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Higher Education and Research Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 8 March 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Duke of Wellington.
Lords report stage second day. Part 1 of 2. Some amendments agreed to. Lords amendment 72 to clause 26 agreed on division (280 to 186). New clause (Lords amendment 100) agreed to. Lords amendment 116A (to New clause amendment 116) agreed to on division (201 to 186). Lords amendment 117 to clause 46 agreed to on division (185 to 151).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

779 cc1361-1427 

Session

2016-17

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Higher Education and Research Bill 2016-17. As amended in Committee.
Monday, 30 January 2017
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2017-0247
Monday, 20 March 2017
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Duke of Wellington | 779 c1361 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Duke of Wellington

62: Clause 26, page 16, line 10, leave out “give rati...

Duke of Wellington | 779 cc1361-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that this does not have quite the interest of yesterday’s debate on the withd...


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Lord Blunkett | 779 cc1362-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register. I shall speak to Amendment 72 in my ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 779 c1363 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments proposed by the noble Duke, the Duke of Wellington. I have add...

Lord Lipsey | 779 cc1363-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 69 on the National Student Survey and Amendment 67 on postpo...

Lord Lucas | 779 cc1367-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 68 in this group. I support very much what my noble frien...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 779 c1368 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I could tell your Lordships’ House a story, which follows on entirely ...

Lord Winston | 779 cc1368-9 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, support this group of amendments. Rather bizarrely, just as this debate started—it is not...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 779 cc1369-1370 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments moved by the noble Duke and spoken to by the noble Lord. I dec...

Baroness Blackstone | 779 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add a few words to what has already been said. I very much agree with most of...

Baroness Eccles of Moulton | 779 cc1371-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say a few words about the teaching excellence framework, but before I do that...

Lord Bew | 779 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 69, which is in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey. I ...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 779 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe we can get this right. I declare, or confess, a life spent in higher educatio...

Baroness Cohen of Pimlico | 779 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments. In allowing the simple-minded rankings of bronze, silver or g...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 779 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too very strongly support this group of amendments. I share the very great concern ex...

Lord Storey | 779 cc1374-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the Minister for listening and in some respects changing some of the iss...

Lord Judd | 779 cc1375-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with those who have expressed deep anxiety about the impact of this gold, silve...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 cc1376-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 62 to 66, 88 and 93, tabled by the noble Duke, the Duke o...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 779 cc1377-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a passionate debate, which reflects accurately that this is the most cont...

Lord Oxburgh | 779 cc1378-9 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for not being faster to my feet to intervene slightly earlier before the last speaker...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1379-1380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is clear from today’s debate and those that preceded it that many noble Lords feel p...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 779 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Viscount for giving way. I am trying very hard to understand his ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1380-1 (Link to this contribution)

I take note of what the noble Lord has said. I will be saying more about this in a moment. I unde...

Lord Bilimoria | 779 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. Will he confirm that when the Government carried out the con...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

We continue to listen, and I have said that we are beefing up our lessons-learned exercise. To co...

Lord Lucas | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

But is it not true that in the Government’s proposed system 20% of universities will always be in...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my noble friend is making an assumption that 20% represents bronze. The gold, silver...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that he is missing one of the key points of this debate? A university is...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I respect the noble Lord’s experience. We have had discussions outside the Chamber about the data...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may complete my sentence. It is not just looking at the gold, silver and bronze ratings...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister quoted the University of Cambridge. In its most recent briefing, dated 3 M...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may make some progress, but I would like to say again that the lessons-learned exercise...

Baroness Deech | 779 cc1382-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I might have misunderstood him, but would the Minister kindly clarify that he is now pr...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1383 (Link to this contribution)

There is no badge of shame. It is simply that we want to clarify that gold, silver and bronze occ...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1383 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel as though I must have read a different ONS report from the one given to the Mini...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1383-5 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may move on to the NSS, in particular to the amendments spoken to by the noble Lords, L...

Duke of Wellington | 779 c1385 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this debate about various ame...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1386 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

70: Clause 26, page 16, line 43, leave out subsec...

Lord Blunkett | 779 c1386 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Blunkett

72: Clause 26, leave out Clause 26 and insert the following ne...

Lord Blunkett | 779 c1386 (Link to this contribution)

In light of the Minister’s response and, with respect, the fact that things have got worse rather...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1390 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

74: Clause 27, page 17, line 14, after “are” inse...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1390-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 74 and I shall speak to our government amendments first, before...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 cc1391-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I reiterate my support for the government amendment to which I have put my name because...

