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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 17 December 2013, in the House of Lords, led by Lord McNally.
Lords report stage second day.

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2013-14

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Report stage

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House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Butler-Sloss

14: Clause 11, page 11, line 5, at end insert—

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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 cc1143-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is with some regret that I have not sought to remove the presumption from the wordin...


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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 750 cc1144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Slos...

Baroness Deech | 750 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, w...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 cc1145-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment in the name of the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butle...

Baroness Walmsley | 750 cc1147-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe that there is only one a priori formula, as the noble Baroness puts it, that ...

Lord McNally | 750 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to follow my noble friend in this debate, not least because well over...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 750 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting but, just so that the record is absolutely straight, the Minister ha...

Lord McNally | 750 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble Baroness takes what she has said to heart; what I am trying to avoid is rep...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Baronesses for their contributions and I hope that the Minister will forgive me...

Lord Northbourne | 750 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Northbourne

15: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Northbourne | 750 cc1151-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Grand Committee my Amendment 56 attracted a good deal of support; there was a strong...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 c1155 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a trustee of the Marriage Foundation. I express my admiration ...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 750 cc1155-7 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a vice-president of the charity Relate. I have great sympathy with what ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 750 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since the Minister may be looking at this matter more fully, I suggest as a footnote to...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add a brief note. While I probably agree that the Bill is not the right place fo...

Lord Ramsbotham | 750 cc1157-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, yet again one finds oneself rising in admiration for my noble friend Lord Northbourne’s...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 750 c1158 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is very little that I wish to add, or indeed properly could, to what has been sai...

Lord McNally | 750 cc1158-1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all the contributions that have been made share the view of the noble Lord, Lord Northb...

Lord Northbourne | 750 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

I am of course most grateful to the noble Lord for a very full response. I hate to say this, but ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 750 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lloyd of Berwick

16: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 750 cc1161-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I imagine that most of your Lordships have some experience of the procedure for taking ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 750 cc1164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I supported this amendment in Grand Committee, and having added my name to it, I suppor...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 cc1165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment raises an issue that has engaged academic legal discussion for about 18 ...

Lord Elton | 750 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

I have one difficulty. I understood that it was not at this stage a question of removing the chil...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 750 cc1166-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry—I was talking about the removal of the child or looking at other aspects of the welfar...

Baroness Deech | 750 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have grappled long and hard with this tricky issue. I should like to reduce it to thr...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 750 cc1169-1170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself in a maelstrom of lawyers with no voice. My position is that we been aski...

Lord Walker of Gestingthorpe | 750 cc1170-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the spectacle of a succession of retired senior judges re-arguing the law in your Lords...

Lord Judge | 750 cc1172-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to add to a maelstrom of lawyers is not a particularly bright idea at this time in the ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 750 cc1173-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that I may be forgiven for adding one more lawyer’s speech to those which have a...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 750 c1175 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, oppose the amendment. I am glad that the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, has...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 750 c1175 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly had not intended to take part in this debate, which has been at a very exalted level....

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 cc1176-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very long debate and I do not intend to extend it much longer, but I wa...

Lord McNally | 750 cc1177-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will certainly try to rise to the challenge. It would be a lot easier to rise to if t...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 750 c1178 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful for the Minister’s careful response to this amendment. I am also ver...

Lord McNally | 750 c1178 (Link to this contribution)

As I said before, I am worried. We have very strict rules about bringing matters back at Third Re...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 750 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

I fully understand and accept the position which the Minister has taken. It would be admirable if...

Lord Low of Dalston | 750 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Low of Dalston

16A: Clause 19, page 19, line 20, at end insert—

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Lord Low of Dalston | 750 cc1179-1181 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to Part 3. I shall move Amendment 16A, and speak briefly in support of Amen...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 cc1180-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment, which I am pleased to hear the noble Lord, Lord Low, is also supporting, ...

Baroness Warnock | 750 cc1183-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to the amendment of my noble friend Lord Low for reasons that I th...

Baroness Wilkins | 750 cc1184-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in strong support of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Low, which is set ou...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 750 c1185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to be able to follow my noble friend, who has made a powerful case. As a memb...

