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Enterprise Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 2 November 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Neville-Rolfe.
Lords committee stage third day. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clauses 18 to 23 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

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Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Enterprise Bill (HL) 2015-16
Wednesday, 16 September 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee ninth report.
Wednesday, 21 October 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2015-0874
Tuesday, 10 November 2015
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 765 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there happens to be a Division in the Chamber, we will adjourn for 10 minutes.

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

49DA: Clause 18, page 33, leave out lines 41 and...


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Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc253-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we move on to this session on apprenticeships, I want to reassure the noble Baroness...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc254-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to our Amendment 50 and to the other amendments in the group. Before do...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 cc255-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 50, and will pursue the point made by the noble Baron...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 cc256-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments. I slightly disagree with my friend in this matter, the noble ...

Baroness Corston | 765 c257GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am currently chairing the Select Committee on Social Mobility and the transition from...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, for his clarity and succinctness, and ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

So it is going to be a very long list of a series of charities and voluntary groups, and it will ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc259-260GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall try to answer on the specifics, to give a feel for bodies that will be in and those that ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

One area causing particular concern is that of the larger charities providing overseas aid, and d...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the list will be available for consultation. It will be available during the passage o...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc260-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Of employees.

To respond to the noble Lord, Lord Young, central government departments will...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister did not respond on public sector contracts, and I would welcome a response. I do not...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

We will come on to discuss contracting out, which is the subject of the next amendment. I hope it...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc262-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, perhaps I could interject briefly. I wondered whether the noble Lo...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c263GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to say I agree that having a good vision and a good framework for this important area of p...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc263-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for contributing to the debate. It has done what we wanted, which was to ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c264GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

49E: Clause 18, page 33, line 42, at end insert—...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc264-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 49E I will speak also to Amendment 50A, which is purely consequenti...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. She has quoted two contracts. I had a personal ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have three amendments in this group. The first follows up what the Minister said in ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, I had thought that the living wage amendment was in a different group.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

I regrouped it. Today’s list is different from the one that was circulated at Friday lunchtime.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c267GC (Link to this contribution)

Can we clarify what we are planning to speak about, so that I can answer in due order? I would be...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c267GC (Link to this contribution)

My only excuse is that, as I explained, I am a bit underbriefed, having been thrown into the spot...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc267-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, for explaining her amendment so clearly and...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c268GC (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, I welcome that step in the right direction. When we looked at this issue, we had a fig...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c269GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the answer is that we do not have the information with us. Perhaps we could take that awa...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c269GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response, and all those who have participated in this debate.

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Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c269GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

49F: Clause 18, page 34, line 3, at end insert—<...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc269-270GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is concerned with care leavers and those with special educational needs ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc270-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my noble friend will talk about dyslexia. Ofsted said:

“Only one of the providers...

Lord Addington | 765 cc271-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I look at the apprenticeship system and the newly created apprenticeships, it is q...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c272GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I concur with all that the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, and the noble Lord, Lord Addingt...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c272GC (Link to this contribution)

I cited the example of Birmingham City Council. Both Crossrail and the Olympic park set themselve...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc272-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would require that, when setting public sector apprenticeship targets, t...

Lord Addington | 765 c273GC (Link to this contribution)

When the Minister does provide that letter, might it include some guidance about compliance with ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c273GC (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly undertake to look at that point and discuss it further with the noble Lord, if I...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc273-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her response and I look forward to the letter that sh...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c274GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

49G: Clause 18, page 34, line 11, at end insert—...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c274GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have already spoken to the amendment but, to sum up, the point of the question is tha...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 cc274-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have an amendment, Amendment 50AA, in this group. It is a probing amendment but it ra...

Lord Snape | 765 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

It would be helpful to me and perhaps to the Committee if the Minister would indicate whether she...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the intention of the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. I will not ...

Lord Snape | 765 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

To be fair, I was praising wholeheartedly the intervention by the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. I do ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 cc277-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Perish the thought: my humble apologies to my noble friend. I welcome this, perhaps because I had...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c279GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches broadly agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, said. There i...

Baroness Byford | 765 cc279-280GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee that I could not be here at the start of the sitting. I sh...

Lord Snape | 765 cc280-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in listening to the debate so far, I think that one thing that unites all of us in the ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 c282GC (Link to this contribution)

I place on record my thanks to the noble Lord, Lord Snape, for his very welcome but quite unexpec...

Lord Snape | 765 c282GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope that we are not going to do any such thing at 7.30 pm. I understand that we are dealing wi...

