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Space Industry Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 32 agreed to. Schedules 1 to 5 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

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785 cc403-461 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Space Industry Bill (HL) 2017-19
Tuesday, 27 June 2017
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 12 July 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Space Industry Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) second report.
Wednesday, 6 September 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee second report.
Wednesday, 13 September 2017
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord McNally | 785 c403 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

1: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Pote...

Lord McNally | 785 cc404-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always very encouraging, when one is in the position of the first item of busines...


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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 785 c405 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord’s amendment is excellent but I do not want to speak about...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc405-6 (Link to this contribution)

I just add one or two brief comments to what the noble Lord, Lord McNally, quite rightly said, se...

Baroness Randerson | 785 cc406-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are 38,000 jobs in the UK in the space sector, and they are top-quality, well-pai...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc407-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord McNally, very much for his initial comments and his...

Lord McNally | 785 c408 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord McNally | 785 c408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Impa...

Lord McNally | 785 cc408-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in introducing the first amendment, I mentioned the good work that successive Governmen...

Lord Willetts | 785 c409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord McNally, for his kind remarks. I declare an interest as a ...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc409-410 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest, which I declared at Second Reading, of living in sight of Prestw...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc410-1 (Link to this contribution)

I shall take that last point first and thank my noble friend Lord Moynihan for his support. It is...

Lord McNally | 785 c411 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we shall now move to the nitty-gritty of what is essentially a planning Bill with lots ...

Lord Rosser | 785 c411 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

3: Clause 2, page 2, line 25, at end insert—

“( ) the effe...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc412-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill has been drawn up with the objectives and the future of the spaceflight indust...

Baroness Randerson | 785 cc413-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord has said, there is very little mention in the Bill of the environment...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc414-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, under this Bill the number one priority for the regulator will be, quite rightly, to en...

Lord Rosser | 785 c416 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. Obviously, the issue of the significance or otherwise of s...

Lord Callanan | 785 c416 (Link to this contribution)

That is true, but it does not exempt operators from the relevant planning provisions.

Lord Rosser | 785 cc416-7 (Link to this contribution)

But it would exempt the person from some of the duties in Clause 2, which would be covered by the...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c417 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moynihan

4: Clause 3, page 3, line 16, leave out “spaceflight activitie...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc417-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to make a short probing amendment. Before I do, may I say how much

Lord Callanan | 785 cc418-9 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my noble friend’s enthusiastic promotion of his local airfield. I am sure his co...

Lord Lucas | 785 c419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I may have misheard, of course, but I did not hear my noble friend the Minister address...

Lord Rosser | 785 c420 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to prevent an answer to the noble Lord’s question but if the Minister is going to r...

Lord Callanan | 785 c420 (Link to this contribution)

I thought I had responded to it but I will reflect on the point that he has made.

Lord Rosser | 785 c420 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, moved an amendment to Clause 3 and the Minister went on to talk ab...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc420-1 (Link to this contribution)

I shall first address the noble Lord’s question. It is considered that the activity of operating ...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his response and for the intervention from my no...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c422 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moynihan

5: Clause 7, page 6, line 39, after “guidance” insert “in regu...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc422-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 5 I will also address Amendments 6, 9, 10, 25 to 28, 30 and 31. Fir...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc423-4 (Link to this contribution)

I must say that I rather support the thrust of the points that the noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, has...

Lord Fox | 785 c424 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at this stage, I declare my financial interest in GKN and Smiths Group, both of which p...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 785 cc424-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that I was unable to speak at Second Reading on this important Bill, but I h...

Baroness Sugg | 785 cc425-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for allowing me the opportunity to explain the Government’s approach to s...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc426-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for her response. She cites the case of Monarch and passeng...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c427 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

7: Clause 9, page 7, line 37, leave out “to (4)” and insert...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 cc427-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 7, I shall speak also to Amendments 8, 11 and 12 in this group. The...

Baroness Randerson | 785 cc429-430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with the intention behind these amendments. In preparing for the Bil...

Lord Callanan | 785 c430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, for t...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c430 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord will accept that the Health and Safety Executive in the permissioned industries—fo...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc430-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that point shortly.

I am confident that the approach we are taking is app...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c431 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the interests of time, I will withdraw the amendment. However, my immediate reaction...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c431 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

15: Clause 11, page 8, line 37, leave out subsection (2)

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 cc431-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I said that the previous group of amendments was probing. We had had time with the Mini...

Lord Fox | 785 c432 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, for missing the first couple of words ...

Lord Willetts | 785 cc432-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will comment briefly on this set of amendments. The noble Lord, Lord Fox, has put the...

Lord Callanan | 785 c433 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen in the speeches the different approaches that noble Lords wish the Government to tak...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c433 (Link to this contribution)

The purpose of the amendments was to bring out precisely, in simple words, what the Government wa...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc434-6 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s point and that of the noble Lord, Lord Fox. The noble Lord, Lord Willetts...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c437 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend just informed the Committee that, particularly in the context of Clause 33(5) and...

Lord Callanan | 785 c437 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend makes an important point. I emphasise that we are in listening mode on this issue...

Lord Willetts | 785 c437 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with what my noble friend Lord Moynihan said. Will the Minister share with the ...

Lord Callanan | 785 c437 (Link to this contribution)

I am aware that this is a matter of great concern, which is why I went into so much detail about ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c438 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister went into exactly the sort of detail we were looking for. I stress that I am not hos...