Baroness Whitaker | 750 cc1185-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments, because inclusion, which we all want to promote, still has to...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 cc1186-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall briefly, but strongly, support both amendments. On Amendment 34A, the noble Bar...

Lord Nash | 750 cc1187-1190 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Low, and the noble Baronesses, Lady Warnock and Lady Wilkins, for ta...

Lord Low of Dalston | 750 cc1190-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken. They all spoke in support of my amendment except of ...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 c1191 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hughes of Stretford

17: After Clause 19, insert the following new C...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 cc1191-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 17 would, for the purposes of Sections 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 32 and 62 of P...

Lord Nash | 750 cc1195-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may be helpful if I outline our government amendments in this group to enable noble ...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 c1196 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his explanation and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

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Baroness Northover | 750 c1196 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

17A: Clause 21, page 20, line 16, leave out subsection (5...

Baroness Northover | 750 cc1196-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to speak to the group containing government Amendment 17A and Amendment 18...

Countess of Mar | 750 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unfortunately my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham cannot be in his place to speak to his Am...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 750 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a simple question about this. Having been sick last week, I may have missed the ...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 750 cc1198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 18 in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsboth...

Baroness Northover | 750 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Countess, Lady Mar, for putting the noble Lord’s case. He is indeed a...

Baroness Northover | 750 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

18A: Clause 22, page 20, line 24, after “identifies” inse...

Baroness Wilkins | 750 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wilkins

18C: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Wilkins | 750 cc1200-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Government will agree to this amendment. Clause 22 requires local autho...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Wilkins. Good quality data o...

Lord Low of Dalston | 750 cc1201-2 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have put my name to this amendment and strongly support it. There is not a lot to be said...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 750 c1202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that the Government probably do not want to increase the level of bureaucr...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 750 cc1202-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 18C and very much echo the arguments put forward by my noble friend...

Lord Nash | 750 cc1203-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to thank the noble Baroness, Lady Wilkins, for raising this important issu...

Baroness Wilkins | 750 cc1204-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. Unfortunately, agreement has not continued from pr...

Lord Nash | 750 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

18D: Clause 23, transpose Clause 23 to after Clause 24

Lord Nash | 750 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

18E: Clause 24, page 20, line 38, at end insert “or a disability”<...

Lord Nash | 750 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

18G: Clause 25, page 21, line 11, leave out “special educational” ...

Lord Nash | 750 cc1205-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

18J: Clause 26, page 21, line 32, after first “for” insert “—

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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Howe of Idlicote

19: Clause 26, page 22, line 15, at end insert—

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 cc1206-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unfortunately, my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham cannot be in place at this time of the e...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 750 c1207 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have much sympathy with the amendment, particularly the point raised by the noble Bar...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 cc1207-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendments, especially Amendment 19. I do so because Clause 26, ...

Baroness Northover | 750 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, for speaking on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord R...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 750 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

That is very helpful. Could the Minister clarify subsection (4)? It says:

“Joint commission...

Baroness Northover | 750 cc1210-1 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness will note that I have talked about supporting children with and without plans....

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 750 c1211 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to do so and also to thank the other Members who have taken part in the debate. I...

Lord Nash | 750 c1212 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

21A: Clause 26, page 22, line 27, after second “for” insert “—

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Lord Nash | 750 c1212 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

24A: Clause 27, page 22, line 40, leave out “special educational” ...

Countess of Mar | 750 c1212 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Countess of Mar

25: Clause 27, page 22, line 42, after “needs,” insert “...

Countess of Mar | 750 cc1212-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a long list of amendments with, the noble Baroness will be pleased to hear, a b...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 750 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Countess, Lady Mar. I do not know what the Ministe...

Baroness Northover | 750 cc1215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Countess, Lady Mar, for highlighting this area. She has fought long a...

Countess of Mar | 750 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for replying so kindly. I accept her offer to look at the...

Lord Nash | 750 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

25A: Clause 27, page 22, line 43, leave out “special educational” ...

Lord Nash | 750 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. Perhaps I may take...

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