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Debates on delegated legislation on Tuesday, 30 November 2021, in the House of Commons, led by Maggie Throup. The answering member was Alex Norris.
Business motion relating to proceedings on the Coronavirus regulations and on the Opposition day debate. Motions that Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England) Regulations 2021 (S.I., 2021, No. 1340) and the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2021 (S.I., 2021, No. 1338), dated 29 November, copies of which were laid before this House on 29 November, be approved. Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England) Regulations 2021 agreed to on division (434 to 23). Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations 2021 agreed to on division (431 to 36).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

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Session

2021-22

Procedure

Business motions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations
Monday, 29 November 2021
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England) Regulations
Monday, 29 November 2021
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Lindsay Hoyle | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

The motion just agreed by the House provides for both motions in the name of the hon. Member for ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (England...


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Lindsay Hoyle | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

With this we shall take the following motion:

That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Rest...

Maggie Throup | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

In September, the Government set out their autumn and winter plan for fighting the virus, which c...

Desmond Swayne | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister deprecate those public appointees who, notwithstanding the clear proportionate ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the people my right hon. Friend is referring to will have heard him loud and clear. We ...

Mark Harper | 704 c779 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned the UK Health Security Agency, the head of which my right hon. Friend the ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

As my right hon. Friend said, the Prime Minister said that we are putting these measures in place...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Dr Harries is a public health professional who therefore understands what public health measures ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I reassure the hon. Lady that we listen to the advice of health professionals all the time, but t...

Steve Baker | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister seriously saying that it is not for Ministers to have any particular view on offi...

Maggie Throup | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I reiterate that I cannot speak for other people. I am setting out the measures today that we imp...

Jim Shannon | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I support what the Minister is putting forward. What happens here will happen in Northern Ireland...

Maggie Throup | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I speak for myself in saying that I have changed my habits with regard to hand washing since the ...

Richard Drax | 704 c780 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being incredibly generous. Can I clear up something for the travel industry and t...

Maggie Throup | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

Today, we are debating some travel restrictions about self-isolation, but the other restrictions ...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned hand hygiene. Is she aware of a study published in The BMJ on 20 November ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend, with his medical background, makes a good point that I will take away and l...

Vicky Foxcroft | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. On the point of immunity, many people who are immunosuppress...

Maggie Throup | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard the hon. Lady talk about that before and I take the point seriously. It is partly ab...

Maggie Throup | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way once more and then I must make progress.

William Wragg | 704 c781 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is the kindest of Ministers. On the question of the new variant�s severity, I wond...

Maggie Throup | 704 cc781-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am not aware of that, and it may not be in the public domain due to confidentiality. I must mak...

Maggie Throup | 704 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I must continue.

They became mandatory in transport hubs, including taxis and private hire ...

Clive Betts | 704 c782 (Link to this contribution)

The word �mandatory� was used but is that not just a word in the statutory instrument? In practic...

Maggie Throup | 704 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I find it quite intriguing that the Labour party has been calling for this measure for some time ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I must make some progress.

In July, when we lifted most of the remaining restrictions at st...

Mark Harper | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way on the timing?

Maggie Throup | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I know I keep saying I will take one last intervention, but I give way.

Mark Harper | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful. I listened carefully to what the Minister said about the timing. The Governme...

Maggie Throup | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a very good point. I would like to reassure him that we will continue ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the hon. Lady, who has been trying to intervene.

Daisy Cooper | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. The hon. Member for Sheffield South East (Mr Betts)...

Maggie Throup | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier, we are mandating the use of face coverings. I think we are in a different situ...

Maggie Throup | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I will allow one more intervention and then I will move on.

Andrew Murrison | 704 c783 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is really being most generous and I thank her very much indeed. Our right hon. Frien...

Maggie Throup | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to my right hon. Friend very carefully, as I did to my right hon. Friend the Memb...

Karl McCartney | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, will the Minister give way?

