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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Committee stage fourth day. New clause 64 (Creation of UK-wide Frameworks) discussed with new clause 65 (Role of Joint Ministerial Committee). New clause 64 to be read a second time, negatived on division (256 to 313). Amendment 42 to clause 11 negatived on division (292 to 316). Amendment 72 to clause 11 negatived on division (290 to 316). Clause 11 to stand part and schedule 3 be the third schedule of the Bill agreed to on division (315 to 290). Progress reported. Committee to sit again tomorrow.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

632 cc702-858 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 cc703-8 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 65—Role of Joint Minis...


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Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c708 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your guidance, Mrs Laing. I will speak to new clauses 64 and 65, ...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the point my hon. Friend is making so eloquently. Does the news from Brus...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I encourage Ministers to listen very carefully to what my hon. Friend says. Like me, he has a dee...

Mike Gapes | 632 c709 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend refers to Donald Dewar. The basis for the devolution process came about via refere...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c709 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. People voted for these powers to be devolved and it is wrong for the Gov...

Ian Murray | 632 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend for all her work on the Bill. Is she surprised, as I am, that the...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 cc709-710 (Link to this contribution)

We will have to wait until later this evening to see which Lobby they choose to walk through. I, ...

Lucy Frazer | 632 c710 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a passionate speech, but does she accept that powers are not being ripped...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the hon. and learned Lady—if I may be polite—has not quite grasped what we are talki...

Susan Elan Jones | 632 c710 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that in Wales devolution actually came in two tranches—in 1997, but als...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I would never wish to be accused of being anti-Welsh.

Lord Coaker | 632 c710 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is talking about the UK framework and the devolved Administrations. Would she care...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 cc710-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is highlighting the alarm with which we are witnessing the statements coming out t...

Chris Bryant | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not a really important point that the Government seem to forget? When they are negotiati...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to highlight the fact that the Government seem to have acted in a rather ...

Hywel Williams | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). The other border between the United King...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

That is shocking. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman and other colleagues from Wales will continue...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being very generous in giving way. Just last week, senior border immigration of...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c711 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a persuasive speech. She mentioned the renowned Scottish historian Sir To...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 cc711-2 (Link to this contribution)

I sincerely hope that that will not be the outcome, but I have to admire the hon. and learned Lad...

Dominic Grieve | 632 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I am following the hon. Lady’s speech carefully. I am also looking very carefully at her new clau...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

The new clause is not intended to cause conflict—we already have a certain degree of conflict bet...

Ian Murray | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the JMC should be producing communiques that give the public and t...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that Ministers are listening and taking note.

Jonathan Edwards | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Do the Welsh First Minister, and indeed the Welsh Cabinet Secretary for these matters, agree with...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the answer is yes. We have not worked alone on this—we have worked toget...

Jonathan Edwards | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

The plight of the First Minister has always been that new UK frameworks have to be made collabora...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

The intention is that the frameworks would be achieved collaboratively. That is precisely what we...

Hilary Benn | 632 c713 (Link to this contribution)

On the point about conflict that was raised by the right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely the approach that we have tried to take. We are trying to be practical, realis...

Pete Wishart | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the hon. Gentleman is sincere that his intervention will be on that point.

Pete Wishart | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the hon. Lady requires a note from elsewhere to say that this is not one of the amendment...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but I think he is dancing on the head of a pin. W...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I have already given way quite a lot. If the hon. and learned Lady does not mind, I am going to c...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one last time, to the former Minister.

David Jones | 632 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Pursuing the same point, does the hon. Lady not accept that new clause 64(3), having provided tha...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 cc714-5 (Link to this contribution)

The Joint Ministerial Committee said that it wanted frameworks to be created in this way, I think...

David TC Davies | 632 c715 (Link to this contribution)

I first want to pick up on an earlier comment about what Mr Juncker has been saying. If one could...

Susan Elan Jones | 632 c715 (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Gentleman like to explain to the House why he was opposed to Wales having full law...

David TC Davies | 632 c715 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to explain, but I probably will not be able to today. It is a lovely idea, a...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 c715 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do not think that the hon. Gentleman would like to tell the House that at this point. We...

David TC Davies | 632 cc715-6 (Link to this contribution)

Let me return to the matter in hand for a minute, because the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan ...

Peter Grant | 632 c716 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Peter Grant | 632 c716 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the reason why the hon. Gentleman’s campaign against the Welsh Assembly in 1999 failed wa...