Lord Storey | 779 c1392 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank the Government for their amendments, which are much needed and beneficial. ...

Lord Willetts | 779 cc1392-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I briefly intervene in this debate to welcome the proposals that the Government have no...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 779 cc1394-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is worth reflecting that we had quite a long discussion of this issue in Committee, ...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 779 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have nothing against new providers coming in. I should declare that I taught for 14 y...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Wolf, and all noble Lords for their comments on our am...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1396 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

75: Clause 27, page 17, line 14, at end insert “,...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1396-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

79: Schedule 4, page 86, line 32, at end insert—<...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1397 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

83: Clause 28, page 17, line 34, leave out from “...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1397 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

89: Clause 31, page 19, line 26, leave out “appli...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

99: Clause 36, page 21, line 32, at end insert—

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1398-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

100: After Clause 37, insert the following new Cl...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1399 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move.

Amendment 100A (to Amendment 100)

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 779 c1399 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Willis of Knaresborough

100A: After Clause 37, in subsection (1)(c), le...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 779 cc1399-1401 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for Amendment 100. We had a quick gloss over this the other day, and I sough...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 779 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment for all the good reasons that he has given. In ad...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 779 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the reason for this amendment but am not sure that it is appropriate, beca...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 779 cc1401-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is quite a complicated matter for higher education providers—as I have learned to ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government take the views of the noble Lord, Lord Willis, on student transfer very ...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 779 cc1402-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have spoken in this brief debate. It was certainly worth raisin...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

101: Clause 38, page 22, line 11, leave out “or by ano...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these minor and technical amendments simply clarify the drafting of the Bill; they ensu...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

102: Clause 38, page 22, line 14, leave out “or by ano...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich

104: Clause 41, page 24, line 11, leave out paragra...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 cc1403-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very small amendment and I rather hope that it is a tidying-up amendment that...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her explanation. She tried to link it with the ...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I do not find the answer satisfactory, because I still do not see why, in that...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

105: Clause 41, page 25, line 2, at end insert—

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1405 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

107: Clause 43, page 25, line 30, at end insert—<...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1405-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have always been clear that the OfS’s powers to revoke degree-awarding powers or uni...

Bishop of Oxford | 779 cc1406-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my right reverend friend the Bishop of Winchester is unable to be in his place this eve...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 779 c1407 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I briefly express our support, as shown by the fact that we have signed up to those ame...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1407-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I will be happy to write a letter to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, which I hop...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

108: Clause 43, page 25, line 31, leave out from ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

111: Clause 44, page 25, line 35, leave out “or a...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1409-1411 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

116: After Clause 44, insert the following new Cl...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move.

Amendment 116A (to Amendment 116)

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich

116A: After Clause 44, at end insert—

“( ) Th...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 cc1411-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened carefully to the Minister’s response on this and I have to say that I was ra...

Lord Judge | 779 c1415 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

117: Clause 46, page 27, line 24, leave out from “appeal” to end ...

Lord Judge | 779 cc1415-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as the commissary for the University of Cambridge and a visiting...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 779 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak very briefly to lend support in as full a measure as I may to this proposed amendmen...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 779 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. As I understand the structure of the Bill, it restricts the ap...

Lord Marlesford | 779 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since the House has had the benefit of the views of three noble and learned Lords, I ho...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 779 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, they used to say that real tennis was the game of kings. I suspect that the game of Par...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 cc1417-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, looking at the names on this amendment, it is certainly a gold star amendment, to use t...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 779 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord able, with the resources at his disposal, to give any examples of this formula ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord qualified his question with the remark “with the resources at my dispo...

Lord Judge | 779 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have just heard an utterly reasonable argument but, with great respect, it is wrong,...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich

117A: Clause 47, page 28, line 17, at end insert—

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 cc1419-1423 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not say that this is a tidying-up amendment, having been quite rightly told off ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 779 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

I was expecting the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, to speak to Amendment 118 in the group, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 779 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not understand why this provision is in the Bill. I was rather surprised when I f...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 779 cc1423-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given that elucidation, I shall say much the same thing but in different words in relat...

Lord Willetts | 779 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

I am encouraged by what we have just heard from the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson. I think that ther...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, has said and with his response to the...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 cc1424-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we recognise that many validation arrangements are highly successful and beneficial to ...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 779 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for his words, which I have listened to with interest and optimism...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

119A: After Clause 51, insert the following new C...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 779 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

120: Clause 54, page 34, line 34, at end insert—<...

Lord Judge | 779 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

123: Clause 56, page 36, line 9, leave out from “appeal” to end o...

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