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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Tuesday, 12 December 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Steve Baker.
Committee stage sixth day. New clause 18, discussed with new clauses 24, 27, 35, 37, 53, 62, 63, 82, 1, 6, 26, 76, 77, clause 7 stand part and amendments, debated and withdrawn. New clause 63 negatived on division (293 to 315). Amendment 49 to clause 7 negatived on division (295 to 312). Amendment 124 to clause 7 negatived on division (93 to 215). Amendment 158 to clause 7 negatived on division (291 to 315). Amendment 25 to clause 7 negatived on division (292 to 314). Clause 7 ordered to stand part. Progress reported. Committee to sit again tomorrow.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

633 cc189-366 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Chris Leslie | 633 c190 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 633 cc190-215 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

New clause 24—Scope of delegated...


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Chris Leslie | 633 c215 (Link to this contribution)

I thought for a minute, Mrs Laing, that you were going to read out all the amendments grouped tod...

Jim Cunningham | 633 c215 (Link to this contribution)

We were told that we were bringing powers back to this Parliament so that this Parliament could t...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. People voting in the referendum might have been moved by that slogan “take back control”...

Mary Creagh | 633 c216 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, like me, will have read in the newspapers about the Cabinet split opening up on d...

Chris Leslie | 633 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that the European Commission and the Republic of Ireland Government saw the phrase “ful...

Chris Leslie | 633 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to digress at this stage. I want to focus particularly on the powers that Ministers...

John Redwood | 633 c216 (Link to this contribution)

Ministers have assured us that if they want to change policy—if, for instance, they see a need fo...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is touching that the right hon. Gentleman takes those assurances from Ministers at face value,...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c217 (Link to this contribution)

When statutes are being considered and Bills are being drafted, there does on occasion come a poi...

Chris Leslie | 633 c217 (Link to this contribution)

That is why Members often say in the House, “Let us place it on the face of the Bill”, which mean...

Tom Brake | 633 c217 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member for Wokingham (John Redwood) referred to Bills relating to, for instance, t...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc217-8 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. There are, I think, eight pieces of subsequent legislation which are also opening up this...

Hilary Benn | 633 c218 (Link to this contribution)

It is not just a question of assurances given from the Dispatch Box. In clause 9, Ministers are p...

Chris Leslie | 633 c218 (Link to this contribution)

It is almost an Alice in Wonderland “down the rabbit hole” concept: the notion that we are passin...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c218 (Link to this contribution)

I have some sympathy with the points that the hon. Gentleman is making, but why did he not raise ...

Chris Leslie | 633 c218 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether there is anything comparable to the sweeping nature of the policy scope of ...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)

If that is indeed the case, two wrongs do not make a right, but I do not think that any other pro...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c219 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that those who draft legislation go off to Government Departments, ...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc219-220 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. and learned Gentleman and any other Member who has had the privilege of serving as...

Chris Stephens | 633 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there is a real concern across the UK in relation to workers’ ...

Chris Leslie | 633 c220 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill’s provisions are so wide-ranging that the protections that our constituents have enjoyed...

Jim Cunningham | 633 c220 (Link to this contribution)

We had a good test of that some time ago in relation to trade union rights, through what the Gove...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc220-1 (Link to this contribution)

The offer from the Government has been a binary yes or no motion at some point when we see the wi...

Mary Creagh | 633 c221 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has talked about the many agencies that we currently rely on to regulate all manne...

Chris Leslie | 633 c221 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has done important work as Chair of the Environmental Audit Committee on some of t...

Angela C Smith | 633 c221 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Government might well find other ways of delivering these func...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and there are good arguments for having independent provision of many of these assessment...

Chris Bryant | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

Is it my hon. Friend’s understanding that the committee would have an automatic Conservative part...

Chris Leslie | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether such a provision exists. Perhaps members of the Procedure Committee will ha...

Helen Goodman | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

We will look at the composition when we look at the Standing Orders. It is not covered in the con...

Chris Leslie | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

That is true, but it deserves to be debated today as well. If we are creating a committee, it is ...

Chris Bryant | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

For that matter, the Procedure Committee has regularly suggested changes to Standing Orders that ...

Chris Leslie | 633 c222 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s point is well made. Again, it goes to show that if we are to assert ourselves as...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc222-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that a lot of Members want to speak, and I want to get to the end of my remarks.

Stephen Doughty | 633 c223 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentions the single market; I wonder whether he noted the research published today...

