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Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 15 July 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Williams of Trafford.
Lords report stage second day. Amendments agreed to. Government amendments withdrawn. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 58).

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Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Report stage

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House of Lords chamber
Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
Bills
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 17 June 2015
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee second report.
Wednesday, 24 June 2015
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee third report.
Wednesday, 1 July 2015
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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c591 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

34A: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 cc591-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to our other amendments in this group. A strong and adequately resou...


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Lord Shipley | 764 cc592-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have a number of amendments in this group. During the debates on this Bill, we have ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc594-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all these amendments are about overview and scrutiny and the accountability of combined...

Lord Scriven | 764 c598 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Minister’s reply but I would like to go away and reconsider what she is suggesting....

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 764 c598 (Link to this contribution)

I remind noble Lords about the rules on Report: we should not introduce new matters and nobody sh...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc598-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, for his comments; I certainly will go away and think about ...

Lord Shipley | 764 c599 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the Minister elucidate what happens if there is a stand-off because neither side ag...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c599 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is an interesting question. I have witnessed many a stand-off in local authorities...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c599 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her detailed response to our amendments and a raft of other am...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c600 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

38: Schedule 3, page 22, line 37, after “inclu...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c600 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

41: Schedule 3, page 22, line 38, at end inser...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c600 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

42: Schedule 3, page 23, line 18, leave out fr...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c600 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

49: Schedule 3, page 24, line 23, at end inser...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

51: Schedule 3, page 24, leave out lines 24 to...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c601 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

56: Schedule 3, page 24, line 42, at end inser...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc601-2 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

62: After Clause 9, insert the following new C...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc602-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that we have already debated this but I promised to come back to it today, follo...

Lord Tyler | 764 c606 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister—as I am sure are all noble Lords who have been following ...

Baroness Eaton | 764 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that if an area currently without a combined authority agrees a devolut...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 cc606-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, take this opportunity to raise again an issue covered in Amendments 62, 63, 64 ...

Baroness Jenkin of Kennington | 764 c607 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can my noble friend clarify that Amendments 71 and 72 are necessary to put all local ar...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 764 cc608-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to echo some of the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Tyler. From my own selfi...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c609 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her detailed exposition of the issues around these two sets of amendment...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc609-610 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for the comments that they have made. My noble friend Lady Eato...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

No, it is not an opt-out but it is a non-constituent member for the purposes of some of the power...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister come back to the substance of the questions I asked? She may well do later in h...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I was trying to say to the noble Baroness that for one purpose a local authority might be a const...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

If the Minister could write to me more fully, that would be helpful and then perhaps we can follo...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I have just been passed another note about this. Another example is that York is a non-constituen...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 764 c610 (Link to this contribution)

At what point in a mayoralty would a non-constituent authority become a constituent authority? Ho...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c611 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I can answer this satisfactorily. Let us take the example of York, within Yorkshire. If Yo...

Lord Warner | 764 c611 (Link to this contribution)

May I suggest that the Minister responds to the perfectly sensible proposition of my noble friend...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c611 (Link to this contribution)

I always try to answer noble Lords’ questions from the Dispatch Box. However, in this instance, I...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc611-3 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

63: After Clause 9, insert the following new C...

Lord Warner | 764 cc613-4 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Warner

66: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“Devo...

Lord Warner | 764 cc614-6 (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords may understand why I got up a little impatiently earlier. I move Amendment 66 in my n...

Baroness Walmsley | 764 cc615-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not taken part in debates on the Bill before today but I have followed carefully...

Lord Patel | 764 c617 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee I sat through an extensive exchange in the debate between the noble Lords,...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 764 c618 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very useful short debate. I think that the Minister will know that thos...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 764 cc618-9 (Link to this contribution)

Having listened to this debate, and with a certain interest in these matters, it occurs to me tha...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 764 c619 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I always hesitate to respond to the noble and learned Lord, because he always comes bac...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c619 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking my noble and learned friend for putting everything so succinctly an...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to raise a specific point about that which the intervention by the noble an...

Lord Warner | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister responds to that, perhaps I may add to it. I read from her statement on Monda...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going back on what I said on Monday. I think that I made clear on Monday that ...

Baroness Walmsley | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of elucidation, the Minister said that the Secretary of State could impose those condi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, would the noble Baroness say that again? I apologise.

Baroness Walmsley | 764 c620 (Link to this contribution)

I was just saying that the noble Baroness said that the Secretary of State could impose condition...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc620-1 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know of any such situation where he should not, but obviously each deal will be differen...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 764 c622 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to intervene again but surely the whole problem is that the Secretary of Sta...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c622 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am trying to be helpful, although I am not sure that I am being very helpful. I indic...