Baroness Golding | 765 c282GC (Link to this contribution)

How is this section of the Bill related to late payments, especially for small and medium-sized f...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc282-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome all noble Lords’ comments. It was good to have the contributions of the noble...

Lord Morris of Handsworth | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

I bring to the attention of the Minister and, indeed, the Committee that of those affected by the...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Morris, for intervening. I can certainly say that...

Lord Snape | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister disabuse either me or the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, on our progress today and s...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord asking about the target for today’s discussion?

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we are trying to get to Amendment 52Q, not to pass it—so he can go to the pub.

Lord Snape | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

We can go to the pub after Amendment 52Q, as the noble Baroness said, but I am grateful for that ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to discuss the issue of a pub code with the noble Lord at any time. All I wo...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 cc284-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the noble Baroness has a copy of the letter that the noble Earl, Lord Court...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c286GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I stand by what my noble friend Lord Courtown put in his letter. I will not delay the C...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c286GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for contributing to this debate. It has certainly raised a number of issues, ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

49J: Clause 18, page 34, line 20, at end insert—...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our Amendment 49J and Amendment 52 in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, and t...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 52 is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Stoneham. As the noble Lord, Lord Ste...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc288-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for these amendments and for the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, saying that ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to interrupt, but I want to make sure that I have got my point across correctly. In re...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

We always like to do post-implementation reviews. We like good evidence and good figures. The poi...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her comprehensive response. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

50B: Clause 18, page 35, line 42, at end insert—...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 50B relates to an issue on which we touched earlier; namely, the question of ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. To pick up the last point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Sha...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc291-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Small businesses are of course the cornerstone of our economy, and high-quality training opportun...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c292GC (Link to this contribution)

I think there is a problem that is missed by the current arrangements; that is, within any locali...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c292GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sharp of Guildford

51: Clause 19, page 36, line 10, at end insert—<...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc292-3GC (Link to this contribution)

We have already talked about the Ofsted report and the rather negative picture it paints of probl...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 765 c293GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the noble Baroness’s amendment. She is right about the need to increase the number of h...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc293-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment seeks to require that a person, when offering a statutory apprenticeship...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. I think that we are very much in agreement here that this is ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

51ZA: Clause 19, page 37, leave out lines 1 to 8...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc294-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard a lot today about the new world of apprenticeships and the many good thin...

Lord Geddes | 765 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to inform the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 51A b...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 765 cc295-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, has already made the case for Amendment 51A. When I rea...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc296-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important area; enforcement is always important. The amendments relate to th...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her very comprehensive response. Given that the Government are consultin...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord summarises it very well. We will send an update ahead of Report. I think that nobl...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

After that gracious acceptance of my proposal, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

52ZA: After Clause 19, insert the following new ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc297-300GC (Link to this contribution)

We now leave apprenticeships for the time being and turn to a familiar topic from previous engage...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 765 cc300-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very concerned about the pre-pack administration idea. I understand that it has a ...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 765 cc301-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to talk about this clause, which comes at a strange place in the Bill. We did actually dis...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc302-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the spirit of these amendments, which intend to improve the functioning of in...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc303-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I cannot really call these probing amendments, because they were not really probing anything—they...

Earl of Kinnoull | 765 c304GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Kinnoull

52A: Clause 20, page 37, line 40, after “insurance” ins...

Earl of Kinnoull | 765 cc304-6GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving the amendment, I shall speak also to Amendment 52C. I declare my interests as in the re...

Lord Flight | 765 cc305-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments of the noble Earl, Lord Kinnoull. I do not have any direct int...

Baroness Noakes | 765 cc307-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not spoken before on this Bill and, indeed, I would not have spoken had I not se...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 765 cc308-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, we were rather sorry to see these amendments tabl...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc309-310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Kinnoull, for his amendments and for taking the trouble to...

Earl of Kinnoull | 765 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate and I thank the Minister in particular....

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

52F: Clause 22, page 39, leave out lines 20 to 2...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 cc311-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been beguiling the Committee with the fact that I have had to act for several ot...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 765 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, has masterfully summarised the amendments. I put my name to Amend...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 cc312-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friends for proposing these amendments with such swiftness and efficiency, and I...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 765 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister who I think sent a message of cheer to the association that lo...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 765 cc314-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in declaring my interests as set out in the register, I welcome the opportunity to disc...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 765 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for raising the issue of data sharing between HMRC and...

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