David TC Davies | 632 c716 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, that is for the Scots to decide, and they decided that, for the time...

Mike Gapes | 632 c716 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman cannot compare an unconstitutional referendum in Catalonia, in which only 2 mi...

David TC Davies | 632 c717 (Link to this contribution)

I am comparing not the two referendums but the reaction to those two referendums. On that point, ...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c717 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman appears to be making light of the powers coming back from the EU. The Welsh an...

David TC Davies | 632 c717 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows the difference between a local authority area and a parliamentary consti...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c717 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the key point about the referendum not which regions or nations within the United Kingdom ...

David TC Davies | 632 cc717-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Of course, the Government’s whole purpose is...

Madeleine Moon | 632 c718 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman was a Member of the Welsh Assembly for some considerable time. Is he saying th...

David TC Davies | 632 c718 (Link to this contribution)

I can say to the hon. Lady that that is exactly what I am saying to her. May I remind her that in...

Ian Blackford | 632 cc718-9 (Link to this contribution)

Before I begin, I wish to pay tribute to the former hon. Member for Clydesdale, and for Lanark an...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c719 (Link to this contribution)

What are the circumstances in which the right hon. Gentleman would vote for, and what are the cha...

Ian Blackford | 632 c719 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman bears with me, I will take him through that in my speech.

The fundame...

Douglas Ross | 632 c719 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that his tone and language in this debate are quite differen...

Ian Blackford | 632 c719 (Link to this contribution)

A simple one-word answer: no.

Amendment 72 is simple and straightforward. It seeks to ensur...

Ian Murray | 632 c719 (Link to this contribution)

We had a very good briefing, as we always do, from the Law Society of Scotland. It concludes, aft...

Ian Blackford | 632 c720 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. When so many people have worked so hard over many generations and many decades to est...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c720 (Link to this contribution)

I was happy to put my name to amendment 72 because it is not about whether we want this Brexit Bi...

Ian Blackford | 632 c720 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s remarks. He is absolutely correct. Amendment 72 is ab...

Alister Jack | 632 c720 (Link to this contribution)

Can the right hon. Gentleman please tell me one of the 109 powers that is not already implemented...

Ian Blackford | 632 c720 (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite sure what the hon. Gentleman is referring to. If he had listened to what the Scott...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 c721 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I hesitate to interrupt the right hon. Gentleman, but he knows what I am going to say: I a...

Ian Blackford | 632 c721 (Link to this contribution)

My sincere apologies, Mrs Laing. You are right to reprimand me, and I apologise. I am talking abo...

John Lamont | 632 c721 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State and the United Kingdom Government have made it absolutely clear that, afte...

Ian Blackford | 632 c721 (Link to this contribution)

My goodness, that really does demonstrate that they are not getting this. Purely and simply, it i...

Ian Blackford | 632 cc721-2 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to make some progress. I will happily take interventions later.

By supporting the am...

Douglas Ross | 632 c722 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman says that he wants to keep the powers where they are. Does he therefore ...

Ian Blackford | 632 c722 (Link to this contribution)

I do not appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s tone. We cannot get away from the simple fact that this ...

Lucy Frazer | 632 c722 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman keeps saying that we are trampling on powers that Scotland has, and I ju...

Ian Blackford | 632 c722 (Link to this contribution)

The simple fact is that the Secretary of State and others have been asked on a number of occasion...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 632 c723 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, does the right hon. Gentleman agree that, if another region of the United Kingdom ...

Ian Blackford | 632 c723 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, although I am not quite sure what the hon. Gentleman is referring to when he talks about ...

Paul Masterton | 632 c723 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Blackford | 632 c723 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way later.

The Scottish and Welsh Governments have tabled a number of key amend...

David Mundell | 632 c723 (Link to this contribution)

At the start of his remarks, the right hon. Gentleman sought to give us feedback from the meeting...

Ian Blackford | 632 c724 (Link to this contribution)

I can hear Conservative cheering, but what a waste of time that intervention was. The question wa...

Paul Masterton | 632 c724 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman not just demonstrating how out of the loop he is with his own party, ...

Ian Blackford | 632 c724 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised at that intervention from the hon. Gentleman. I expressed right at the outset of m...

Dominic Grieve | 632 c724 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say so, I have sympathy with the point that is being put across—that the way in which th...

Ian Blackford | 632 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. and learned Friend, if I may call him that, for that intervention. I always...

Ian Murray | 632 c725 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, whose amendments I will support this evening; I believ...