Chris Leslie | 633 c223 (Link to this contribution)

Yes; I think many hon. Members are under the illusion that free-trade agreements are an okay subs...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 633 c223 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If the hon. Gentleman is out of order, I will tell him that he is out of order. Does he wi...

Chris Leslie | 633 c224 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely do, Madam Deputy Speaker. Amendment 124 talks about protecting the single market pro...

Tom Brake | 633 c224 (Link to this contribution)

The point also enables us to remember that this was in the Conservative party manifesto in 2015.<...

Chris Leslie | 633 c224 (Link to this contribution)

Who could possibly forget that support for the single market was once a key aspect of Margaret Th...

Anna Soubry | 633 c224 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right when he says that Margaret Thatcher was pretty much the authoress of ...

Chris Leslie | 633 c224 (Link to this contribution)

We are putting a lot of effort into trying to get free trade deals with New Zealand, Australia an...

Oliver Letwin | 633 cc224-5 (Link to this contribution)

As always, I am lost in admiration for the extraordinary eloquence of the hon. Member for Notting...

Chris Bryant | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

I just worry about this whole business of relying on the Government saying that they will always ...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is a doughty defender of his party interest and of the House of Commons. On th...

John Redwood | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend clear up one other uncertainty created by the hon. Member for Nottingha...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

One of the most striking moments of hyperbole was when the hon. Member for Nottingham East assert...

Chris Bryant | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, that is not true because the Government are able to change the Act by statutory in...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c225 (Link to this contribution)

Except of course it is, because if the amendment is accepted, as the Government intend, the Proce...

Steve Baker | 633 c226 (Link to this contribution)

On the point made by the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) about amending the Act, which I w...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c226 (Link to this contribution)

That is indeed true. I suppose that Opposition Members would tend to argue that only the courts c...

Helen Goodman | 633 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman referring to new clauses 62 and 63 or amendments 62 and 63?

Oliver Letwin | 633 c226 (Link to this contribution)

New clauses 62 and 63. I do apologise. I am very bad at remembering the nomenclature, but I know ...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c227 (Link to this contribution)

May I continue for a second? I may anticipate what the hon. Lady is going to say, but I will give...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to both hon. Ladies, but I will just say one last thing in case they were going t...

Caroline Lucas | 633 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased about the measures that the right hon. Gentleman outlines, to which the Government a...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I do not suppose that I will succeed now in persuading the hon. Lady. I do not wholly disapprove ...

Mary Creagh | 633 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I do not share the right hon. Gentleman’s confidence that all this will be done in time, and I sh...

Oliver Letwin | 633 cc228-9 (Link to this contribution)

There are quite a lot of bits to unpack in that. If we were to leave without an agreement and hen...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 633 c229 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a brilliant speech. [Laughter.] I cannot disagree with a single word t...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. He is being unduly modest, because in large part it is due to pressu...

Caroline Lucas | 633 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to see the change on animal sentience, but to correct the hon. Member for Richmond P...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I have steadfastly resisted for 21 years engaging in meaningless partisan debate, and I am not go...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 cc230-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mrs Laing, and to follow the right hon. Member...

Chris Bryant | 633 c232 (Link to this contribution)

We might think that the most extreme legislation that would be on the statute book allowed for em...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 cc232-3 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend spoke powerfully about this matter on Second Reading, and he is right ...

Stephen Doughty | 633 c233 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his excellent forensic examination of what is at fault in the Bill. Do...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 cc233-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely our concern. We discussed that at length on day 2 in Committee, when we were ta...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Before the hon. Gentleman moves on, I think what he says about the devolved authorities is incorr...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to take that on board. I learn more about Government environmental policy from the rig...

Mary Creagh | 633 c234 (Link to this contribution)

What the Secretary of State announced to the Environmental Audit Committee on 1 November was the ...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 c234 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a series of good points. I do not take the Government’s commitment in this p...

James Heappey | 633 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Before the hon. Gentleman moves on, I am interested to understand whether the purpose of new clau...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 c236 (Link to this contribution)

The scope of new clause 63 is for the environmental watchdog in England, as we have already said....

Mary Creagh | 633 c236 (Link to this contribution)

One point that my Committee has specifically made on the devolution settlement is that business d...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 cc236-8 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. The devolved Administrations, as my hon. Friend has reminded me, agree that t...

