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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 25 April 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Callanan, Baroness Goldie and Lord Duncan of Springbank.
Lords report stage (3rd day). Amendment 31 to Clause 7 debated and agreed to on division (349 to 221). Amendment 40 to Clause 7 debated and disagreed to on division (169 to 211). Some amendments made. New clause (Transport Connectivity) debated and withdrawn. Clause 8 under consideration.

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790 cc1567-1650 

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2017-19

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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Lisvane | 790 c1567 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lisvane

31: Clause 7, page 5, line 3, leave out “the Minister considers...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc1567-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 31 I shall speak to the other three amendments in the group, which ...


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Lord Cormack | 790 cc1569-1570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very glad to add my name to the amendment and the others in this group. I am sure...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 790 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, suggested in his admirable speech, taking back control...

Lord Skelmersdale | 790 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have never been a self-respecting MP, nor am I ever likely to be one. The amendment w...

Lord Spicer | 790 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I enter one word of caution. The choice might not be between Parliament and Ministers, ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 790 cc1570-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I make a small contribution, having been at the birth of the Bill—if one can be a midwi...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 790 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I chair the EU Financial Affairs Sub-Committee of this House. We have been having a lot...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 c1572 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I serve as the legal assessor to regulatory panels and in the course of that, we have t...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 790 c1572 (Link to this contribution)

I completely accept the long experience that the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsham, has. I referred s...

Lord Bilimoria | 790 c1572 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to emphasise and back up what my noble friend Lord Lisvane has said. In essence,...

Lord Tyler | 790 cc1572-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a signatory to this amendment and the others in this group, I encourage Members to l...

Baroness Deech | 790 c1574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am trying to clarify what the noble Baroness, Lady Falkner, said. I think the issue i...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c1574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, and what is wrong with that?

In Committee, in a most powerful speech, the noble L...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 790 c1575 (Link to this contribution)

I intervene to ask the Minister whether he agrees with this. Although —and I support the amendmen...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c1575 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to be described as a Minister in that question—not a role that I am eager to take ...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc1575-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first thank all those who have contributed to today’s relatively brief debate, and th...

Lord Tyler | 790 c1577 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. How can what he is arguing be reconciled with the W...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1577 (Link to this contribution)

I think I have addressed that in my remarks, but I have some more comments to make which I think ...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Minister would kindly consider this question: is he saying that he would wan...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

The powers in this Bill cannot be exercised by civil servants; it has to be Ministers who make th...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

I do apologise; he is behind the Bar, so he is not quite in his place. I hope he will not mind if...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc1578-1580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate—especially for their concisi...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1580 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

32A: Clause 7, page 6, line 7, leave out “newly established or...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc1580-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to the other amendments standing in my name on the Marshalled List r...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 790 c1585 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to inform the Committee that if Amendment 32B is agreed to I cannot call Amendme...

Lord O'Donnell | 790 c1585 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I would like to thank the Minister and his officials for their work on this an...

Lord Newby | 790 c1585 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank the Minister—I fear that that will not necessarily be very common, so I am ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc1585-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend the Government for these amendments, which respond to and accept the argument...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1586 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. There were relati...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1586 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

33A: Clause 7, page 6, line 15, after “taxation” insert “or fe...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is my pleasure to lead on this group of amendments. They are simple, short and, I ho...

Baroness Kramer | 790 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

This is another opportunity to thank the Minister because some peace of mind will now be provided...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

To make sure that the Minister blushes fully, we, too, will take the opportunity to say again tha...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I thank noble Lords for their brief contributions. As I said in moving the amendment, this...

Lord Judge | 790 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

34: Clause 7, page 6, line 17, leave out “relevant”

Lord Judge | 790 cc1588-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue that these amendments give rise to is quite an important constitutional one. ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c1589 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, an indication of where the G...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1589-1593 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is important that we have returned to this issue after our debate in Committee, duri...