Ian Blackford | 632 c725 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is very simple: we would not be leaving the single market of the UK. We are hoping to ...

Ian Murray | 632 c725 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Blackford | 632 cc725-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

The enormity of clause 11 has been highlighted by numerou...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c726 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman genuinely surprised that there has not been progress on some of the r...

Ian Blackford | 632 cc726-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important intervention. We are 17 months on from the vote and we are ...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c728 (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot of scoffing on the Government Benches. Three Committees of this House have heard e...

Ian Blackford | 632 c728 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend makes a strong case. That is why the Government should listen to her, ...

Paul Masterton | 632 cc728-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak, as a Scottish Conservative MP and as a member of ...

Alison Thewliss | 632 c729 (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Gentleman like to tell us how interim interim is?

Paul Masterton | 632 c729 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Lady will bear with me, I am coming on to talk about that.

Clause 11 provides t...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c729 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is pouring some scorn on the phrase “power grab”. He might be interested to kn...

Paul Masterton | 632 cc729-730 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Lady and I perhaps have different definitions of what is interesting.

...

Pete Wishart | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is a very assiduous member of the Scottish Affairs Committee, for which I am g...

Paul Masterton | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree, but the point is that the amendments proposed by the Scottish and Welsh Gover...

Neil Gray | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

Some of the hon. Gentleman’s Conservative colleagues have proposed their own amendments on other ...

Paul Masterton | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

For the simple reason that there is another JMC meeting on 12 December, and we do not believe it ...

Paul Masterton | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress.

These rules are now uniform throughout the UK and many, b...

Christine Jardine | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I am astonished. Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that continual discord, arguments about the co...

Paul Masterton | 632 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but I do not agree. I think that amendments 164 and 1...

Philippa Whitford | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that the principle of the Scotland Act 1998 was that what was ...

Paul Masterton | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Lady was listening, she will have heard me say that I agreed that that was the purpos...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the hon. Gentleman to seriously consider what he has just said. He said that most of the 11...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

They are on the list. You should read it.

David Mundell | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

But not in the form you have said.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 c731 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am always grateful for the help of the hon. Member for Paisley and Renfrewshire North (G...

Paul Masterton | 632 cc731-2 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I draw the attention of the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh South West (Joanna Cherr...

Christine Jardine | 632 c733 (Link to this contribution)

What action will the hon. Gentleman take if amendments 164 and 165 are not passed and his demands...

Paul Masterton | 632 c733 (Link to this contribution)

No, because I do not believe that amendments 164 and 165 provide the position in which I think cl...

Ian Murray | 632 cc733-4 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Member for East Renfrewshire (Paul Masterton) for his contribution. His...

Ross Thomson | 632 c734 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Murray | 632 c734 (Link to this contribution)

I will be happy to take the hon. Gentleman’s intervention if he tells us whether he is standing u...

Ross Thomson | 632 c734 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely the case. That is why there are 13 Scottish Conservative MPs and only seven Sc...

Ian Murray | 632 cc734-5 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman has just demonstrated that he will be voting with the UK Government Wh...

Mike Gapes | 632 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has said:

“I am surprised and dis...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman might be making an interesting point, but it is not directly relevant t...

Ian Murray | 632 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mrs Laing. If I may, I will respond to what the Taoiseach said just by saying I am sur...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c735 (Link to this contribution)

With specific reference to the amendments, particularly around the importance of joint ministeria...

Ian Murray | 632 c735 (Link to this contribution)

That is my point about the constitutional crisis we are in. It seems that the only way to follow ...

Ian Murray | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my friend from the DUP, because I think he might have something interesting to...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the hon. Gentleman thinks I might have something interesting to say as I know that...

Ian Murray | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree with the hon. Gentleman more, but why not bring some of that to the House, rath...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend noticed that the Minister who has apparently been briefing Conservative Member...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

Order. No he cannot. We are discussing new clauses and amendments to the Bill, not what people ar...

Ian Murray | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to you, Mrs Laing. I apologise to the Committee for digressing, but these are incre...

Paul Masterton | 632 c736 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that his amendments would allow every single one of the 111 po...

Ian Murray | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I will answer that directly when I talk about the Law Society of Scotland’s possible options. We ...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman clarify his amendments? Is he suggesting that some parts of the UK should...

Ian Murray | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that all parts of the UK should be treated similarly, which is why I have always champion...

Philippa Whitford | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

On the question of where power actually lies, we know that many farmers voted leave, yet I know, ...

