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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 21 February 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Callanan.
Lords committee stage first day (part one of two). Clause 1 under discussion.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

789 cc128-203 

Session

2017-19

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Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Wednesday, 21 February 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Wigley | 789 c128 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, at beginning insert “Subject to sub...

Lord Wigley | 789 cc129-133 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as well as moving Amendment 1 standing in my name on the Order Paper, I shall refer to ...


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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 789 c130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments, and in particular Amendment 5. The amendment proposed by th...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 789 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord is addressing Amendment 5, which is not in this group—and I shall no ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 789 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to stand corrected and apologise.

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 cc130-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 136, which is in my name alone. Clause 1 is the crux of the B...

Lord Adonis | 789 c135 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is herself a distinguished lawyer, and she has raised one of the critical issu...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 c135 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, but he places too great an emphasis on my legal abilities. I pre...

Lord Newby | 789 cc135-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 6, one of the earlier amendments in the group. It would...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 789 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to take up the theme of the noble Lord, Lord Newby, yesterday I went to 100 Parliament ...

Viscount Hailsham | 789 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin with an apology to your Lordships’ House. Because of professional engagements I...

Lord Robathan | 789 c139 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my noble friend entirely about putting the country before party. He mentioned that n...

Viscount Hailsham | 789 c139 (Link to this contribution)

It is the business of Parliament to form a judgment. We will come to other debates fairly soon—in...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 c140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to address Amendments 152, 197 and 206, on the matter of the customs union. Befo...

Lord Cavendish of Furness | 789 c140 (Link to this contribution)

Would it not be true to say that the sovereign Parliament gave the people the decision through th...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 c140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have explained, I do not accept that we are in any way under instruction from anyb...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 cc140-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way for the moment; I would like to make a bit of progress.

I agree with th...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate but since it seems that no one else is going...

Baroness Kramer | 789 c144 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could make a suggestion to the noble Lord. If he were to go to 100 Parliament Street an...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c144 (Link to this contribution)

There are calculations that say that. No doubt when the noble Baroness comes to make her speech, ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c144 (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords jeer but are they really going to say that a piece of paper with a statistic somehow ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c144 (Link to this contribution)

I assume this is not a point of order but a point of information.

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 c144 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord and would like to give a point of information to him. We already ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the noble Lord misheard me, whether I misspoke or whether he misunderstood....

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 cc145-6 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make a little more progress, as this is taking rather a long time. The rules of o...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 c146 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend not agree with me and the noble Lord, Lord Davies, on animal hygiene? Given ...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c146 (Link to this contribution)

Even in Northern Ireland, we have some checks already. There will have to be checks, as there are...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c146 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to finish a sentence without being interrupted. The EU negotiates free trade agreeme...

Lord Adonis | 789 c146 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord referred to Turkey twice. On the first occasion when he referred to Turkey he said...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 cc146-7 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord knows very well, Turkey aspires—that aspiration may now be fading—to join the E...

Lord Liddle | 789 c147 (Link to this contribution)

On the customs union, as a pro-European in his youth, the noble Lord will be aware that the custo...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c147 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the noble Lord is not intentionally misleading the House when he talks about the argume...

Lord Bilimoria | 789 cc148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am supporting and have added my name to Amendment 206 in the name of the noble Barone...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 789 c150 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord recall that we made very good progress in the European Union in trying to neg...

Lord Bilimoria | 789 cc150-2 (Link to this contribution)

Well, we have worked for a long time to do a free trade deal with India, and it is in the offing....

Lord Hain | 789 c151 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in greater length on the second group but I want to touch on just a few po...

Lord Fox | 789 cc151-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Newby and the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, spoke of Kafka in the base...

Lord True | 789 c154 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had intended to intervene after an hour to don a Wigan shirt against the Manchester C...

Lord True | 789 c154 (Link to this contribution)

I have only just begun. I will give way later to the noble Lord. If I may continue this section o...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 789 c155 (Link to this contribution)

This is material to what the noble Lord is saying.

Lord True | 789 c155 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the noble Lord later if he is kind and polite and stops interrupting. I will p...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 789 c155 (Link to this contribution)

For those of us who sat through nearly 180 speeches at Second Reading, it is rather galling, when...

Lord True | 789 c155 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord goes directly to the point. He wishes to know why I was unable to be her...

Lord True | 789 c155 (Link to this contribution)

I was honouring an engagement. It was not a social engagement: I was teaching medieval Greek cult...

Lord True | 789 cc155-6 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will continue. The noble Lord has asked me not to talk too much. Let us have a debate...

Lord True | 789 c156 (Link to this contribution)

It passed the parliamentary rules. If a Bill goes through the other Chamber, it must be construed...

Lord Taverne | 789 cc156-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if these amendments were adopted by the Government, it is possible that there would be ...