Maggie Throup | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

I must make progress.

Given the potential severity of the consequences of not responding sw...

Maggie Throup | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

I will continue.

The requirement to wear face coverings is not new. We have asked people to...

Maggie Throup | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

No, I must make progress. I have been very generous with my time up until now.

However, any...

Maggie Throup | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

I must make progress.

Scientific evidence also shows that all types of face coverings are t...

Clive Betts | 704 c784 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way on the point of exemptions?

Maggie Throup | 704 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

No, I must make progress.

The self-isolation regulations were introduced to provide a legal...

Mark Harper | 704 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way on that one point ?

Maggie Throup | 704 c785 (Link to this contribution)

No; I have been very generous up until now.

Anyone who has been notified as testing positiv...

Maggie Throup | 704 c785 (Link to this contribution)

I really must make progress.

The model estimated the impact of testing and tracing and self...

Lindsay Hoyle | 704 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Order. In fairness, I think the Minister has been very generous with her time, and I would say th...

Maggie Throup | 704 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Together, the impacts of these regulations should combine to help slow down the spread of the omi...

Alex Norris | 704 cc785-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak for the Opposition in this important debate.

The omicron variant ...

Mark Harper | 704 c786 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased to hear the hon. Gentleman say that about parliamentary scrutiny. He will know ...

Alex Norris | 704 c786 (Link to this contribution)

My predecessor as Member of Parliament for Nottingham North had a strong record on recall of Parl...

Karl McCartney | 704 c786 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, does the shadow Minister therefore think we should come back before Christmas, or ...

Alex Norris | 704 cc786-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman�s question makes me think he has some plans to book; if he is trying to book a...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly confused by these measures, because the risks are the same in any indoor setting; w...

Alex Norris | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point that I will cover shortly. Of course the measure should apply t...

Gary Sambrook | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Last night I walked past the shadow Cabinet room and there was quite a party going on inside, and...

Alex Norris | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is seeking to redress grievances as to what Labour party parties he has and...

Mark Jenkinson | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Like the hon. Gentleman, I have travelled on the tube in recent months and seen a lack of complia...

Alex Norris | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

We will now start to see how effective these regulations are�they have only been going for nine a...

Clive Betts | 704 c787 (Link to this contribution)

The issue is that enforcement is impossible when people can just claim an exemption and we are no...

Alex Norris | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

We are after the fact now on that, but I think we have to protect the principle that we do not ex...

Tom Hunt | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased that compulsory mask wearing has not been extended to the hospitality sector, a...

Alex Norris | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

It is hard to answer given that this is not on the face of these regulations, so I have asked the...

Alex Norris | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to the hon. Gentleman before; I do not rule out doing it again, but will not do ...

Luke Evans | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Have the Opposition done any analysis of how much it would cost to implement ventilation en masse...

Alex Norris | 704 c788 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member goes slightly further than I did in saying that ventilation should be rolled out ...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c789 (Link to this contribution)

Can the shadow Minister cast his mind back to the debates we had on smoking in public places? If ...

Alex Norris | 704 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot cast my mind back to that debate�I believe I had just started secondary school when it t...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I raised the issue of ventilation last summer�we have known for a long time that covid is airborn...

Alex Norris | 704 cc789-790 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Member for that intervention, which gets to the root of the matter. We ...

Lord Brady of Altrincham | 704 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief, but I have a number of concerns about the regulations, the first of which is ab...

Mark Harper | 704 c791 (Link to this contribution)

It is also worth saying that one of the things we get from Ministers when we press them on these ...

Lord Brady of Altrincham | 704 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. As a former Chief Whip, my right hon. Friend knows very well that there is always par...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c791 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend recalls, the reason for lockdown was to reduce a potential impact on the nation...

Lord Brady of Altrincham | 704 cc791-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my medically qualified right hon. Friend for that intervention. He is of course ...