Lord Callanan | 785 c438 (Link to this contribution)

There is no simple answer to that question. It would depend on the conditions of the licence issu...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c438 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord likely to be able to shed light on this issue before Report?

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c438 (Link to this contribution)

I hope noble Lords will agree that this exchange was worth while, because we have the record, whi...

Lord McNally | 785 c439 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

16: Clause 11, page 8, line 38, at end insert—

“( ) Withi...

Lord McNally | 785 c439 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened to that debate, I feel this amendment should perhaps have been grouped ...

Lord Callanan | 785 c439 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps there could be a box at the bottom he could tick to say he has fully understood the debat...

Lord McNally | 785 c439 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I know that every Minister wishes that was there.

I thought that the opening from the ...

Lord Willetts | 785 c439 (Link to this contribution)

I will add one comment to that. I thank the Minister, who has already given a full and lucid acco...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc440-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can answer the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, directly: a constellation can be launched w...

Lord McNally | 785 c441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those who asked us to table this amendment will read the Minister’s reply. In the meant...

Lord McNally | 785 c441 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

17: Clause 12, page 9, line 19, at end insert—

“( ) Where...

Lord McNally | 785 cc441-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a historic moment for me because this is when I take the Liberal Democrats into...

Lord Dykes | 785 c442 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for not hearing the earlier parts of the debate. Is not what the noble Lord is saying...

Lord McNally | 785 c442 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, the noble Lord, Lord Dykes, was not here for my first amendment, which would have ...

Baroness Randerson | 785 c442 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Bill stands, there is no obligation to get down what you have put up into space....

Lord Willetts | 785 c442 (Link to this contribution)

There is indeed a problem with space debris. The aim is not to bring it back to earth—although I ...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc443-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in his introduction the noble Lord, Lord McNally, said that he was taking the Liberal D...

Lord McNally | 785 c444 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of those assurances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Moynihan | 785 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moynihan

19: Clause 12, page 9, line 44, at end insert—

“( ) The ...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc444-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to Amendment 19, for the sake of the record I shall say that the noble L...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc445-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for making an important point and for tabling this amendment on what is a...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c446 (Link to this contribution)

That was an outstanding and exceptionally helpful answer from my noble friend on this important s...

Lord Rosser | 785 c446 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

22: Clause 14, page 10, line 16, at end insert—

“( ) The r...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc446-7 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 14(1) states:

“A licence under this Act may be transferred with the written consent ...

Lord Fox | 785 c447 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. We welcome this probing amendment because this issue is very impo...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc447-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 14 enables a licensee to transfer their licence to another party, provided that ...

Lord Rosser | 785 c448 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply and the noble Lord, Lord Fox, for his valuable contribution to...

Lord Callanan | 785 c448 (Link to this contribution)

I will reflect on that and come back to the noble Lord on it.

Lord Rosser | 785 c448 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Randerson | 785 cc448-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

23: Clause 15, page 11, line 18, at end insert—

“( ...

Baroness Randerson | 785 c449 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment relates to the capacity and resourcing of the regulator. One assumes that it is to...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc449-450 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her amendment. It is quite right to seek clarity on who will regul...

Lord Fox | 785 c450 (Link to this contribution)

I have a question on the previous point about the CAA clearly being ready to embrace this new res...

Lord Callanan | 785 c450 (Link to this contribution)

We are confident that the expertise in and knowledge of regulating aviation in the CAA is suffici...

Baroness Randerson | 785 c450 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I will read Hansard carefully, because I think that there ...

Lord Fox | 785 c451 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Fox

24: After Clause 15, insert the following new Clause—

“Report...

Lord Fox | 785 c451 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord McNally has appointed me as his mouthpiece on earth for this amend...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we discussed, the Government intend to use the regulatory expertise in the UK Space ...

Lord Fox | 785 c452 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of that clarification, I thank the Minister and withdraw the amendment.

Lord Moynihan | 785 c452 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moynihan

29: Schedule 4, page 53, line 38, at end insert “including thr...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc452-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to drones, a serious issue already rightly raised from the Liber...

Baroness Randerson | 785 c453 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to say briefly how pleased I am that the noble Lord has raised this issue. I have already ...

Lord Balfe | 785 cc453-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by reminding the Committee that I am the vice president of the British Airline ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 cc454-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too would like to own up to trying to find some way of squirrelling drones into this ...

Lord Callanan | 785 c455 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate, which allows me to explain at length ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 785 c455 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister’s answer so far implies that there is no risk from drones weighing less than 250 gra...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc455-6 (Link to this contribution)

We did extensive safety tests in conjunction with BALPA, and released a detailed report on the si...

Lord Fox | 785 c456 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned Project Chatham. Who is accountable and leading Project Chatham?

Lord Callanan | 785 c456 (Link to this contribution)

As far as I am aware, it is the Department for Transport, my department, which is doing it, but I...

Lord Moynihan | 785 cc456-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend the Minister. I thought that he might well mention Schedule...

Lord Callanan | 785 c457 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for forgetting to address the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, about l...

Lord Moynihan | 785 c457 (Link to this contribution)

On that constructive note, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Rosser | 785 c457 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

32: Clause 32, page 23, line 32, at end insert—

“( ) An en...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc457-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have just about recovered from the shock of hearing the noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, refer to not...

Lord Fox | 785 cc458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, set out, Clause 32 as it stands offers strong powers to...

Lord Callanan | 785 cc459-460 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their consideration of the significant powers in this clause, which we re...

Lord Rosser | 785 cc460-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply and thank the noble Lord, Lord Fox, for speaking to his amendm...

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