Ian Murray | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

These are complex discussions and issues, but the key principle is that any power devolved under ...

Sammy Wilson | 632 c737 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that if the powers are devolved without a framework having first b...

Ian Murray | 632 c738 (Link to this contribution)

But that assumes that we automatically start from the position of hoarding the powers here at Wes...

Ian Murray | 632 c738 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my parliamentary neighbour.

Deidre Brock | 632 c738 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned the hoarding of powers at Westminster. One of the biggest problems t...

Ian Murray | 632 c738 (Link to this contribution)

It is against the spirit of the devolution settlement, but it is also against the spirit of the r...

Jim Shannon | 632 c738 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman also acknowledge the disrespect that the Taoiseach has shown for the peop...

Ian Murray | 632 cc738-9 (Link to this contribution)

We may be being diverted from the point again, but I think that the Committee, the country and an...

Charlie Elphicke | 632 c739 (Link to this contribution)

May I gently point out to the hon. Gentleman that at least there are three DUP Members in the Cha...

Ian Murray | 632 c739 (Link to this contribution)

I normally say that I am grateful for interventions, but in this instance I will refrain. I do no...

Paul Masterton | 632 c739 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is giving a very good speech, but he is not giving a speech in support of his ...

Ian Murray | 632 c739 (Link to this contribution)

It is funny that the hon. Gentleman now calls my position bonkers after seeking assurances that a...

Paul Masterton | 632 c739 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman does not seem to have read his own amendment. I do not want either clause 11 a...

Ian Murray | 632 c740 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to be disrespectful to the hon. Gentleman. I know that he is new to this place, hav...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c740 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that the reason why my hon. Friend and I—and, indeed, a number of Members on b...

Ian Murray | 632 c740 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I think that it comes down to the word “trust”. Many reports on the Bill come down to...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c740 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again. He is being very generous. Does he agree that this i...

Ian Murray | 632 cc740-2 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We could become involved in a constitutional battle with no end in sight. The Institu...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c742 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman keeps referring to the single market of the United Kingdom. Does he agree that...

Ian Murray | 632 c743 (Link to this contribution)

That is legal semantics. I can buy an animal in Edinburgh and sell it in London, crossing the bor...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c743 (Link to this contribution)

The crucial difference between the single market and the unitary market is that in the single mar...

Ian Murray | 632 c743 (Link to this contribution)

We have just had a bombshell there; the hon. and learned Lady has just told us that she wants to ...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

Sir David, thank you for calling me at this stage of the debate.

To be fair to the hon. and...

Kevin Brennan | 632 c744 (Link to this contribution)

There was a referendum. It was the will of the people.

Bernard Jenkin | 632 cc744-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, I did not realise that I was saying anything particularly provocative—[Interruption.]...

Ian Lucas | 632 c745 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested in the point the hon. Gentleman is making, but is it not the case that the UK Gov...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c745 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been in this House for quite some time, and he should be used to that by n...

Ian Lucas | 632 c745 (Link to this contribution)

What is unusual about this Bill is that it followed a referendum that means we are going to leave...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c746 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that the Bill is in any kind of a mess. I think that we ought to keep the effects...

Pete Wishart | 632 c746 (Link to this contribution)

The main conclusion of Alan Page’s work, with which I am sure the hon. Gentleman is more than fam...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c746 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be surprised no longer, because my next point is that the manner of claus...

Martin Whitfield | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that one of the functions or strategists that can deal with this ma...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree, but the number of times that the JMC and its sub-committees have met formally is few....

Martin Whitfield | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman also agree that diarised meetings and more interaction might lead to conf...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more, but I hope that the hon. Gentleman will acknowledge—I am not being accusa...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Is it my hon. Friend’s view that the mechanisms that determine such communication should be estab...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I have an open mind on that, and I have fiddled around with my amendments, which have not appeare...

Deidre Brock | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point, the Scottish Government have consistently made it clear that they cannot s...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the hon. Lady’s impatience, but we need to be more patient. We are not completing the cons...

Kevin Brennan | 632 c748 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman was mildly critical of the Welsh First Minister for using rhetoric, but the rh...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c748 (Link to this contribution)

The better we know each other, the more we will forgive each other for the rhetoric. That is what...

Lord Coaker | 632 c748 (Link to this contribution)

The Good Friday/Belfast agreement set up many inter-parliamentary institutions, both east-west an...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c748 (Link to this contribution)

Sir David, am I to be tempted to enter a debate on today’s negotiations, or should we wait until ...