Lord Judge | 790 c1591 (Link to this contribution)

It is very tempting but I will not. The reason that I have been prepared to compromise with an in...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1591 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

34A: Clause 7, page 6, line 17, at end insert—

“( ) esta...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1591 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

34B: Clause 7, page 6, line 21, after “repeal” insert “the Sco...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc1594-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government recognise the vital importance of our devolution settlements and the Act...

Lord Beith | 790 c1596 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are very helpful amendments, in that they reassert respect for the constitutional...

Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 790 c1596 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me to echo what the noble Lord, Lord Beith, has said, and to thank the Mini...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1597 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Beith and Lord Griffiths, for their contributions to this short deb...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1597 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

34C: Clause 7, page 6, line 23, leave out from “repealing” to ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 c1597 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws

37: Clause 7, page 6, line 25, at end insert—<...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 cc1597-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to the incredible collaboration that takes place across Europe r...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 790 c1599 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend, and will speak in particular to Amendment 69. In Committee, ...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 790 cc1599-1600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no wish to detain the House unnecessarily, as we have already discussed this, bu...

Baroness Ludford | 790 cc1600-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just a few brief words to back up those who tabled the amendments. I was in the ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 cc1601-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Kennedy for tabling the amendments. Yesterday, not only we...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c1602 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in responding to this debate, I begin by reiterating how important the issues we have d...

Baroness Ludford | 790 cc1602-3 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but I think she said something like, “absent a proxima...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1603-4 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the noble Baroness, and I was just about to expand on what the problem is. I know that it ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 cc1604-5 (Link to this contribution)

As always, the noble Baroness speaks very warm words, and I am sure the intentions are honourable...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws

38: Clause 7, page 6, line 25, at end insert—<...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 cc1605-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 38 has been grouped with Amendments 45 and 55, all of which are seeking to do...

Lord Cormack | 790 c1607 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, speaking as a former chairman of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee in another plac...

Baroness Ludford | 790 cc1607-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches, very briefly, I just say that we share the concerns expressed in th...

Lord Rooker | 790 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think it should go unremarked in this short debate, where there is a Northern ...

Lord Dykes | 790 cc1608-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am very glad that the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, has made that point, because it is noticed and i...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is little I can add that is new to this debate. I am grateful to my noble friend ...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc1609-1610 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The Shaws, for introducing this topic and o...

Lord Blunkett | 790 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me, this is not facetious, but the words that the Minister is using are so much clearer t...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc1610-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will await that promotion when it comes. I hope that I am being as clear as I possibly can be. ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 790 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very grateful to my noble friend Lord Blunkett for drawing attention to the great...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 790 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this Motion, may I suggest that proceedings on Report should begin again not ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly puzzled as to why the House would seek to rise at 6.36 pm for a break. The normal t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 790 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

There is a proposition before the House that we adjourn debate on Report. I took the trouble of h...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Chief Whip. It is a very wise and sensible move to have a dinner b...

Lord Newby | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, just said. It is 6.40 pm. It would be un...

Lord Cormack | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

We can negate it with our voices—we do not need to go into the Lobbies.

Lord Newby | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that the mood of the House is to negate it—and the quicker we do it, the better.

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

I am mindful that the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, is in his place this evening. I do remember him ge...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps it was. Part of the difficulty here is that we had agreed via the usual channels to have ...

Baroness Vere of Norbiton | 790 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move that the Motion be withdrawn.

Lord Trees | 790 cc1613-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Trees

40: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—

“EU Pr...

Lord Trees | 790 cc1614-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by thanking your Lordships as I am very hungry to get on with this debate. Howe...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 790 cc1615-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 40 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Trees, to which I have added...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 790 cc1616-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak in support of Amendment 40, to which I have attached my name, and will al...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc1617-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very much in favour of the idea that lies behind the amendment of the noble Lord, ...

Lord Wigley | 790 c1618 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly in support of the amendment moved by the noble Lord on the question...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 790 c1618 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to follow up on what my noble and learned friend Lord Hope said. He referred to ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 790 cc1618-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Trees, has introduced the amendment in his characteristically pers...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 790 c1619 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very sympathetic to this amendment’s aims, and have been ever since we joined the ...

