Policing and Crime Bill
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Wednesday, 12 October 2016
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Moved by
Lord Paddick
1: Clause 3, page 3, line 15, at end insert—
“( ) Section...
My Lords, Amendment 1 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee. Clause 3 covers spec...
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My Lords, Amendment 1, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, seeks to limit the duty to collabor...
In my opening remarks, I welcomed the government amendments and suggested that we would support t...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
2: Clause 3, page 3, line 18, after “effect” i...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
3: Clause 4, page 4, line 38, leave out subsec...
Moved by
Lord Rosser
4: Clause 6, leave out Clause 6
My Lords, I will speak also to our other amendments in this group: Amendments 12, 14 and 18. Firs...
My Lords, I support the amendments proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Rosser. The government amendm...
My Lords, the Government came into office with a clear manifesto commitment to enable fire and po...
Before the Minister sits down, could she clarify something? She described the amendments proposed...
I hope I have outlined clearly that the Home Secretary would take a view on this issue and on all...
I, likewise, ask the Minister for some clarification of what she has just said. Am I right in say...
Before Third Reading I will write to the noble Lord and to all noble Lords who have taken part in...
I take it that the noble Baroness is going to write, and I am very grateful to her for saying tha...
I did say guidance.
So what I have laid down in Amendment 12 will be included in guidance.
I agreed that the matters that the noble Lord listed would be covered in guidance.
As I understood it, the Minister did not extend that to the items I covered in Amendments 14 and ...
I certainly gave that commitment on Amendment 12. I now have all my pages completely out of kilte...
It was Amendments 14 and 18.
Amendment 18 is a matter for the Home Secretary.
Am I also right—I am genuinely seeking clarification—that what the Minister helpfully said on Ame...
Unfortunately, I cannot find Amendment 14 here, but we have undertaken to work with the Associati...
I would be more than happy if the Minister wishes to write to me to confirm. I am genuinely seeki...
The issues raised in Amendments 12 and 14 will be addressed in guidance.
So there is an issue of a period over which consultation shall last. The other matters will be co...
I think that this may be one area of detail that I could discuss and correspond with the noble Lo...
That is a helpful response and I take it in the spirit in which it was said. I hope that the Mini...
Yes, and I hope that it would never be interpreted that I will not follow through on something I ...
I assure the Minister that she is about the last person that I would ever suggest would appear at...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
5: Schedule 1, page 189, line 13, at end inser...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
11: Schedule 1, page 202, line 11, at end inse...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
13: Schedule 1, page 202, line 11, at end inse...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
15: Schedule 1, page 202, line 13, leave out “...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
17: Schedule 1, page 202, line 32, at end inse...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
20: Schedule 1, page 219, line 28, leave out “...
Moved by
Lord Paddick
23: Clause 7, page 6, leave out lines 20 to 30
My Lords, I shall also speak to the other amendments in this group. These amendments, taken toget...
My Lords, Clause 7 enables police and crime commissioners to request to be represented on fire an...
I am grateful to the Minister. I am still struggling to understand why a police and crime commiss...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
31: Clause 8, page 12, line 22, at end insert—...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
37: Schedule 2, page 224, line 19, at end inse...
My Lords, the government amendments in this group respond to some very well-made points in Commit...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for responding to the points I made in Committee and introducing t...
I hope it is not going to be another letter because, from my dim and distant memory of local gove...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for listening to the points raised by the noble Lord, Lord Harris ...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
38: Schedule 2, page 229, line 7, leave out “p...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
43: After Clause 11, insert the following new Cl...
My Lords, Amendments 44, 45 and 105 are essentially technical amendments to ensure that the stren...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
44: Schedule 3, page 247, line 17, at end inse...
Moved by
Lord Paddick
46: Clause 25, page 40, line 13, after “subsection” insert “(1)...
My Lords, in moving Amendment 46 I will speak also to the other amendment in the group, Amendment...
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, said, these matters were discussed in Committee. I am ...
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, for the opportunity to address the misun...
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for his support for these amendments and for the e...
Moved by
Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve
48: After Clause 26, insert the following new C...
My Lords, this amendment is also in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, and the noble and ...
My Lords, despite the eminence of the noble Baroness, I hope the Government will be robust in res...
My Lords, I rise to support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady O’Neill of Bengarve. ...
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lords who tabled this amendment. I listened to the expl...
My Lords, many of us wish that we were not having this debate at all. I will ask three questions ...
I speak following the very courageous and relevant speech that we have just heard. I do not think...
My Lords, I will not detain the House for too long. As has been said, the amendment would require...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady O’Neill, for explaining the purpose behind her amendme...
Will the Minister indicate how long she envisages the inquiry will take and how many witnesses wi...
The consultation finishes on 10 January. In terms of anything going forward, we will of course be...
I thank the Minister for her reply. She suggests that we have yet to consider whether it is appro...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
49: Clause 27, page 41, leave out lines 9 to 19<...
My Lords, the Government are committed to ensuring that those working for the police have the con...
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and to the Government for listening to the concerns ...
My Lords, there was a very useful debate in Committee on whistleblowing. The noble Lord, Lord Pad...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
50: Clause 27, page 41, line 26, at end insert—<...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
54: Schedule 6, page 278, line 29, leave out “15...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
56: Clause 32, page 54, line 24, after “the” ins...
My Lords, I hope that this, too, will be good news for your Lordships. This Government’s policing...
My Lords, the Government, particularly the Ministers, deserve real congratulation on making this ...
I, too, thank the Government and the Minister for listening. A number of Members, including noble...
Moved by
Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen
57: Clause 32, page 54, line 28, after “The” ins...