Lord Robathan | 789 c157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in 1997, I—together with other Members of this House, including, I recall, the noble Lo...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 789 c157 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord recall Mr Boris Johnson’s riposte to the Prime Minister? He said, “Nobody is ...

Lord Robathan | 789 cc157-8 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has a much better memory than me: no, I do not. But then I do not agree with every...

Baroness Crawley | 789 c158 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that the analysis he has just been talking about was a cross-governmen...

Lord Robathan | 789 c158 (Link to this contribution)

Of course it was put together by civil servants. I have worked with civil servants and I rate the...

Lord Adonis | 789 c158 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord tell us whether he agrees with those Conservatives who, in the past week, hav...

Lord Robathan | 789 c158 (Link to this contribution)

That is slightly off the current debate, but no, I do not. I think that the Good Friday agreement...

Lord Adonis | 789 c159 (Link to this contribution)

What would the noble Lord like to move on to?

Lord Robathan | 789 c159 (Link to this contribution)

This is nothing to do with what we are speaking about. I am not sure whether the noble Lord, Lord...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c159 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene at this stage because it is important noble Lords know that the European Un...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Baroness tell the House what happened before the Republic of Ireland and the United...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord at all aware of the number of times there were bombings of customs posts? Is he...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Can I ask the noble Baroness a couple of questions about the border? Does she think it is an extr...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with the underlying sentiments that have just been expressed by the noble ...

Lord Hain | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the noble Lord’s question is that we joined the European Union at the same time as ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I should explain that the European Union Select Committee has just been in Brussels—in fact, we r...

Lord Green of Deddington | 789 c161 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness finally finishes, is there not a slightly troubling aspect to this? I t...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c161 (Link to this contribution)

It is the very opposite. It is the fact that peace has been secured. That is one of the great ach...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 789 c161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether it might not be an idea to hear from the Minister at this stage. I hav...

Lord Adonis | 789 c161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that the noble Lord should intervene to cut short this debate. There are...

Baroness Kramer | 789 cc161-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 89 to which I had the privilege of adding my name. I want to...

Lord Green of Deddington | 789 c163 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may make a brief point. The noble Baroness is absolutely right about India. What is mis...

Baroness Kramer | 789 c164 (Link to this contribution)

The answer that I give to the noble Lord, Lord Green, is one that would be given by many people i...

Baroness Humphreys | 789 cc164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at this stage of the debate and with the indulgence of the Committee, I wish to return ...

Lord Cavendish of Furness | 789 cc165-6 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my interest as in the register: I am a businessman. I would love to lock horns with the...

Lord Cavendish of Furness | 789 c166 (Link to this contribution)

Is he not respected by the Labour Party? I thought he was. He went on to warn that we would be so...

Lord Newby | 789 c166 (Link to this contribution)

That is simply untrue. The position of these Benches has been that the House of Lords has a very ...

Lord Cavendish of Furness | 789 c166 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord did not see behind him, but there were some signs of affirmation there when I said...

Lord Wigley | 789 c166 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord had listened to the speech I made, he would know that I accept the fact that th...

Lord Cavendish of Furness | 789 c167 (Link to this contribution)

That has been thoroughly debated. I think people did understand; certainly, people in Cumbria und...

Baroness McDonagh | 789 c167 (Link to this contribution)

I am prepared to lock horns with the noble Lord on Amendment 206, which I support. I have some qu...

Baroness Altmann | 789 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 6, 7, 162, 197 and others, regarding protecting our position in th...

Lord Robathan | 789 c168 (Link to this contribution)

I am awfully sorry, but I hope my noble friend has read the Conservative manifesto, which, in onl...

Lord Robathan | 789 c168 (Link to this contribution)

Not enough, but a staggering number.

Baroness Altmann | 789 c168 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lord Lamont and others have said that other countries manage without being in the...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 789 c168 (Link to this contribution)

Could my noble friend tell me which country is more integrated with the EU: Switzerland or Britai...

Baroness Altmann | 789 cc168-9 (Link to this contribution)

The industrial success of the British economy is based on the integrated supply chains. The jobs ...

Lord Adonis | 789 c169 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three amendments in this group, Amendments 4, 152 and 225, but I broadly support...

Lord Judd | 789 c169 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend not agree that perhaps the most irresponsible aspect of the remarks that ha...

Lord Adonis | 789 cc169-172 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I could not agree more with my noble friend, nor with all those other noble Lords who h...

Baroness Ludford | 789 cc171-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot match the dazzling intellectual exposition of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, but...

Lord True | 789 c174 (Link to this contribution)

If we have another referendum on the question of whether we should leave the European Union, to m...

Baroness Ludford | 789 c174 (Link to this contribution)

As many of the noble Lord’s soulmates often say, it would actually be a third referendum—so you p...

Lord Robathan | 789 c174 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness talked about patronising the British people. I think that all politicians are ...