Stephen Doughty | 633 c238 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made an absolutely essential point. Fundamentally, does he agree that if this ...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 c238 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. That is why strengthened scrutiny procedures for appr...

John Redwood | 633 cc238-240 (Link to this contribution)

This debate is very important. As someone who wants this Parliament to take back control on behal...

Chris Bryant | 633 c240 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening very carefully to the right hon. Gentleman. He is resting on the word “tech...

John Redwood | 633 c240 (Link to this contribution)

I am intrigued to hear that characterisation of the hon. Gentleman’s leader; it is not a phrase t...

Mary Creagh | 633 c240 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, does the right hon. Gentleman think that the draft Animal Welfare (Sentencing and ...

John Redwood | 633 c241 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, that decision has been made for me. I have not yet had the advantage of readi...

Tom Tugendhat | 633 c241 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an important point because he is exposing the very fact that, desp...

John Redwood | 633 c242 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad we agree about that. I am trying to make a helpful suggestion for the future on this is...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c242 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making some important points. If I may say, I have signed up to the amend...

John Redwood | 633 c242 (Link to this contribution)

That may be hanging a bit too much on this piece of legislation. I think this is a wider issue, w...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 cc242-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendments 264, 222, 73, 234, 239, 240, 266, 269 and 272, in the name of my ri...

Anna Soubry | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

It is really quite important to understand that this is the process of leaving the European Union...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady has much greater faith in the Government’s intentions than I perhaps do. What...

Tom Brake | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I would like the hon. Gentleman to cast his mind back to before 23 June last year. Can he recall ...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

No, the implication was clearly given that control would be taken back by the people. In fact, it...

Joanna Cherry | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I was struck by the rather sweeping statement by the right hon. Member for West Dorset (Sir Olive...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I do indeed, and I will come on to that in just one moment.

Helen Goodman | 633 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to back up the hon. Gentleman’s request for more information from the Government. In ...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c244 (Link to this contribution)

If we had some more of that detail, we would be a little more reassured, and we would not be able...

Tim Farron | 633 c244 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some excellent points, and I would like to back him up on them. Woul...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c245 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point that is a further illustration of the dilemma that is ...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment, but I want to give a third example, which the Minister may also wish...

Steve Baker | 633 c245 (Link to this contribution)

Could the hon. Gentleman revisit each of the examples he has given and explain why he thinks that...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that they are deficiencies—that is not my point. My point is that a Minister or a ...

Dan Carden | 633 c245 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has talked about the importance of language in this debate. Should we not all ...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed so. There is always the danger that some of the policies that Government may wish to get t...

Mary Creagh | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I understand and sympathise with the hon. Gentleman’s point on deficiencies. Does he agree that o...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. While I am tempted to digress into a debate on what happened with the phase 1 agreement a...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether it would be possible to find definitions that would help. However, the hon....

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that these things may be challenged, but I am trying to argue for a democratic process w...

Joanna Cherry | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Is the point not really that, as has been pointed out by Justice and the Law Society of Scotland,...

Tommy Sheppard | 633 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. That takes me nicely to my next point, which concerns the word “appropriate”.

Tommy Sheppard | 633 cc246-8 (Link to this contribution)

Can I make a little progress? I do not usually say that, but I am barely halfway through at the m...

Tim Loughton | 633 cc248-250 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak. I will do so perhaps rather more briefly and concisel...

Tim Farron | 633 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the hon. Gentleman for all the remarks that he has just made. I, too, have visited many...

Tim Loughton | 633 c250 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s interest in this subject, like that of most others in the House, is exceedin...

Stella Creasy | 633 c250 (Link to this contribution)

It may disturb the hon. Gentleman to know that I have signed his new clause, and I agree very muc...

Tim Loughton | 633 cc251-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am not alarmed by the fact that the hon. Lady has signed my new clause 53; I am flattered and e...

Yvette Cooper | 633 cc252-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak briefly to amendments 48, 49 and 52 in my name. They have cross-party support, in...

Dominic Grieve | 633 cc254-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford (Yvette...

Bernard Jenkin | 633 c256 (Link to this contribution)

May I take it therefore that my right hon. and learned Friend is offering his services on this co...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I am already the Chairman of another Committee of Parliament, and I think it might be undesirable...

Tom Brake | 633 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Can the right hon. and learned Gentleman set out how he thinks the process of scrutiny will be im...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Such organisations can be summoned before the new Select Committee. They can come along and provi...