Kevin Brennan | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

I must press on, but I will give way once more.

Kevin Brennan | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that there is an inter-parliamentary council? The British-Iri...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

I am endeavouring to raise the tone of this debate, and obviously I am not succeeding with certai...

Ged Killen | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way again. I have said everything I want to say.

My Committee is continuing...

Chris Bryant | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Sir David. I am not sure whether you were in the Chamber earlier, but Mr Spe...

David Crausby | 632 c749 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly pass on your remarks to Mr Speaker but, in the meantime, you have made your poin...

Pete Wishart | 632 c750 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin), who I commend...

Ged Killen | 632 c750 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the danger of clause 11 is that it seeks to replace Scotland’s...

Pete Wishart | 632 cc750-1 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is, of course, absolutely right. I will address some of those issues. He is sp...

Paul Flynn | 632 c751 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the secret to the Government’s thinking on this Bill is in the...

Pete Wishart | 632 cc751-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important point, because a sunset clause is the sort of thing we need to see. It would...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c752 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on making a very positive contribution to this debate compared ...

Pete Wishart | 632 c752 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. My Committee looked at these issues an...

Pete Wishart | 632 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress; I will deal with our report before letting Members in. The key point i...

Pete Wishart | 632 c753 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to the hon. Gentleman. A lot of people wish to speak and I know he will get a ch...

Pete Wishart | 632 cc753-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to the hon. Gentleman and I want to make some progress. In large swathes of devo...

Pete Wishart | 632 c754 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to the hon. Gentleman already. This UK super-state seeks to control and restrict...

Pete Wishart | 632 c754 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman just to shut him up for a bit.

Stephen Kerr | 632 c754 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way to shut me up. All the things he has said for the past ...

Pete Wishart | 632 cc754-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, as always, but I do not recognise his view o...

Pete Wishart | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

He is saying that it is, so I will accept that.

Paul Masterton | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the amendments he is discussing do not reflect the recommenda...

Pete Wishart | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, because I said that. I said that the amendments do not direc...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, of course—as long as I am hearing from the Welsh Government.

Stephen Doughty | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman gives me more power than I currently have. I refer him to the detail of new cl...

Pete Wishart | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for clarifying that. I just refer him to exactly what is in n...

Pete Wishart | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

It speaks about consent, but that leaves it to Ministers of the Crown to create the UK-wide frame...

Kevin Brennan | 632 c755 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that Scottish Ministers and Welsh Ministers are also Ministers of ...

Pete Wishart | 632 c757 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, but that is not the intention of the new clause.

It is shame we are in this pos...

Pete Wishart | 632 c757 (Link to this contribution)

I was starting winding up, but I give way one last time.

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 632 c757 (Link to this contribution)

I want to be absolutely clear about the new clause, because it says clearly:

“Ministers of ...

Pete Wishart | 632 cc757-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know what part of that line the hon. Gentleman does not understand:

“Ministers of ...

John Lamont | 632 c758 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to the measures that relate to Scottish devolution, particularly clause 11, which we...

Madeleine Moon | 632 c758 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way.

John Lamont | 632 c758 (Link to this contribution)

No, I just want to make a little bit of progress.

Although I do not support the amendments ...

Christine Jardine | 632 c759 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that I and, I hope, the hon. Member for Edinburgh South (Ian Murra...

John Lamont | 632 c759 (Link to this contribution)

It is my colleagues on the Government Benches who have made the Scottish Parliament as powerful a...

Madeleine Moon | 632 c759 (Link to this contribution)

I just find this debate absolutely ironic. We talk about the power of the devolved Assemblies at ...

John Lamont | 632 c759 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady should perhaps look at last week’s discussions between the Secretary of State for S...

Ian Murray | 632 c759 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to correct his inaccurate record. He tal...

John Lamont | 632 cc759-760 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point. I will leave it to him to explain to his cons...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c760 (Link to this contribution)

Given the concerns that the hon. Gentleman is raising about many issues and the complexity that h...

John Lamont | 632 c760 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I will not get involved in a running co...

Martin Whitfield | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

Does not the hon. Gentleman agree that these powers have already been devolved? We are talking ab...

John Lamont | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

These powers are with the European Union just now. We all accept that there will be a need for UK...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that there are many moving parts in the current process? Our debate is ...

John Lamont | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Significant progress is being made between the two Gover...

