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High Speed Rail (West Midlands–Crewe) Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 9 September 2019, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Vere of Norbiton. The answering member was Lord Tunnicliffe.
Lords second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Select Committee.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

799 cc1295-1336 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1295-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, HS2 is a major infrastructure programme that has had substantial parliamentary support ...

Lord Adonis | 799 c1296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the Minister tell the House when the report of the review will be published?


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Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1296 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention, but perhaps I may pick up all the issues surrounding...

Lord Grocott | 799 c1296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will the Minister also say whether part of the evidence that the review takes will incl...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1296-9 (Link to this contribution)

I shall indeed cover that in my closing remarks.

It is nearly 200 years since permission wa...

Lord Snape | 799 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree that those who demand longer tunnels and deeper cuttings are usually the ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord raises an interesting point. HS2 is intended to be greater than the sum of its par...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 799 cc1299-1301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the HS2 project is an initiative of the last Labour Government and one which we still s...

Lord Teverson | 799 c1301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I congratulate the Minister on her enthusiasm about this project. It is good to ...

Lord Teverson | 799 cc1301-2 (Link to this contribution)

Nine years. If we are talking about it being completed by potentially getting up to Leeds and Man...

Lord Birt | 799 cc1302-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be echoing the enthusiasm for this project of the Minister and the noble Lord, ...

Lord Framlingham | 799 cc1304-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to spoil the consensus but I really feel as though this is Groundhog Day. I ...

Lord Adonis | 799 cc1305-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the Minister on her opening speech. As I will point out in a moment, the...

Lord Framlingham | 799 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I said it had been conducted without parliamentary consent, did I?

Lord Framlingham | 799 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to be accurate, with great respect to the noble Lord. He said that I said it had ...

Lord Adonis | 799 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

I did not. I said, “without proper parliamentary scrutiny”. There has been massive parliamentary ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 799 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Framlingham, stuck to seven minutes.

Lord Adonis | 799 cc1307-8 (Link to this contribution)

There is not a fixed time limit. I will make two more points if I may.

When the noble Lord,...

Lord Framlingham | 799 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord give way, since he is determined to take up the time of the House that nobody...

Lord Adonis | 799 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

It is a high-speed line, but from the beginning the prime case for HS2 has been additional capaci...

Lord Bradshaw | 799 cc1308-1310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the most important factor we should consider today is the impact that HS2 could have on...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble Lord has come to the end of his comments.

Lord Bradshaw | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

No. I have not been allowed enough time to debate this Bill because the Government of their own v...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may remind the noble Lord that the advisory speaking time is seven minutes. We can be q...

Lord Bradshaw | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

I am aware of the advisory speaking time. It was imposed on us by the Government’s edict.

Lord Adonis | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, regardless of what the noble Lord has said, I think that it is quite unacceptable that ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

The advisory speaking time is in deference to colleagues because we have a number of other issues...

Lord Bradshaw | 799 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but the Prorogation of Parliament has had nothing to do with me. It is entirely at th...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 799 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

Shouting at us for longer than the advisory speaking time really does not convince anyone. It doe...

Lord Greaves | 799 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

It is the Government who should have the courtesy.

Lord Bradshaw | 799 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to go on to ask when progress is expected on the route across the Pennines. Do the Go...

Lord Snape | 799 cc1311-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a former railwayman I have never made any secret of my support for this scheme, whic...

Baroness Kramer | 799 cc1313-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a strong supporter of HS2. I was before I had the privilege of becoming a Minister...

Lord Greaves | 799 cc1315-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying that I agree with pretty well everything that everybody—except for on...

Lord Adonis | 799 c1316 (Link to this contribution)

It is integral to the plan that there will be through services to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Lord Greaves | 799 cc1316-7 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely—but these things need to keep being said, because people who are not served by the par...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 799 cc1317-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to be slow in rising to my feet to speak, but I was so fascinated by the oth...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 799 cc1318-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness. I do not entirely agree with her b...

Earl of Glasgow | 799 cc1319-1320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a very short speech, because most of the points I wanted to make have alrea...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 799 cc1320-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as chair of The Woodland Trust. There may well be benefits to HS2...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 799 cc1321-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name down for this debate, but withdrew it when I feared that I would have to ...

Baroness Randerson | 799 cc1323-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start with a reference to procedure. The Government’s attempt to impose an arbitrary ...

Lord Rosser | 799 cc1326-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not only does High Speed 2 get delayed but even this debate on the Government’s latest ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this wide-ranging debate. I am heartened by the am...

Lord Rosser | 799 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Can I take it then, in the light of that comment, that the Government are not prepared to rule ou...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister has been very clear that nothing has been taken off the table. Imagine if the ...

Lord Rosser | 799 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

I would agree, if we were faced with figures such as those which appeared to completely change th...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1330-1 (Link to this contribution)

That may well be the case, but we are now talking about hypotheticals, so I suggest that we wait ...

Lord Framlingham | 799 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister at least acknowledge that the felling of trees and the damaging of ancient wood...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1332 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to the issue of ancient woodland in due course and will look into the amount of wo...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 799 c1332 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help the Minister with that. I would be delighted to send her the list of woodland ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1332 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that I may already have that list, but I would be delighted to receive it again.

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Baroness Kramer | 799 c1332 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister be willing to meet on one occasion to take up that issue of whistleblowers?

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1332-3 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to meet the noble Baroness when diaries allow.

My noble friend Lord Fr...

Lord Greaves | 799 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

On the basic point about connectivity, will the Minister confirm that, when 2b is built, the trai...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

I am unable to confirm that just at this moment, purely because I do not know, not because that d...

Lord Teverson | 799 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for going through those details, but they sound like a list of excuses...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 cc1333-4 (Link to this contribution)

I would be happy to return to this issue outside the Chamber where perhaps we could have a better...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 799 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify that I did not say that the noble Baroness was a hippy; rather, I said tha...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Goodness, okay. I offer my sincere apologies to the noble Baroness and perhaps Hansard will go ba...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 799 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

The evidence for the preservation of ancient woodlands simply does not exist; it is a myth, and I...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her intervention. I suspect that we are not going to wholly agree ...

Lord Adonis | 799 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the noble Baroness answer the question put to her on precisely when the review will...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot do that with great precision. I believe that the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, mentioned that...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 799 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps we may have a straightforward answer to the request that there should be a moratorium on ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 799 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

I am not able to provide that certainty at this moment, but I will undertake to establish exactly...

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