Vicky Ford | 633 c257 (Link to this contribution)

On quality of the committee and the scrutiny process, the committee will be scrutinising changes ...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c257 (Link to this contribution)

That would be a very sensible course of action. As I say, the burden is on the Government to show...

Dominic Grieve | 633 cc257-9 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. To that extent, it will, as I understand it, have sufficient flexibility and will, I hope...

Geoffrey Cox | 633 c259 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, I am considering what my right hon. and learned Friend is saying with enormous care. Muc...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c259 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend is right. Of course it is true that, although such measures have a his...

Dominic Grieve | 633 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

Such measures may act as a constraint, but once Ministers have taken the plunge, there will not b...

Mary Creagh | 633 cc260-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (Mr Grieve). If he ...

Stephen Kinnock | 633 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware of the fact that at least half of the approximately 42 EU agencies that e...

Mary Creagh | 633 cc261-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises an excellent point, which has also been raised by the European Chemicals Ag...

Steve Baker | 633 c262 (Link to this contribution)

May I reassure the hon. Lady that it is the made affirmative procedure that is available for urge...

Mary Creagh | 633 c262 (Link to this contribution)

But that would still be the negative procedure—

Steve Baker | 633 c262 (Link to this contribution)

No, it is set out in the schedule. It is the made affirmative procedure, which means that once th...

Mary Creagh | 633 cc262-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that clarification.

What could possibly be watered down? The Envir...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 633 c263 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I just ask Members to bear in mind that a lot of colleagues wish to speak and the Minister...

Charles Walker | 633 cc263-6 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will bear that in mind, Dame Rosie, and thank you for calling me.

I rise to spe...

Chris Bryant | 633 c266 (Link to this contribution)

The thing is that the hon. Gentleman’s Committee is chaired by a man who is respected by both sid...

Charles Walker | 633 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I count the hon. Gentleman as a great friend, and say to him that yes, all too often I have come ...

Sarah Wollaston | 633 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend and the Procedure Committee, and I really welcome its proposals. Do...

Charles Walker | 633 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend tempts me so much. It is not my intention today to spook the Government, but I thi...

Tom Brake | 633 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Broxbourne (Mr Walker). He has set out a system, w...

Angela C Smith | 633 c268 (Link to this contribution)

May I take it from what the right hon. Gentleman has said that he is arguing that we should indee...

Tom Brake | 633 c268 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. Many Members on both sides of the House know that one of the most damaging things tha...

Ben Bradshaw | 633 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman will get a lot of support from the Labour Benches if his ...

Tom Brake | 633 cc268-270 (Link to this contribution)

All right—the right hon. Gentleman is probably closer to his Front Bench’s policy than I am, cert...

Anna Soubry | 633 cc270-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake), and I...

Jess Phillips | 633 c271 (Link to this contribution)

May I introduce you to Bill Cash?

Anna Soubry | 633 cc271-2 (Link to this contribution)

I did not hear what the hon. Lady said, but I am sure that Hansard did, so I will move swiftly on...

Angela C Smith | 633 c272 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Lady accept, too, that a significant proportion of the voters who voted leave...

Anna Soubry | 633 cc272-3 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with the hon. Lady. It is not right and it is not fair. It also, as she rightly...

Anna Soubry | 633 c273 (Link to this contribution)

He says, “More.” I do not criticise him for doing so. I bet he has never been called a Brexit mut...

Jess Phillips | 633 cc273-4 (Link to this contribution)

I associate myself with the comments of the right hon. Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry). I agree...

Mary Creagh | 633 c274 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think that the fact that we are disproportionately represented in that way re...

Jess Phillips | 633 cc274-5 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I cannot give with any real certainty the exact reason why Britain uses the orders mo...

Steve Baker | 633 cc275-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to clause 7 and to amendment 391, tabled by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c276 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister clarify from the Dispatch Box that Opposition Members’ assertions that it would...

Steve Baker | 633 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend. I will come on to the specific differences between cl...

Steve Baker | 633 cc276-7 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will explain my approach to interventions, which I should have mentioned at the begin...

Chris Leslie | 633 c277 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned clause 7(5) in relation to the regulatory powers to replace, modify or abo...

Steve Baker | 633 cc277-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to that later, but I can tell the hon. Gentleman for a start that the translatio...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c278 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that, and I realise that I am setting a bit of a challenge. Of course, amendment 1 i...

Steve Baker | 633 c278 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for that intervention.

