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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 3 December 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe and Baroness Williams of Trafford.
Lords report stage first day. Amendment to clause 1 debated and disagreed to on division (93 votes to 198). Amendments to clauses 2 and 3 debated and withdrawn. Government amendments made to clauses 3 and 4. Amendment to clause 4 agreed to on division (220 votes to 191). Part 1 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

794 cc821-864 

Session

2017-19

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

Government defeats

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fifth report.
Wednesday, 17 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Counter-terrorism and Border Security Bill 2017-19. As amended in Lords Committee.
Wednesday, 14 November 2018
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fortieth report.
Thursday, 29 November 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill
Monday, 3 December 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords

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Deposited Paper DEP2018-1263
Wednesday, 12 December 2018
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2018-1272
Tuesday, 11 December 2018
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c821 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “is sup...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 cc821-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak at rather more length than I do normally. I thought that my amendment was ...


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Baroness Hamwee | 794 cc823-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Paddick has added his name to this amendment. I want from these Be...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 794 cc825-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in considering the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, we have to look at the ...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 794 c826 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise very briefly to say that it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Harris ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c826 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too agree with the noble Lord, Lord Harris. It seems to me that this clear provision ...

Lord Paddick | 794 cc826-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not go over the arguments again. The noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c827 (Link to this contribution)

I say this with great deference to a former senior police officer, but surely the arrest conditio...

Lord Paddick | 794 c827 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the noble Lord’s intervention but, as I say, I am not going to address that poi...

Lord Judge | 794 c827 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot agree with everybody. The noble Lord, Lord Harris, made the crucial point that...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 cc827-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 1 and 2, in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and the noble Lord,...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc828-831 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords who have spoken in this debate and particularly the noble Baroness, Lady Jone...

Lord Paddick | 794 c831 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, perhaps she might address the remarks of the noble and learn...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c831 (Link to this contribution)

I heard what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, had to say, but I do not agree. I hope that ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c831 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her assurances. I do not accept that Amendment 1 nullifies Clause 1; tha...

Lord Paddick | 794 c831 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

3: Clause 2, page 2, line 2, after “if” insert “without reasona...

Lord Paddick | 794 cc831-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 3 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee. I will speak also to...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c835 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has read out only part of the grounds for arrest. There has to be a necessity for ...

Lord Paddick | 794 c835 (Link to this contribution)

I know that I am taking my life in my hands by arguing with a lawyer, but I believe that the nobl...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c835 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I cannot let this pass. If the noble Lord were to look at Section 110 of the Serious ...

Lord Paddick | 794 cc835-6 (Link to this contribution)

Sadly, I do not have the legislation in front of me, so I cannot comment. No, I will not accept t...

Lord Rosser | 794 c836 (Link to this contribution)

We support the concerns that have been expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, that, under the...

Lord Judd | 794 c837 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest because of my professional and voluntary past, as recorded in the...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc837-840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, for taking us through an explanation of his amend...

Lord Paddick | 794 c838 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation. The Government seem to be relying on the CPS c...

Earl Howe | 794 c838 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

6: Clause 3, page 2, line 44, at end insert “, or

(b) the pe...

Earl Howe | 794 cc838-842 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had detailed and insightful debates on Clause 3, particularly on the operation ...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 c841 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

7: Clause 3, in paragraph (b), leave out “the purposes of” a...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 c841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Earl says that all will become clear. I am afraid that I have another questio...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to put on record my thanks to the Government for listening to the concerns expre...

Marquess of Lothian | 794 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friend the Minister will know, the committee which I have the honour to ser...

Earl Attlee | 794 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for tabling the amendment. It is hard to think of any reason other...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 cc843-4 (Link to this contribution)

We fully support government Amendment 6 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Williams of Traff...

Earl Howe | 794 c844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, especially for the supportive comment...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 c844 (Link to this contribution)

The last words of line 40 read,

“in which at the time”

and the next line starts, “of ...

Earl Attlee | 794 c844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps if my noble friend the Minister is not absolutely certain on this point we coul...

Earl Howe | 794 cc844-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not as precise as I should have been. The words after,

“(but are not limite...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 c845 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation because it answers my point and deal...

Lord Rosser | 794 c845 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

10: Clause 4, page 3, line 13, at end insert—

“( ) If the ...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc845-6 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 4 inserts, in new Section 58B of the Terrorism Act 2000:

“It is a defence for a pers...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 c846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the burden of proof should be on the prosecution and should be seen to be on the prosec...

Lord Paddick | 794 c846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with both noble Lords. The amendment seems to be common sense. As the noble Lor...

Lord Judge | 794 c846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Section 118 got somewhat lost in the discussions earlier. I support this amendment but ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with great respect to my noble friend, and indeed to my noble and learned friend on my ...

Earl Howe | 794 cc846-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 10 returns us to an area on which we have previously had helpful and extensiv...

Lord Rosser | 794 c847 (Link to this contribution)

I am obviously disappointed by the Government’s response, although it would be wrong of me to sug...

Earl Howe | 794 cc847-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

11: Clause 4, page 3, line 19, at end insert—

“(3A) The case...

Earl Howe | 794 cc849-852 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the government amendments in this group will make a number of changes to Clause 4. Clau...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 c852 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

12: Clause 4, in subsection (3B)(a), leave out “nature” and ...

Baroness Hamwee | 794 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we also have Amendments 13, 14 and 17 in this group as amendments to the government ame...

Earl of Sandwich | 794 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I offer my support for Amendment 15. I will speak on behalf of humanitarian aid workers...

Earl Attlee | 794 c854 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for these amendments, and in particular for his response ...

Lord Judd | 794 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment; indeed I welcome the moves the Government have alread...

Lord Hylton | 794 c855 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to follow my noble friend Lord Sandwich. I welcome the Government’s amendmen...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although, I hope, properly grateful for Amendment 11, I support Amendment 15. Also in t...

Lord Judge | 794 c857 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 19. I cannot think of anything I can say that would improve on what...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc857-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have two amendments in this group. One is Amendment 15 and I have added my name to Amendment 19...

Lord Paddick | 794 c859 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I completely agree with my noble friend Lady Hamwee, who has addressed al...

Earl Howe | 794 cc859-862 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, has argued for the expansion of the Government’s list ...

Lord Rosser | 794 c863 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

15: Clause 4, page 3, line 19, at end insert—

“(3A) A pers...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, but obviously there is a difference of opinion. We feel th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c864 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

16: Clause 4, page 3, line 26, at end insert—<...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c864 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

18: Clause 4, page 4, line 18, at end insert—<...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c864 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

20: Clause 4, page 4, line 27, at end insert—<...

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