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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 8 November 2021, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 77 and 78 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

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Session

2021-22

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Committee stage

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New clauses

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House of Lords chamber
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 6 July 2021
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill
Monday, 8 November 2021
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 815 cc1524-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe

157: After Clause 76, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 815 c1525 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 157 would insert a new clause to lower the drink-drive alcohol limit in Engla...


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Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 815 cc1525-7 (Link to this contribution)

However, on rereading this speech, I was so pleased with the evidence-based arguments that I had ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 815 cc1527-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment. I declare that I chair the Commission on Alcoho...

Earl Attlee | 815 cc1528-1530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to oppose Amendment 157 and speak to Amendment 164 in my name and that of the no...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1529 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as president of the Road Danger Reduction Forum. I support both t...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 815 cc1529-1531 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not repeat what I said earlier about my own mother having been killed because of...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1532 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, from my professional experience, there is no safe level of alcohol for a ...

Baroness Randerson | 815 cc1532-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to Amendment 157. I need to say very little following the speakers toda...

Lord Rosser | 815 cc1533-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that the House will be grateful to my noble friend Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 cc1535-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to everybody who contributed to this debate, and I am particularly grateful to the ...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1536 (Link to this contribution)

If the police stopped every vehicle travelling along a certain road, how would that be unfair and...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 cc1536-7 (Link to this contribution)

With respect to my noble friend, it would very much depend on the road and how the policy was bei...

Lord Berkeley | 815 c1537 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, would I be right in saying that, five years after my noble friend ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 c1537 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I do not know whether the noble Lord is being unfair, because I do not have the sta...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1537 (Link to this contribution)

My concern is that the Minister does not seem to have any policy that directly targets those driv...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 815 cc1537-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. Other than t...

Baroness Randerson | 815 c1538 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

158: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Randerson | 815 cc1538-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at various points in the Bill, the Government are seeking to increase penalties and cre...

Lord Berkeley | 815 cc1539-1540 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and I shall add just a few words to the noble Baroness’s excel...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 815 cc1540-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson.

In doing a little bit of research f...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the noble Baroness. My only complaint is that I do not think it is ag...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1541 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, and actually agree with him for...

Lord Rosser | 815 cc1542-3 (Link to this contribution)

This issue was also raised by my colleague, Ben Bradshaw MP, in the Commons. As has been said, ex...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 cc1543-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords, and particularly the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, for her e...

Baroness Randerson | 815 c1544 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response and also thank noble Lords who have taken part in this shor...

Baroness Randerson | 815 c1544 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

159: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Randerson | 815 cc1544-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment simply calls for a review of road traffic offences. It refers back to th...

Lord Berkeley | 815 c1546 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly on Amendment 165 in my name and in the names of the noble Baroness...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 cc1546-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we have made the point that there is a huge inconsistency between road traffic ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 815 cc1547-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both amendments, including that of the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, of which I ...

Lord Rosser | 815 c1548 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief because I think that the arguments in favour of these two amendments ha...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 cc1548-1550 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this relatively short debate. As we have heard, ...

Baroness Randerson | 815 c1549 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response and other noble Lords for participating in this short debat...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1549 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

160: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

“P...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1549-1551 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the Committee will forgive me, I was not quick enough off the mark in the previous g...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1551 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry, but I am going to speak on this if the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, is not go...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1551 (Link to this contribution)

I feel very strongly about this. It offends my sense of justice that people who do hit and runs n...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1552 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Baroness may be speaking to the next group rather than this group.

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 c1552 (Link to this contribution)

I am. Sorry, ignore that. Strike that from the record. I will come back to that.

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 c1552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was interested in the explanation of this amendment by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick. ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 c1552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I understand the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, correctly, this amendment is aimed at imp...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1552-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Ponsonby of Shulbrede, for his support in principle. I think it would be ...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1553-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

161: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

“F...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 161 is in my name, supported by the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 815 cc1554-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said before, I support this amendment very strongly because hit-and-runs are a men...

Lord Berkeley | 815 c1555 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment. One of the most telling statistics is that ther...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 c1555 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my right honourable friend Ben Bradshaw spoke to his amendment, which was along similar...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 815 cc1555-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as noble Lords have explained, Amendments 161 and 166 relate to the offence of drivers ...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1557-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for contributing to this debate, including the noble Baroness, Lady...

Lord Berkeley | 815 c1558 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

169A: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord Berkeley | 815 cc1558-1560 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment I shall speak to Amendments 169B and169C tabled by the noble E...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1560 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

169B: After Clause 76, in subsection (1), after the word “liable...

Earl Attlee | 815 cc1560-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for moving his amendment. On its own, i...

Baroness Randerson | 815 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for his introduction and the noble Earl, Lord At...

Lord Coaker | 815 cc1561-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is good to be back from the Armed Forces Bill to join you all again for this group o...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 815 cc1562-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, and my noble friend Lord Attlee for explaining th...

Earl Attlee | 815 c1563 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid the Minister’s response is a little disappointing. I was hoping he would sa...

Lord Berkeley | 815 cc1563-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed and to the Minister for his respo...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1564 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Falconer of Thoroton

169D: Clause 77, page 72, line 31, at end insert—<...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1564-5 (Link to this contribution)

We move to Part 6 of the Bill, which is important. It creates two new types of caution: diversion...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1565 (Link to this contribution)

Just for the record, and because the officials have worked extremely hard, I have a WhatsApp grou...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1565-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very glad to hear that. It is the first time in my experience—and I am not complaining, beca...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1567-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble and learned Lord about the importance of this part of the Bill. ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise that this group of amendments in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lo...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

I made it absolutely clear that I was not for one moment impugning the Bill team’s work ethic. I ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

It has nothing to do with the hour. On every Bill I have done, I have had the Bill team on WhatsA...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

If I can adopt a previous role that I had as a police officer and come between the two parties to...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1569-1570 (Link to this contribution)

We can move on. We do not need to raise the temperature at 11.30 pm. We have other things to argu...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

First, in the light of the evidence given by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, I unreservedly withdra...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

170: Clause 77, page 72, line 34, leave out paragraphs (a) and ...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1570-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendments 171 and 190 in my name. I will then move to Amendment 1...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 c1573 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say something from the Back Benches about my experience of sitting on scrutin...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 cc1573-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much obliged to my noble friend Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede for that intervention, which...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1575-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments we are talking to cover a little area and I will take them in turn if I ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 815 c1576 (Link to this contribution)

What is the method of scrutiny of that code of practice by Parliament?

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 cc1576-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that point. I will try to answer that question, but if I do not, I know the noble ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 815 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will give way, the point I was making is that there is an inconsistency in the ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. Let me deal with the out of court disposals themselves. I hope I have answered that p...

Lord Paddick | 815 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is completely unacceptable that the noble Lord has said on numerous occasions that, ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 815 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, the only reason I made that point is because I have a very long answer—I am happy to...

Lord Paddick | 815 cc1579-1580 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I point out how completely inadequate the Minister’s answers have been. He complete...

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