Lord Warner | 764 c622 (Link to this contribution)

There was a lot of heat but not much light, I suggest, from that debate. I say to the Minister th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c623 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

70: Clause 10, page 10, line 39, at end insert...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc623-4 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

71: After Clause 10, insert the following new ...

Lord Tyler | 764 c624 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Tyler

73: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—

“Gove...

Lord Tyler | 764 cc625-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be relatively brief, because the case for this amendment is very straightforward ...

Earl of Listowel | 764 cc626-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose this amendment, but in doing so I must apologise to the House because I was sl...

Lord Heseltine | 764 c628 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a highly controversial subject. There are many opinions on both sides of the Ho...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 764 c628 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with all due respect to the noble Lord, who quite rightly commands huge respect across ...

Lord Cormack | 764 cc629-630 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was indeed debated in the case of Scotland, but without any consensus in this House....

Lord Quirk | 764 c630 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, has done his cause, this House and this Bill a service. I w...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 764 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise expressing extreme sympathy for the enthusiasm which it is possible to develop f...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 764 c631 (Link to this contribution)

This sounds like an innings by Mr Geoffrey Boycott. I wonder if the noble Lord could get to the p...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 764 c631 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord’s intervention is most gracious; if he will forgive me, I am coming towards that e...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 764 cc631-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment was previously debated in Your Lordships’ House in Committee. I and my n...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc633-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 73 would have the effect of lowering the voting age for local government elec...

Lord Tyler | 764 cc634-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness’s last remark has really irritated me because I have worked hard to ...

Lord Cormack | 764 c635 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord believes very strongly in elections—he said that again a few moments ago. If this ...

Lord Tyler | 764 c635 (Link to this contribution)

I would. As the noble Lord constantly reminds us, we have a particular responsibility to think ca...

Baroness Janke | 764 c636 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Janke

74: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Baroness Janke | 764 cc636-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the House to correct a great injustice in the city of Bristol. In 2012, there was...

Lord Heseltine | 764 c639 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we touched on this subject in Committee. I hope very much that your Lordships will reje...

Lord Beecham | 764 cc639-640 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Heseltine, was part of a Government which did not merely effect a ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc640-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment seeks to remove Section 9NA of the Local Government Act 2000, which curr...

Baroness Janke | 764 cc641-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister—I meant to thank her initially—for her time spent discussing the a...

Lord Shipley | 764 c642 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Shipley

75: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—

“Go...

Lord Shipley | 764 cc642-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, earlier today I spoke about the need to ensure accountability in this new layer of loca...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 764 c645 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 75 is not one which we on these Benches can support. I declare an interest as...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c645 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is about the voting system for local government elections in England and...

Lord Shipley | 764 c646 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if it is not the role of your Lordships’ House to scrutinise legislation, it is hard to...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 c646 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hollis of Heigham

75A: After Clause 10, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 cc646-651 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a probing amendment, for obvious reasons, and it has slightly awkward wording t...

Lord Marlesford | 764 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, has identified a problem that many of us would recogni...

Lord True | 764 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was referred to by my noble friend and although I was not going to speak on this amen...

Lord Beecham | 764 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is right to begin the Opposition’s response to this issue by reminding the House that the nobl...

Lord Marlesford | 764 c654 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I would like to point out that my proposal is in no way a mansio...

Lord Beecham | 764 c654 (Link to this contribution)

It will be interesting to see what the Daily Mail, the Telegraph and the Express make of the nobl...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc654-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have spoken this evening, particularly my noble friend Lord...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 764 cc655-6 (Link to this contribution)

The reply I was disappointed in was actually that of the Minister. She knows, as does everyone he...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 cc656-7 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord McKenzie of Luton

75B: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 cc657-660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendment 75C. In doing so, I return to the issue of devolution fo...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 764 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I realise that the drafting of the amendment is not the noble Lord’s, but in proposed new subsect...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c658 (Link to this contribution)

Are we dealing with Amendment 79B and proposed new subsection (9)?

Lord Tope | 764 c658 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help and speed things up a bit. The subsection to which the noble Lord draws our at...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c658 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Tope, for some assistance on that. This was the drafting of...

Lord Tope | 764 cc658-662 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is also to the amendment, and I am very pleased to give my support in the terms...

Lord True | 764 cc662-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since we are told that this is a probing amendment, perhaps I might be probed. I come w...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as discussions on these amendments have demonstrated, the ideas for devolution in Londo...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in that brief debate. Insofar as what ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that—it may be that some tweaking of legislation is required; we have ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 764 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that. It is good that discussions are proceeding well; it is a good start to th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c666 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

76: Schedule 4, page 25, line 14, at end inser...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Williams of Trafford

78: Schedule 4, page 25, line 19, at end inser...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 764 c667 (Link to this contribution)

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84: , line 5, after “governance” insert “and f...

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