849-1850 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for setting the scene and others who contri...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 818 c1850 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 156 is agreed I cannot call Amendment 156A by reason of pre-emption.

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 cc1850-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to address Amendments 156A and 156B in this group and to follow ...

Bishop of St Albans | 818 cc1853-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to amendments 156A and 156B in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Alton of...

Baroness Prashar | 818 c1854 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendments 156A and 156B, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Alton, ...

Lord Deben | 818 cc1854-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest because, in my work on sustainability in the business that I chai...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 818 c1856 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the reasons given by other speakers—particularly the last speaker, with whom I prof...

Baroness Hamwee | 818 cc1856-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is to Amendment 157. This is a rhetorical question, but is not it interesting t...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 818 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

I may be able to help the noble Baroness—it was at Exmouth. I went to see it.

Baroness Hamwee | 818 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, it was excellent. That is why I raised it—because I wonder what has happened to it. As I ...

Lord Coaker | 818 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

I rise briefly to say that we support the amendments in this group. I say to the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Deben | 818 c1857 (Link to this contribution)

I was not there for that, but it seemed to me that it was worth repeating, if I may put it clearl...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1857-8 (Link to this contribution)

Well, it is the first time that I have heard repetition in this Chamber, so I thought that the no...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1858-1860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords for their contributions. The amendments in large part ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 c1860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister is dealing with these issues with great sensitivity and I welcome the tone...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to appear to give a cursory answer to the noble Lord in a debate of this ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 c1861 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister, but it seems to be the wrong way around. Normally, there is pre-le...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1861-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hear the points that the noble Lord makes. With respect, it seems that he moves forwa...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

I am anxious not to delay matters but to seek clarification at this stage. A number of noble Lord...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for her intervention, which permits me the opportunity of not on...

Lord Deben | 818 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

If that is the rationale, I do not see why we need the change. I seriously do not understand what...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend sends me back to the dictionary. I shall include the use of that word in my readi...

Lord Deben | 818 c1862 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I will not interrupt again. I still do not understand the rationale of bringing ourse...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

The justification is to ensure clarity across the legislation, and I appreciate the comment made ...

Lord Coaker | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for all of that, and the commitment to 45 days. Why does it say 30 days in t...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

No, I think the noble Lord is correct. It is 30 days for the alignment with ECAT, but the 45 days...

Lord Coaker | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

So there is an absolute commitment to 45 days for the gap between reasonable grounds and conclusi...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord shrugged his shoulders, but I repeat that the justification for this is to align w...

Baroness Hamwee | 818 c1863 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this did not stop us passing the Modern Slavery Act, which was ahead of the rest of the...

Lord Deben | 818 c1864 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to remove my mask, but I am told in the Climate Change Committee, of which I am chairm...

Baroness Ludford | 818 c1864 (Link to this contribution)

Can I join the maskless crew? Surely international law, and certainly EU directives, are usually ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1864 (Link to this contribution)

I hear from all sides of the Chamber, including from the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti—

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1864-5 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, I do not mean once again from the Dispatch Box to rain brickbats upon the noble Baroness’s...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 c1865 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an excellent debate. I thank everyone for their contributions. I think ther...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1865 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for that, and I beg the pardon of the noble and learned Baroness...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 c1865 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble and learned friend. He has endeavoured to be as full as possible in his...

Lord Coaker | 818 c1866 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

158: Clause 61, page 64, line 4, at end insert—

“(aa) the ...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1866-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I start my remarks on this group of amendments, I want to say in answer to the q...

Earl of Kinnoull | 818 c1868 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must inform the Committee that, if Amendment 160A is agreed to, I will not be able to...

Baroness Ludford | 818 cc1869-1870 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak to the JCHR amendments in this group in the name of the noble Lord, Lor...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 818 cc1870-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all these amendments but I will speak to Amendment 169, to which I have put m...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 818 cc1871-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the noble and learned Baroness. The Committee has benefited greatly from...

Bishop of Bristol | 818 c1872 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to those of noble Lords who oppose Clause 62 standing part of the ...

Baroness Hamwee | 818 cc1872-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on Amendment 160A, which is from these Benches. I fear that we are rather in...

Lord Dubs | 818 cc1873-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, as a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I shall speak very briefly. ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1874-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in opening from the Front Bench, the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, made a number of points i...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 c1875 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. In Clause 62, the phrase “bad faith” seems extraordinarily ambiguo...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 c1875 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for that intervention. I was proposing to deal later with the exp...

Baroness Ludford | 818 c1875 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but I now realise that he has now moved on from Clause 61 a...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1875-6 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Baroness will bear with me, I will seek to get an answer to that question that I can...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 818 c1876 (Link to this contribution)

I want to intervene briefly on the “good faith” and “bad faith” point, in case it is of assistanc...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1876-8 (Link to this contribution)

The point I was seeking to make by that expression is, I think, the same one that my noble friend...

Baroness Ludford | 818 c1877 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to hear that the Government want to comply with our international obligations—some of u...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1877-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness graciously affords me the possibility of replying perhaps in more detail and l...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1879-1880 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his typically courteous and thoughtful reply, and the way in w...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 818 c1880 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McColl of Dulwich

169A: Clause 63, page 66, line 10, leave out from “th...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 818 cc1880-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should declare an interest in that I presented the original anti-trafficking and anti...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 818 cc1881-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with his usual clarity, the noble Lord, Lord McColl, has introduced his amendments to C...

Lord Morrow | 818 cc1885-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Alton, for his kind remarks. For victims of modern slavery...

Baroness Hamwee | 818 cc1887-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Paddick has his name to Amendment 170. I know that he—I join him i...

Baroness Ludford | 818 c1888 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have been quicker than I anticipated but what my noble friend said is true; I must a...

Lord Coaker | 818 cc1888-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the interests of time, let me just say respectfully to the noble Lord, Lord McColl, ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 818 cc1889-1891 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in consideration of the flight of the noble Lord, Lord Morrow, I start by addressing Am...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 818 c1891 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for taking part in this debate. However, it is quite clear that we will h...

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