Geoffrey Cox | 633 c278 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my hon. Friend might be attracted by this idea. At the moment, as drafted, the c...

Steve Baker | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my hon. and learned Friend, and I would be happy to meet him, our lega...

John Penrose | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being very generous and carefully considered in his responses. May I just check w...

Steve Baker | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very straightforward with my hon. Friend: we are keen to move on this issue, but, as se...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Minister will deal with this on some of the other amendments, but the other li...

Steve Baker | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that a little later, but I hope that my right hon. and learned Friend will allow m...

Edward Leigh | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend allow me to intervene?

Steve Baker | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way once, but then I will make some progress, because I am 15 minutes in already.

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Edward Leigh | 633 c279 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has taken several interventions. Some of us have loyally supported Ministers throu...

Steve Baker | 633 cc279-280 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for his robust support, and I shall certainly watch out...

Mary Creagh | 633 c280 (Link to this contribution)

In the absence of the hon. Member for Broxbourne (Mr Walker), whose proposal this is, does the Mi...

Steve Baker | 633 c281 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has put her point on the record, but what we are doing is accepting the amendments ...

Steve Baker | 633 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my hon. Friend will forgive me if I do not. I am very conscious that I am only 20 min...

Vicky Ford | 633 c281 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask my hon. Friend to give way on this point?

Vicky Ford | 633 c281 (Link to this contribution)

May I make a very brief observation about the sifting committee and the expertise? In my experien...

Steve Baker | 633 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my hon. Friend has made a strong case for her membership of the sifting committee. I...

Steve Baker | 633 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

May I just finish making my case? I must point out to my right hon. and learned Friend that I can...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I have noted my hon. Friend’s comments, and I appreciate them, but may I take him back for a mome...

Steve Baker | 633 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

I shall return to the clause 7 versus clause 9 argument a little later.

Amendments 3 and 4 ...

Yvette Cooper | 633 c283 (Link to this contribution)

It is my understanding that the Minister is saying that courts that were told that Ministers had ...

Steve Baker | 633 c283 (Link to this contribution)

I will see whether, before I sit down, my memory can be jogged on an example of case law, but I a...

Joanna Cherry | 633 c283 (Link to this contribution)

Earlier in our debate, the right hon. Member for West Dorset (Sir Oliver Letwin) said that we all...

Steve Baker | 633 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

I think what we would say to the hon. and learned Lady is that “appropriate” will follow the plai...

Steve Baker | 633 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be here for some hours if I take too many interventions, but I will give way to my hon. F...

John Penrose | 633 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I will endeavour not to try my hon. Friend’s patience too much; he is being very generous. I want...

Gary Streeter | 633 c284 (Link to this contribution)

Order. This is a rather long intervention, and the Minister has made it clear that he does not wi...

Steve Baker | 633 cc284-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Weston-super-Mare for putting his own clarificatio...

Tom Brake | 633 c287 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have rightly excluded the Human Rights Act. I just want to understand why the Equa...

Steve Baker | 633 cc287-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to the Equality Act within a page.

Amendments 52, 266, 267, 268, 370, 371 an...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I can understand the Minister’s point on timing, but the reality is that the terms of amendment 1...

Steve Baker | 633 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend for putting me right on that point, but I shall...

Tim Loughton | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s clarification, and I do hope that we can make some progress in, ...

Steve Baker | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes his case with particular force. I am sorry to have to tell him that I am not...

Steve Baker | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Lady once.

Stella Creasy | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister’s colleagues gave a statement on 1 November 2016 that made the commitment to take ch...

Steve Baker | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

These are matters for my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary and the Bills for which her Departm...

Steve Baker | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I just say to my right hon. and learned Friend that I am 51 minutes into my speech and I am only ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 633 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my hon. Friend’s difficulties. He is responding to new clauses and amendments on an ...

Steve Baker | 633 cc290-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my right hon. and learned Friend’s intervention, which has disappointed me neit...

Steve Baker | 633 c291 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because I need to make progress and to keep my remarks to some form of limit...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c291 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say to the Minister, he has actually provided a totally coherent and helpful answer, whi...

Steve Baker | 633 cc291-2 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I am extremely grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend, who I am very happy to see doe...

Robert Neill | 633 c292 (Link to this contribution)

On amendment 359, we seek clarity on the current wording in relation to deficiency by means of a ...

Steve Baker | 633 cc292-4 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my hon. Friend’s point. Just to reassure him: it is our firm intention to carry thro...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c294 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend touches on an important issue. Might it not be the case that any such power done b...