Christine Jardine | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

But does the hon. Gentleman accept that this is not just about how well Scotland’s two Government...

John Lamont | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that the UK Government are holding discussions with the other parts of the United Kingdo...

Chris Elmore | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Lamont | 632 c761 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a little bit more progress.

I completely reject the Scottish Government’s un...

Chris Elmore | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

I am beyond confused by the hon. Gentleman’s assumption that we would reserve the powers that com...

John Lamont | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

My comments relate to the UK-wide framework agreements, on which I thought there was cross-party ...

Ian Murray | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Lamont | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to make a little more progress.

The UK Government have made it crystal clear th...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a point about the power grab, but he needs to understand that this phras...

John Lamont | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. and learned Lady is misrepresenting the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party’s posit...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c762 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Crausby. The hon. Gentleman has used the word “disingenuous”. We have alr...

David Crausby | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman should not have used the word “disingenuous”. I am sure that he will learn fro...

John Lamont | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I will learn, Mr Crausby, and I am happy to withdraw the remark.

The hon. and learned Lady ...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Lamont | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

No; I think I have heard quite enough from the hon. and learned Lady this evening. Despite the rh...

Colin Clark | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it would be of better service to all our constituents if we dialle...

John Lamont | 632 c763 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Both sides agree on the need for common frameworks. As I list...

Ian Murray | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

It seems as if the hon. Gentleman is coming towards the end of his speech. Before he does, will h...

John Lamont | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

If the two Governments agree that a power is required for the framework, that is the type of powe...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

In the past few weeks, we have spelled out many reasons why this Bill will leave the UK worse off...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the speech my hon. Friend has made so far. [Laughter.] I am sure I will agr...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, and I completely agree.

Wales voted for a devolved Government 20 ye...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c764 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady’s remarks lead me to conclude that there seems to be no basis, in her mind, on whic...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I think we are seeing the beginnings of a constitutional crisis right now actually. [Interruption...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that what the hon. Lady is saying is just not true. The excellent report produced by ...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid the Chair disagreed with the hon. Gentleman. [Interruption.] Well, the hon. Gentleman...

Bernard Jenkin | 632 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way—I know she is trying to get on with her speech...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman, and I agree absolutely that we need far more information on how the c...

Wayne David | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

But the very fact that there is no timetable surely gives weight to the argument that what we are...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend, and I completely agree. That is what I am saying in my speech—that this i...

Paul Flynn | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being extremely generous in giving way.

Could we take a practical example...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I completely agree. That just shows that what we have here in a number of policy area...

Luke Graham | 632 c766 (Link to this contribution)

Like the hon. Lady, I represent a constituency in a devolved part of the United Kingdom. Many in ...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman knows, I am not fanning any flames of nationalism; I am talking about democ...

Chris Elmore | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes the point that Conservatives with constituencies in devolved parts of the UK...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. It is so important that structures and discussions are formally put in place across the coun...

Jo Stevens | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I recall that during the passage of the Wales Bill last year we specifically asked for the JMC to...

Anna McMorrin | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

The Government will probably see the error of their ways as the Bill passes through the Lords and...

Alister Jack | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

On 23 June last year, I voted, like more than 1 million Scots and more than 17 million Britons, t...

Tom Brake | 632 c767 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Alister Jack | 632 cc767-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress, if I may. Voting remain was a leap of faith that I could not take. I a...

Hannah Bardell | 632 c768 (Link to this contribution)

One of the hon. Gentleman’s colleagues has just said that he wants specifics about clause 11, whi...

Alister Jack | 632 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that. That is going to happen anyway—by legislative consent motion.

Clause 1...

Tommy Sheppard | 632 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman misunderstands what is happening. At the minute, the EU has legislativ...

Alister Jack | 632 c768 (Link to this contribution)

That is correct—that is what we are negotiating about. The 111 powers are already devolved at imp...

Hannah Bardell | 632 c768 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about different regulations. Surely he understands the desire in Scotlan...

Alister Jack | 632 c769 (Link to this contribution)

The United Kingdom voted to leave and we respect that democratic decision. Earlier, the hon. Memb...

Tom Brake | 632 c769 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Alister Jack | 632 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress. By the time we reach Report, I hope we will have a better idea ...

Christine Jardine | 632 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak specifically to amendments 132, 133 and 134. Like many others before us today, th...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c770 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is a member of the Scottish Affairs Committee, which took evidence from the Secreta...