Lord Judge | 790 c1619 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add my voice and underline, if I may, how serious the issue arising under sub...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c1620 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the subject of animals is an extremely important one and I have great sympathy with the...

Baroness Byford | 790 cc1620-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to these amendments. I am one of perhaps three or four people in t...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 790 cc1621-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 40 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Trees, to which I have added...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 790 c1622 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is making a powerful speech but will she deal with the important issue of judicia...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 790 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

I am always loath to argue with noble and learned Lords on technical legal matters.

Lord Rooker | 790 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may suggest a reply to my noble friend. I am being practical now. We are in charge of o...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 790 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, I thank my noble friend for his helpful advice. He must be right.

We of course sup...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc1623-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me start by being crystal clear about the Government’s commitment to animal welfare...

Lord Trees | 790 cc1626-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this stimulating and interesting de...

Lord Lisvane | 790 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lisvane

42: Clause 8, page 6, line 34, leave out “the Minister consider...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard

43: Clause 8, page 6, line 40, at end insert—

...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 cc1627-1632 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 43 is in my name and those of the noble Baronesses, Lady Hayter and Lady Kramer, and th...

Baroness Ludford | 790 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches support the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, who is arguin...

Lord Cormack | 790 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

As my name is on the amendment, I merely endorse what my friend the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, and th...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 cc1632-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it seems appropriate for me to speak to Amendment 47, in my name and that of the noble ...

Lord Berkeley | 790 c1633 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Baroness confirm that seed potatoes are part of the problem? If they are sown on bo...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c1633 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has the advantage over me. I was not thinking so much of potato seeds but the fact...

Lord Beith | 790 cc1633-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, notwithstanding the noble Baroness’s arguments, I want to address this group from a dif...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 c1635 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly about Clause 8 but, like the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh, I have...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc1635-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is late at night and I cannot resist it. For the Liberal Democrats who were in coalition with ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1636-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate as well as those who have w...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c1637 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the reading by the Minister and the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, of whether one has ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1638-9 (Link to this contribution)

Or offer up a prayer, one or the other. My noble friend Lord Callanan says we are seeking to cont...

Baroness Ludford | 790 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if this is not quite the right moment to ask the Minister to clarify something; I do ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

We are seeking to remain part of the international treaties to which we are party, through negoti...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend comment on one more point? The clarification that I was seeking relates to ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1639-1641 (Link to this contribution)

I am reluctant to disappoint my noble friend, but that is all germane to the negotiations and I h...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c1641 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her response and I look forward to a letter on the EEA/EFTA member...

Lord Callanan | 790 c1642 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

47A: Clause 8, leave out Clause 8

Lord Whitty | 790 c1642 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

48: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—

“Tran...

Lord Whitty | 790 cc1642-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 48 is in my name and in the name of my noble friend Lord Judd. I have often r...

Lord Judd | 790 c1644 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always good to support my noble friend Lord Whitty. He invariably brings to our d...

Lord Berkeley | 790 cc1644-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my two noble friends who have spoken to this amendment. I declare an interest...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 c1645 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have been told frequently that this Bill is about providing legal certainty on the d...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 790 cc1645-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I look at this amendment and note that it is about the continuity and safety of transpo...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c1646 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have bags of energy here; let me try to reassure the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, t...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 790 c1646 (Link to this contribution)

That statement implies that the negotiations have started. If so, it would be good to have some r...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc1647-8 (Link to this contribution)

That was a general observation, not a specific comment; I referred to the general process of nego...

Lord Berkeley | 790 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister just explain something on the question of railway safety? The present system i...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord raises an important point. Again, I have to say that yes, that will be part of the...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 790 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

I was dismissive not of the value of the meetings but of the level of assurance.

Baroness Goldie | 790 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his clarification. This issue will continue to be an important factor ...

Lord Whitty | 790 cc1649-1650 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness was doing quite well until her last sentence. I take a limited amoun...

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