Baroness Ludford | 789 cc174-5 (Link to this contribution)

Actually, there is growing support in the opinion polls for people taking control themselves. I t...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 789 cc175-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a valuable and, indeed, an enjoyable debate, but it is particularly impor...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc177-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great honour to contribute to the first day in Committee on this historic Bill....

Lord Adonis | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Government publish the legal advice they have had in respect of that proposed procedure ...

Lord Callanan | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord knows the answer to that question.

Lord Callanan | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

We are not going to publish confidential legal advice. That has been the position of previous Gov...

Lord Callanan | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have given way to the noble Lord once. I have answered his question. I have referred to his...

Baroness Goldie | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

If I can have silence, may I address the Chamber? It is important that this debate proceeds, even...

Lord Adonis | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

He has taken one intervention so far.

Baroness Goldie | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister can use his own discretion about what he considers appropriate. I do not thi...

Lord Adonis | 789 c178 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say so, the Minister has limited experience of this House. He may not be aware that in C...

Lord Callanan | 789 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I responded to the noble Lord’s question about the legal advice and to the other points that have...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has been most gracious in replying to one part of my question, but not the other ...

Lord Callanan | 789 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the regulations of the EEA will continue during the implementation period. For ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 789 c180 (Link to this contribution)

There were a number of other questions, such as the one I raised on regulations, that are absolut...

Lord Callanan | 789 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a huge amount of work being done by various economists, lobby groups, institut...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister puzzled me slightly just then by saying that once the implementation phase—that piec...

Lord Callanan | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

With great respect to the noble Lord, I do not think I said that we would preserve the present re...

Baroness McDonagh | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I do not feel that any of my questions were addressed. I apologise to the Committee, but I have t...

Lord Callanan | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought we were here to discuss the Bill. We have spent three hours and 20 minutes de...

Baroness McDonagh | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise; I will make another attempt because I do not feel that I am making my questions unde...

Lord Callanan | 789 c181 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the statements made by the Secretaries of State in the other place are true and va...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister was on his feet for just 12 minutes dealing with a debate that had taken o...

Lord Callanan | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I realise that. I apologise if the noble Lord is disappointed but I was trying to address what is...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to say this, but the amendments were taken by the Public Bill Office as being in scope...

Lord Adonis | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister finishes after the very short intervention that he has just made, I...

Lord Callanan | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to clarify for the noble Lord that we remain completely committed to the Good Friday a...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 789 c182 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has been accused of not being very experienced. I point out to those Members oppo...

Lord Wigley | 789 cc182-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since we have come to the end of this interesting debate, as the mover of the first ame...

Lord Adonis | 789 c183 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Adonis

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out “on exit day” and insert ...

Lord Adonis | 789 cc183-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 3, which would leave out “on exit day” and insert,

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Lord Hain | 789 cc185-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having added my name to the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Adonis, I wa...

Viscount Hailsham | 789 c189 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord concluded his remarks by saying, effectively, that it should be Parliame...

Lord Triesman | 789 cc189-191 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make clear my unequivocal support for the last three speeches. The critical i...

Lord Tyler | 789 cc191-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to emulate either the forensic skill or the eloquence of those who have a...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 789 cc192-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am somewhat confused by this debate because it has been suggested that the Government...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 cc193-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard some excellent speeches on these amendments. I particularly commend the b...

Lord True | 789 cc194-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord opposite who just spoke constantly makes disparaging references to membe...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 789 cc196-7 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to respond briefly to what the noble Lord, Lord True, has said. He refers to the Ar...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 789 c197 (Link to this contribution)

If the House of Commons voted by an overwhelming majority to move Article 50, surely that was don...

Lord Elton | 789 c197 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask a question for elucidation—I may have missed something. The noble Lord, Lord Ad...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 789 c197 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to offer an addendum to what the noble Lord has said. In a way, it is a response to ...

Lord Adonis | 789 c197 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask the noble Lord, Lord Kerr—the supreme oracle on Article 50—a question which, ag...

Lord Liddle | 789 c198 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to follow that up with a relevant question to the noble Lord, Lord Kerr. I agree wit...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 789 c198 (Link to this contribution)

To respond simply to the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, it would be a political issue, not a legal or a...

Lord True | 789 c198 (Link to this contribution)

It is very interesting that the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, has added a fifth element to the dandeli...

Baroness Ludford | 789 c199 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this issue is linked to those under Clauses 9 and 14 about the withdrawal agreement and...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 789 cc199-200 (Link to this contribution)

My first question to the Minister is: why did the Government slot in the calendar date at Committ...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc201-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disappoint the noble Baroness, but we will be having a number of Brexit Bills, not ...

Lord Tyler | 789 c202 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for seeking to clarify the point about process, and I take on board...

Lord Callanan | 789 c202 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am giving the noble Lord an assurance that the normal timescale of the affirmative procedu...

Lord Adonis | 789 c203 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and to all noble Lords who have spoken. We will need...

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