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Energy Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 11 July 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. New clauses (Lords amendments 50J and 51A) debated and agreed to. New clauses (Lords amendments 51, 51ZA, 51ZB and 51ZDA) debated and withdrawn. New clause (Lords amendment 51AA) not moved. Schedule 14 agreed to. Clauses 133, 135 and 136 agreed to. Clause 134 debated and agreed to. Committee adjourned.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

747 cc129-192GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Energy Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 5 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Verma | 747 cc129-130GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

50J: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Verma | 747 cc130-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these government amendments propose a change to the Warm Homes and Energy Conservation ...


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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc132-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a few comments on what my noble friend said. The first is that we are extre...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. I welcome the proposed new clause. Unfortunately, I did not have the o...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc135-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to follow my noble friend. The fight against fuel poverty in the past 10 to 15 ye...

Lord Deben | 747 cc136-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again declare my interest as chairman of the climate change committee, which has a sp...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for responding so quickly to our pleas last week about fuel povert...

Baroness Maddock | 747 cc138-140GC (Link to this contribution)

So we must help him to persuade others on the other issue, the decarbonisation target.

I wi...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c140GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps through e-mails.

Our problem is that a lot of properties are farm cottages. I go ba...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc140-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I, too, thank the Minister for getting fuel poverty into the Bill. Throughout the Commons proceed...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. When I introduced the Home Energy Conservation Act, that w...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc142-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but this has not been a priority for local authorities and in the present period of austerit...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc144-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their warm welcome—even though from the Benches opposite it...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding of the concern of the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, was that there was an implication...

Baroness Verma | 747 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

The information I am being given is that there will be no change.

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill. The point that has been put to me on behalf of t...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc145-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to continue with my responses, the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell, asked about ECO and wh...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 747 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff

51: After Clause 132, insert the following new C...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 747 cc148-151GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments concern carbon monoxide detection. I want to explain why carbon monoxi...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness in her efforts in this area. I had better indicate that—I ...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we were discussing the previous energy Bill, I asked the Minister whether it inclu...

Lord Deben | 747 cc152-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we ought to help the Minister on this. I suspect that I know what advice she has been g...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. After the eloquent contributions we have heard, there i...

Lord Grantchester | 747 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we follow other noble Lords in also using our words in support of questioning the Minis...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc153-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, for moving this amendment, and other ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 747 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everybody in the Committee for their unconditional support. I recognise that th...

Lord Whitty | 747 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

51ZA: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Whitty | 747 cc155-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 51ZA is a probing amendment, although it is one that the Government could giv...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 cc157-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend in his amendment. The amendment seems particularly sensible a...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc158-9GC (Link to this contribution)

Following on from my two colleagues, it seems that mis-selling is endemic in certain areas of our...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc159-160GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for tabling these probing amendments, as he...

Lord Deben | 747 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

On that point, I declare an interest as chairman of the Association of Professional Financial Adv...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend provides an excellent prelude to further commentary on why the Government are con...

Lord Whitty | 747 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find the explanation on the five-year period extraordinary. I think it was my noble f...

Lord Deben | 747 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

For the correction of the record, the problem is that the further you extend something, the less ...

Lord Whitty | 747 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if something is unprovable, redress will not be awarded.

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 747 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way but the noble Lord, Lord Deben, referred to ...

Lord Whitty | 747 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend has expressed the position far more precisely than me. I underline her ...

Lord Whitty | 747 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

51ZB: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—

A...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc163-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have touched on this. The ECO is central to the Government’s strategy for delivering...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc164-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for his amendments dealing with the futur...

Lord Whitty | 747 cc166-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is precisely for the reason that this needs to be about the long term that I suggest...

Lord Teverson | 747 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

51ZDA*: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Teverson | 747 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one important but largely forgotten area of energy policy is the smart meter rollout wh...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc168-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I should perhaps start by declaring an interest. I am chairman of SmartGrid GB. In some respects ...

Lord Deben | 747 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is absolutely right, but we should not allow people to think of this just as a jok...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

I remember being a lorry driver’s mate in the 1960s when I was a student. As a consequence of a L...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 cc169-170GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to speak Amendment 51AA*, which I tabled with the noble Viscount, Lord Hanworth.

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Lord Deben | 747 c170GC (Link to this contribution)

I was just wondering how the noble Lord would make provision for the views of certain people who ...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

I was going to suggest that, in an objective way, you present the official view but you might say...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend on this issue. As he was speaking, I was thinking that we hav...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc172-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and the noble Viscount, Lord H...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know whether noble Lords are aware but some local councils have energy roadsho...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc174-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Teverson and the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for their amendmen...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

We have seen the statistics on the Green Deal. If I am right, you have to pay for those assessmen...

Baroness Verma | 747 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, we have to recognise that the Green Deal is still in its early stages. Given tha...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, the noble Baroness missed my point. Obviously, everybody’s body and lifestyle are ...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc175-7GC (Link to this contribution)

It is up to suppliers whether they charge: they may or may not. Government cannot dictate that to...

Lord Teverson | 747 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that. I am greatly reassured, particularly that, as the data i...

Lord Whitty | 747 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

51ZEA*: Schedule 14, page 204, leave out lines 35 to 37

Lord Whitty | 747 cc177-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 51ZE deals again with the redress powers. The issue here is that the Governme...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc178-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendments. Amendments 51ZEA and 51ZFA are designed to a...

Lord Whitty | 747 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I do not accept those arguments at all. New entrants will not be affec...

Lord Whitty | 747 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

51ZEB: Schedule 14, page 204, line 44, at end insert “unless one...

Lord Whitty | 747 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a straightforward question. The size of any compensation is limited to 10% of t...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc180-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 51ZEB and 51ZEC, 51ZFB and 51ZFC are designed to amend Schedule 14 and permi...

Lord Whitty | 747 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister particularly for that last point, because it indicates that it wou...

Baroness Verma | 747 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

51A: Before Clause 133, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Verma | 747 cc181-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 51A I will also speak to Amendment 57; I hope that noble Lords will...

Lord Roper | 747 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I be the first to welcome the amendment? Those of us who have read the debates that...

Lord Grantchester | 747 cc182-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important government amendment and we welcome the group, which replicates am...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc184-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful for my noble friend Lord Roper’s warm welcome for these amendme...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Hunt of Chesterton

51AA: Before Clause 133, insert the following new C...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

I was astonished by the Minister’s remarks. She does not sound as if she goes shopping before she...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 747 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord can move his amendment if he wishes and then he will get a response. However,

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Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 747 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

I wanted to move my amendment and thought that we had done that before. I just wanted to make my ...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have proposed that this clause should not stand part, partly because this is a very o...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

I will wait until the noble Baroness is finished.

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc186-7GC (Link to this contribution)

In the other place, the Minister did try to give some explanation as to what these fees for energ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for appearing to interrupt the noble Baroness in mid-flow. I just have one question. ...

Lord Roper | 747 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to raise a slightly narrower point, but one related to that raised by the noble ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc188-190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am particularly grateful to the noble Baroness for this opportunity to consider this ...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister clarify one point? If there is an official strike, for which due notice has bee...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this provision is not designed to interfere with the normal relationships between emplo...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 747 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister did not answer the question. If the Government impose a charge on companies in the e...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

We do not anticipate that the companies could recoup in those circumstances.

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc190-2GC (Link to this contribution)

It seems to me that we have got to the bottom of this. It is a very narrow thing that is needed, ...

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