Desmond Swayne | 704 c792 (Link to this contribution)

We are about to have another pingdemic as we approach Christmas, to the huge disadvantage of ente...

Lord Brady of Altrincham | 704 c792 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is a very serious concern that we might be entering ...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 704 c792 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is starting to explore the issue of what happens when there is a variant. What we ...

Lord Brady of Altrincham | 704 c793 (Link to this contribution)

We should all be afraid of the madness of that kind of policy. The difficulty is that 18 months a...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c793 (Link to this contribution)

Happy St Andrew�s Day to all Scots across the parliamentary estate, whether they were born in Sco...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c793 (Link to this contribution)

We do not suffer the same deaths, hospitalisations or outcomes from flu. [ Interruption. ] Well, ...

Mark Harper | 704 c793 (Link to this contribution)

I know the hon. Lady has a great deal of medical experience, but she is referring to a period whe...

Philippa Whitford | 704 cc794-5 (Link to this contribution)

We are still seeing hospitalisations and deaths in people who are doubly vaccinated. The reason w...

Huw Merriman | 704 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady not concerned, as I am, that there is too much emphasis on PCR testing for track...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c795 (Link to this contribution)

I was not claiming that it was, because genomic testing takes a couple of weeks generally and it ...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 704 c795 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for bringing her medical knowledge to the House. It is very interesting, pa...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c795 (Link to this contribution)

I think we would be talking about redesigning the test for a whole new antigen. I mentioned just ...

Karl McCartney | 704 c796 (Link to this contribution)

The Government Benches are not as sparsely populated as the Opposition Benches�and I do welcome t...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c796 (Link to this contribution)

The reason that my colleagues are not here is that the debate is largely about the regulations in...

Mark Jenkinson | 704 c796 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady perhaps answered some of this question, but will she set out her assessment of the ...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c796 (Link to this contribution)

It is very difficult at the moment. Cases go up and down and we swap positions. At the moment, Sc...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way a lot, and lots of other hon. Members are waiting to speak.

As for the Lea...

Ben Spencer | 704 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Does the evolution of an immune escape variant, which omicron may be, occur because of a vaccinat...

Philippa Whitford | 704 cc797-8 (Link to this contribution)

I think that its emergence in southern Africa would suggest that it is from a naive population. O...

Steve Brine | 704 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)

�Tis the season to be jolly, Mr Deputy Speaker. As my colleagues know and as you know, I am alway...

Mark Jenkinson | 704 c799 (Link to this contribution)

The explanatory memorandum tells us that the regulations make provision for

�NHS Test and T...

Steve Brine | 704 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I would call directors of public health �activists�, although I understand that so...

Alec Shelbrooke | 704 c800 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Business Secretary should have been involved in these decision...

Steve Brine | 704 c800 (Link to this contribution)

Having been a Minister of the Crown, I hope that the regulations have been through the right-roun...

Mark Harper | 704 c800 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has touched on an important point about the process within Government to ensure th...

Steve Brine | 704 cc800-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for his comments, which will have been heard on the Treasury Bench.<...

Sammy Wilson | 704 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for being so generous in giving way. Does he accept that the evidence ...

Steve Brine | 704 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I do accept that, and I also accept that the scientists who discovered the variant said on the me...

Steve Brine | 704 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the Minister has been looking into the matter for me. We have not teed this up, Mr De...

Maggie Throup | 704 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I want to reassure my hon. Friend. I heard what he said yesterday, and I have asked my office to ...

Steve Brine | 704 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I greatly appreciate that. The Minister is a good friend, and I know she is sincere. This morning...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c802 (Link to this contribution)

The Liberal Democrats will support the regulations, but we have grave concerns about whether the ...

Alec Shelbrooke | 704 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I want to pick up on the hon. Lady’s comment about working from home. I say gently to her that a ...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I take that point. We know that many of these measures often result in a lose-lose situation. A r...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to what the hon. Member has to say. Does she agree that the group in soc...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Member for his intervention, but I respectfully disagree with him. What we...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about university students.