Christine Jardine | 632 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that. As the hon. Gentleman himself has said, it is currently being negotiated ...

Christine Jardine | 632 c770 (Link to this contribution)

No, that is how it is. The Conservatives are needing to be persuaded, even though they themselves...

Tom Brake | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Would my hon. Friend also like to consider the threat to the United Kingdom that is represented b...

Christine Jardine | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a very good point. That is yet another example of how this Government ...

Ross Thomson | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very interesting debate. It has been quite extraordinary to hear some of the rhet...

Mike Gapes | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am just getting started.

There has been no ability to scrutinise them, amend them, or...

Jo Stevens | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

No, thank you.

The Scottish Parliament will regain powers over agriculture, the environment...

Jo Stevens | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for letting me stop him in mid-flow. Has he never heard of th...

Ross Thomson | 632 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I am aware of the European Parliament, which cannot reject the legislation that is imposed on it ...

Mike Gapes | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

David Amess | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We cannot have two Members standing at the same time. I do not think that the hon. Gentlem...

Ross Thomson | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Sir David.

There was no option for debate, and no opportunity to amend or even r...

Ross Thomson | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make some more progress before I take an intervention.

SNP Members have man...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech, as is characteristic of him. Does he agree that SNP M...

Ross Thomson | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that the rhetoric of the SNP group in Westminster is very different from ...

Drew Hendry | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will answer this point first. It looks as though we are achieving a real consensus about th...

Drew Hendry | 632 c772 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will want to hear this point, believe me. The SNP is only stronger for Brussel...

Ian Blackford | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I should point out to the hon. Gentleman that, when we appeared in front of the Scottish electora...

Ross Thomson | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

In 2016, the SNP went into the election with a majority in Holyrood and lost it. The SNP now depe...

Drew Hendry | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I have literally just answered a point, so I will finish making this one. We will ensure that no ...

Luke Graham | 632 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, although the SNP always talks down Westminster, this is a great o...

Ross Thomson | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. Scotland has two Governments: the United Kingdom Government and the Scot...

Drew Hendry | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

On the subject of powers, does the hon. Gentleman still subscribe to what was written on the bann...

Ross Thomson | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I am so grateful to the hon. Gentleman for bringing that up. By leaving the European Union, we ca...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for saying that the people of Scotland like it when Scotland’s tw...

Ross Thomson | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything that my hon. Friend has said. It is clear from this debate that I want th...

Tom Brake | 632 c774 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 cc774-5 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make some more progress, please.

It would make no sense whatsoever to have four d...

Tom Brake | 632 c775 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ross Thomson | 632 c775 (Link to this contribution)

No, thank you.

We need clause 11 to work for our United Kingdom—to protect it as well as en...

Stephen Doughty | 632 cc775-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a shame to follow the hon. Member for Aberdeen South (Ross Thomson), the tone of whose spee...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c779 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a good speech showing up the deficiencies of the Welsh Assembly and ...

Stephen Doughty | 632 cc779-781 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to get too drawn into conversations about the state of the negotiations. I have alr...

Hywel Williams | 632 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. There is a good deal of agreement between us....

Stephen Doughty | 632 cc781-2 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. The danger of this place is that we sometimes get into the technical detail, but do n...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c782 (Link to this contribution)

Those concerns have been laid out by the Scottish Government for over a year now. Surely today’s ...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree. The simple way to resolve all these issues would be for us to stay within the...

David Duguid | 632 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to speak in this lively debate. I am here to represent all my constitue...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman imagine any politician elected in the Republic of Ireland thinking that Ir...

David Duguid | 632 cc783-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do not recognise those concerns. As has been said by several hon. Members tonight, this is a ma...

Deidre Brock | 632 c784 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about devolved Administrations being involved in discussions, but none o...

David Duguid | 632 c784 (Link to this contribution)

The UK Government are interacting actively with the devolved Administrations, but it has to be re...

Hywel Williams | 632 c784 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (David Duguid), who talked about ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c784 (Link to this contribution)

Although the Tories might need to ruminate on that, clearly Leo Varadkar does not. He has the pow...

Hywel Williams | 632 cc784-7 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. That was an instructive point for us all.

I rise to speak to Plaid Cymru’s amendmen...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c786 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a good point, and the rhetoric of a UK single market would make sens...

Hywel Williams | 632 cc786-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made that point already, and I agree with it.

In contrast to the EU ...

David Jones | 632 c788 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to be asked to address the Committee as a lonely Welsh voice in this Scott...