Steve Baker | 633 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I just draw my right hon. and learned Friend’s attention to paragraph 1(2)(c) of part 1 of schedu...

Dominic Grieve | 633 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I take it, therefore, that that covers all the points my hon. Friend has just raised at the Dispa...

Steve Baker | 633 c295 (Link to this contribution)

There are also some matters in relation to fees and charges, which we discussed earlier in the de...

Charles Walker | 633 c295 (Link to this contribution)

May I apologise, as Chair of the Procedure Committee, for arriving late to my hon. Friend’s speec...

Steve Baker | 633 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend.

Let me return to my notes in order that I might ...

Robert Neill | 633 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for devoting that portion of his speech to the detail on financial ...

Vicky Ford | 633 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I have a quick question about financial services legislation and deficiencies. I want to get it c...

Steve Baker | 633 c296 (Link to this contribution)

The first point to make relates to my hon. Friend’s last point. We have agreed to the sifting com...

Steve Baker | 633 c297 (Link to this contribution)

The committee will be busy, and that is why I am so grateful for the fact that several hon. Membe...

Matthew Pennycook | 633 c297 (Link to this contribution)

On a related point about the new sifting committee, will the Minister outline the Government’s vi...

Steve Baker | 633 c297 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been generous enough to say that he appreciates that that is a matter for ...

Charles Walker | 633 c297 (Link to this contribution)

We based the model on the European Scrutiny Committee, in which the Chairman is appointed.

Steve Baker | 633 cc297-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend.

I move on to consent from the devolved Administrations. Am...

Jess Phillips | 633 c298 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the Minister is saying and I take on board that this has to go through the new negoti...

Steve Baker | 633 cc298-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady’s point is well made and has been heard by me and my right hon. and hon. Friends, a...

Steve Baker | 633 c299 (Link to this contribution)

Before I conclude my opening remarks, I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman.

Tom Brake | 633 c299 (Link to this contribution)

It is possible that I switched off, or perhaps nodded off, during the past hour and 20 minutes, b...

Steve Baker | 633 c299 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman enjoys a jest, but I hope that the Committee will understand that, as I ...

Helen Goodman | 633 cc299-302 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the Minister, who presented a rather unbending policy posture th...

Steve Baker | 633 c302 (Link to this contribution)

I will have to check the record—I was just flicking through my speaking notes—but I am sure that ...

Helen Goodman | 633 c302 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to undermine that. I just want the Minister to present what I believe to be a more ...

Helen Goodman | 633 c302 (Link to this contribution)

But before I sit down, I give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Charles Walker | 633 c302 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Lady—I mean the hon. Lady—for her kind words. Why she is not right honoura...

Helen Goodman | 633 c303 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is displaying his usual charm in trying to make hon. Members feel that the Sta...

Robert Neill | 633 cc303-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman) and to participate...

Steve McCabe | 633 cc305-6 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak briefly in favour of amendments 15 and 49, 132, and 5 and 2, tabled by the right ...

John Penrose | 633 cc306-7 (Link to this contribution)

I sympathise instinctively with an awful lot of fears and analyses expressed by the hon. Member f...

Charles Walker | 633 c307 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his kind words about the excellent work of the Procedure Committee. Do...

John Penrose | 633 c307 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely accept that. Another important thing about the sifting committee will be that many o...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c308 (Link to this contribution)

Before my hon. Friend moves on from sifting, does he agree that it represents substantial progres...

John Penrose | 633 cc308-9 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. Those commitments will be important and consequential, but we also need to ensure tha...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c309 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend sure that the source of the problem lies in the term “appropriate”? The more I ...

John Penrose | 633 c309 (Link to this contribution)

What my right hon. Friend has just demonstrated is the point that I was just about to come on to....

Deidre Brock | 633 cc309-310 (Link to this contribution)

I speak in support of the amendments to clause 7 in the names of my right hon. Friend the Member ...

Lord Swire | 633 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady believe that the British electorate were better protected when these powers re...

Deidre Brock | 633 cc310-1 (Link to this contribution)

This is exactly the point, is it not? Under this form of legislation Ministers will not be as acc...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 633 cc311-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clauses 53 and 77 and to amendments 385, 1, 2, 3, 5, 48 and 49. In view of...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c312 (Link to this contribution)

Did my right hon. Friend share my puzzlement at the answer that the Minister gave to that point a...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 633 cc312-4 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend puts it extremely well. I was going to say that the Under-Secretary of State...