Daisy Cooper | 704 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Ah, okay. I thought the right hon. Gentleman was talking about schools and young people. Of cours...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c804 (Link to this contribution)

How on earth does the hon. Lady think that we can mandate or suggest that people work from home b...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Something appears to have been lost in translation here. I am not entirely sure whether the right...

Simon Hoare | 704 c804 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with the hon. Lady�s comments, and I wish that she had amplified them more in r...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c804 (Link to this contribution)

I am incredibly grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising that point. I have tried to raise that...

Nigel Evans | 704 c805 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Important though this matter is, the hon. Lady does appear to be straying. Could she pleas...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c805 (Link to this contribution)

The point that I am trying to make is that the Government are framing the introduction of these s...

Sammy Wilson | 704 c805 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making an important and relevant point. Would she not accept, however, that thes...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c805 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with some of those points. As a liberal, I believe fundamentally in giving people the ...

Christopher Chope | 704 cc805-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for St Albans (Daisy Cooper). I absolutely agree with ...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c807 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that the major incentive for people to be vaccinated is to red...

Christopher Chope | 704 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the hon. Lady accepts that people should be free to make their own decision on whether the...

Alec Shelbrooke | 704 c808 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has been a Member of this House far longer than I have. Is there a mechanism where...

Christopher Chope | 704 c808 (Link to this contribution)

The mechanism is for the Minister to intervene on me, and I am happy to give way to her, to say t...

Huw Merriman | 704 cc808-810 (Link to this contribution)

Yesterday, I intervened on the Secretary of State and during his statement he repeated to me:

...
Alec Shelbrooke | 704 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to return to the point I made earlier, and I wonder whether my hon. Friend shares my genui...

Huw Merriman | 704 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree with that, and it is a good point for me to end on. Let us look at not just the consum...

Lord Mackinlay of Richborough | 704 cc810-2 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the dilemma that the Government face and are in. There are two main questions that w...

Nigel Evans | 704 c812 (Link to this contribution)

I see five people standing; the debate has to finish at 3.58 pm and we all want to give the Minis...

Mark Harper | 704 cc812-3 (Link to this contribution)

I shall endeavour to be mindful of that, Mr Deputy Speaker, and shall try to put some of those qu...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c813 (Link to this contribution)

Although I recognise the right hon. Gentleman�s assertion that covid accounts for 6% of patients ...

Mark Harper | 704 cc813-5 (Link to this contribution)

I support the hon. Lady�s general call for transparency, but my point about the numbers is not an...

Steve Baker | 704 cc815-7 (Link to this contribution)

I refer to the declarations that I have made relating to the Covid Recovery Group.

I am esp...

Ben Spencer | 704 cc817-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to follow such a powerful speech from my hon. Friend the Member for Wycom...

Bob Seely | 704 cc819-820 (Link to this contribution)

It is pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe (Mr Baker) and my right hon. Frien...

Sammy Wilson | 704 c820 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right in highlighting the predictions that are wrong, but the un...

Bob Seely | 704 cc820-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes the point most eloquently. Politicians then become fearful. They think, ...

Nigel Evans | 704 c821 (Link to this contribution)

The last contribution before the Minister responds is from Dr Andrew Murrison.

3.30 pm

Andrew Murrison | 704 cc821-3 (Link to this contribution)

I record my interest as a practising doctor. I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Isle of W...

Bob Seely | 704 c823 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend share my frustration that we have all these charts about covid, but we ...

Andrew Murrison | 704 cc823-4 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. The point about that is of course that the national ...

Maggie Throup | 704 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to bring this wide-ranging debate to a close. We are now almost two years on from wh...

Maggie Throup | 704 cc825-6 (Link to this contribution)

I want to continue as many points have been raised and I was very generous in giving way when ope...

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