Moved by
Lord Paddick
59: Clause 32, page 55, line 8, leave out paragraph (b)
My Lords, Amendment 59 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee. I, too, thank the G...
My Lords, the Independent Office for Police Conduct will have a vital role in securing and mainta...
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation. I of course acknowledge the Governme...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
60: Clause 32, page 55, line 14, after “the” i...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
61: Schedule 9, page 298, line 39, after “The”...
Moved by
Baroness Jolly
101: After Clause 33, insert the following new Clause—
...
My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to enable service men and women to make complaints abo...
My Lords, I would like to reassure the noble Baroness, Lady Jolly, that the Government and the se...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for the clarification and for the meeting. I look forward to recom...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
102: Clause 34, page 57, line 24, at beginning...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
105: Clause 35, page 59, line 37, after “funct...
Moved by
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
106: Clause 37, page 66, leave out lines 1 to 18
My Lords, Amendment 106, which is tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Rosser, woul...
I propose to be brief. This amendment, as has been very fairly pointed out by the noble Lord, rem...
Before the noble Viscount sits down, can he be a bit more specific about what he has in mind as a...
I think one can. I think a Taser is a self-defence device. I know there is a dispute about that a...
My Lords, I am sorry that I missed the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, opening this discussion, but I w...
My Lords, I start by agreeing wholeheartedly with the noble Lord, Lord Blair, that this seems too...
My Lords, these amendments return us to an issue that was debated at length in both the other pla...
I do not want to press my noble friend too hard on this as she may want to indulge in corresponde...
My noble friend is right that it would theoretically be possible to use the power to enable a fir...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. A number of points have been ra...
Moved by
Lord Paddick
108: Clause 46, leave out Clause 46
My Lords, the amendment in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee asks that Clause 46 no...
My Lords, policing needs a greater say in how it structures its own organisations. It was the Col...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that explanation which, unless I have got completely the wrong...
My Lords, if Amendments 108A or 108B are agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 109 by reason of pre-...
Moved by
Baroness Harris of Richmond
108A: Clause 61, page 77, line 34, leave out “of...
My Lords, before I move my amendments, some of which are also in the name of the noble Lord, Lord...
My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group from the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Rich...
My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Blair, and my noble friend have said on this subjec...
I point out that Amendment 115 would work if it was 56 days as well. In other words, you could ha...
My Lords, I declare my interest as the police and crime commissioner for Leicester, Leicestershir...
My Lords, we can all understand what the Government are trying to achieve with this set of clause...
My Lords, I whole- heartedly support the amendment. It seems to me that the arguments that have b...
My Lords, listening to this debate, I found myself wondering, like the noble Lord, Lord Harris, e...
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond, in moving Amendment 108A, has made a compe...
My Lords, I hope that what I say will assuage some of the concerns expressed by noble Lords—throu...
Before the Minister sits down—and with the leave of the House, as one would normally intervene to...
Perhaps I worded it clumsily, but what I was trying to say is that it would be a sunset provision...
Before the Minister sits down, will she address the question of whether or not, as part of their ...
The noble Lord makes a very good point, and there are in fact other reasons outside the police’s ...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response and all noble Lords who spoke in support of the a...
My Lords, may I be completely rude and intervene on the noble Baroness? I completely forgot to sp...
My Lords, it is quite all right.
I want to take up the point made by the noble Lord, Lord B...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
110: Clause 62, page 78, line 13, after “(3)” ...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
116: After Clause 75, insert the following new...
Moved by
Baroness Walmsley
117: Clause 79, page 105, leave out lines 2 to 31 and inse...
My Lords, we now move to issues relating to the interaction between the police and people with me...
My Lords, I would like to support Amendment 117, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, whic...
My Lords, first I must apologise that I was not involved in the earlier stages of this Bill due t...
My Lords, I do not wish to repeat all that has been said, but I would like to raise one or two po...
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, for giving your Lordships’ House a ...
Most people regard Dorset as quite rural, but the number of Section 136 detentions in police cell...
I was pointing that out as just one of the reasons why it might be—but we have to remember that, ...
My Lords, I thank those who supported my amendment. I was fascinated by the treatise of the noble...
Moved by
Baroness Walmsley
118: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause—
...My Lords, Amendment 118 places a duty on police forces to refer children under 18 who are the vic...
My Lords, I hope we do not go down this road. It seems a thoroughly bad idea. Of course there is ...
I would like to make it clear that it would be only with the consent of the child, so it would be...
That is not what it says in the amendment. Had it been so, I would not object, but we are talking...
My Lords, I think I will leave aside the contribution of the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsham. I do ...
My Lords, I accept the principle in the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in cases ...
Viscount Hailsham.
Do not worry—I answer to any old name.
I meant the noble Viscount. I absolutely accept the point made by my noble friend. There is no fl...
I am conscious of the late hour and that the next business should be coming on, so I will be very...
I applaud the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, on her intention to ensure that children who have be...
With no coercion.
With no coercion, as the noble Viscount says. The important thing is that all children and young ...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, and the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for their supp...
Moved by
Baroness Walmsley
119: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause—
...My Lords, this is another thing on which I did not succeed in convincing the Government in Commit...
My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness that the hour is late, and therefore I shall be brief. ...
My Lords, I will briefly support the noble Viscount. I would not want to put a police officer in ...
My Lords, this amendment brings us back to the use of Tasers. I am grateful to the noble Baroness...
I am sorry to interrupt—
I do not usually take interventions on Report, although I will acquiesce to the noble Baroness be...
I will wait until I respond.
I welcome the fact that the noble Baroness now accepts that there will be exceptional circumstanc...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. Anyone hearing what has been said in the House toni...