Oliver Letwin | 633 c314 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that the proposed changes to the standing orders are particularly...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 633 c314 (Link to this contribution)

That is an excellent point and a very good idea. There has always been a wider call for the Treas...

Charles Walker | 633 c314 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. Does she agree that although time is short an...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 633 cc314-5 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. I hope that those listening get the impression that, what...

Angela C Smith | 633 cc315-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate. It is a real privilege to fo...

James Heappey | 633 c317 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says that the environment has been peripheral to the debate so far. I am sure that ...

Angela C Smith | 633 cc317-8 (Link to this contribution)

The test of whether the Government are committed to maintaining environmental standards—and indee...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c318 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that the European Union has been a force for good for the environment? T...

Angela C Smith | 633 c318 (Link to this contribution)

Environmental standards have improved in this country because the European Union—particularly the...

Vicky Ford | 633 c318 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Lady that a great deal of European legislation on the environment has been ...

Angela C Smith | 633 cc318-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but she clearly was not listening to what I said. Of ...

Ranil Jayawardena | 633 cc319-321 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Penistone and Stocksbridge (Angela Smith), ...

Kerry McCarthy | 633 cc320-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Mr Hanson.

I rise to speak to support new clause ...

Ranil Jayawardena | 633 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not accept that the European Union was very clear that until we triggered arti...

Kerry McCarthy | 633 cc322-5 (Link to this contribution)

In the previous Parliament, I was a member of two Select Committees. I was on the recent chemical...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 633 c325 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, I remind hon. Members that we are just over an hour away f...

James Heappey | 633 c325 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hanson. I wish to speak about the many amen...

Kerry McCarthy | 633 c326 (Link to this contribution)

I think Hansard did record that the Environment Secretary nodded his assent, but I am not entirel...

James Heappey | 633 c326 (Link to this contribution)

For those of us with an environmental mindset, there is a temptation—and I may say more about thi...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c326 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

James Heappey | 633 c326 (Link to this contribution)

I will gladly give way to my diocesan neighbour.

Wera Hobhouse | 633 c326 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that the environment does not stop at borders, and that interna...

James Heappey | 633 cc326-7 (Link to this contribution)

I take the hon. Lady’s point, but I am not sure that the EU is necessarily the only vehicle for t...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 633 c327 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is supposed to be actually in the Chamber in order to intervene.

...

James Heappey | 633 cc327-8 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the DEFRA consultation on the new enforcement body must be published urgently; I agree...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 633 c328 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I again remind Members that there is a knife outside my control. Ten Members, possibly 11,...

Hywel Williams | 633 cc328-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 88, tabled in my name and those of my hon. Friends in Plaid Cymru an...

Nusrat Ghani | 633 cc329-330 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Hanson, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this important debate. Speec...

Stella Creasy | 633 cc330-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have now been in the Chamber for seven hours, apart from a brief sojourn to serve on a Statutor...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 633 c332 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If hon. Members do not keep to five minutes now, we will not get every Member in to contri...

Vicky Ford | 633 cc333-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great honour to follow the wonderful women from Wealden and Walthamstow in their differen...

Wera Hobhouse | 633 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 124, tabled by my right hon. Friend the Member for Carsha...

Alex Sobel | 633 cc335-7 (Link to this contribution)

Today’s sitting has considered many important amendments on issues that I have long supported. Ne...

Stuart C McDonald | 633 cc336-9 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Hanson, for the opportunity to join hon. Members in their criticism of the extraord...

Caroline Lucas | 633 cc338-340 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the provisions in my name, and particularly to new clause 27, which I hope to ...

Caroline Lucas | 633 c340 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry—I love having discussions with the right hon. Gentleman, but I am aware that other peo...

Stephen Kinnock | 633 cc340-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clause 37, tabled in my name and the names of many hon. Friends.

Bef...

Chris Stephens | 633 cc341-2 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak in favour of amendment 73, which was spoken to by my hon. Friend the Member for E...

Stephen Doughty | 633 c342 (Link to this contribution)

The point that the hon. Gentleman makes is absolutely right. Is it not also the case that the Gov...

Chris Stephens | 633 c342 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for making that point for me. He is absolutely correct that that is wh...

Chris Leslie | 633 cc342-3 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very important debate. Some may feel that this is a dry issue of constitutional p...

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