David Jones | 632 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the hon. Gentleman saying from a sedentary position that there is no such thing. The fact ...

Pete Wishart | 632 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman think that France has a French internal market and that Germany has...

David Jones | 632 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I have never been to Perthshire but I am sure that it is a delightful place. In this country, we ...

Hywel Williams | 632 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I am intrigued. Can the right hon. Gentleman identify anyone who has spoken in the House today wh...

David Jones | 632 cc789-790 (Link to this contribution)

No, but I can identify several people who have denied its existence. Clause 11 seeks to ensure th...

Philippa Whitford | 632 c790 (Link to this contribution)

That is the problem. There is no timescale. This place is snarled up in dealing with Brexit work,...

David Jones | 632 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the hon. Lady that I am also from one of the devolved countries, so I understand her poi...

David Amess | 632 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, I remind the Committee that the debate finishes at 18 minu...

Joanna Cherry | 632 cc791-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the amendments standing in the name of my right hon. Friend the Member for Ross...

Pete Wishart | 632 c793 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right. The Scottish Affairs Committee has not heard one ...

Joanna Cherry | 632 cc793-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am encouraging those Conservatives to listen to the experts who have given evidence to the vari...

Luke Graham | 632 c794 (Link to this contribution)

We have all raised concerns about clause 11, and we are trying to constructively address them. Th...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c794 (Link to this contribution)

The Scottish National party has always worked constructively with all parties to ensure that the ...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I will continue my point.

We are told that it is imperative for everything to be imposed on...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c794 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?

Joanna Cherry | 632 cc794-5 (Link to this contribution)

No, we have heard a lot from the hon. Gentleman. I only have a little time left, and I want to de...

Paul Sweeney | 632 c795 (Link to this contribution)

On the definition of what constitutes a single market and a unitary market, my interpretation is ...

Joanna Cherry | 632 c795 (Link to this contribution)

The distinction I am drawing is between a single market and a unitary market. I am saying that th...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?

Joanna Cherry | 632 c795 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I am drawing my comments to a close.

I want to address one of the many points we...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c796 (Link to this contribution)

This debate concerns all constituent countries of the United Kingdom, but I will reserve my remar...

Patrick Grady | 632 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Let me make it simple for the hon. Gentleman. The founding principle of the devolution settlement...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Like my hon. Friend the Member for East Renfrewshire (Paul Masterton), I believe that changes wil...

Ian Murray | 632 c796 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is talking a lot about being on the doorsteps in his constituency. When his co...

Andrew Bowie | 632 cc796-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that question. I have to admit I have never been asked specificall...

Pete Wishart | 632 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman actually saying that if, for whatever reason, clause 11 was not passed or w...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure I actually understand the premise of the question. I will give way again if the hon...

Pete Wishart | 632 c797 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite straightforward. The hon. Gentleman is alleging and suggesting that, for some reason,...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I am arguing that, if we agreed to the provisions set down by the Scottish National party and the...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, I am afraid, given that I have to wrap up soon.

As things stand today,...

Neil Gray | 632 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in one of the most important constitutional debates im...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Neil Gray | 632 cc799-801 (Link to this contribution)

To be fair, the hon. Gentleman has had a good say this evening.

I am not the only one conce...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I will—[Interruption.] Yes, I am going to speak. I know that SNP Members will be very pleased abo...

Ian Murray | 632 c801 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is one of the 12 new Scottish Conservative MPs. Many of his colleagues have al...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to that point, if the hon. Gentleman will let me make some progress through my spe...

Andrew Bowie | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that SNP Members have absolutely no interest in our making a success of...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I was about to say that the SNP is like a collection...

Chris Law | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

The Fraser of Allander Institute predicts that not 80,000, but 139,000 jobs are at stake. Does th...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for bringing the Fraser of Allander Institute to the attention of the ...

Paul Sweeney | 632 c802 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman referred earlier to the Scottish Parliament being the most powerful Parliament...

Stephen Kerr | 632 cc802-3 (Link to this contribution)

In my opinion, divergence brought about by devolution enriches the fabric of the Union, but the d...

Ian Murray | 632 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Stephen Kerr | 632 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I was just about to deal with the hon. Gentleman’s previous intervention, but I will sit down.

Ian Murray | 632 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I was about to ask the hon. Gentleman when he was going to talk about the deficiencies in clause ...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I will say this much: it is not that I do not understand people’s concerns about clause 11, becau...

Deidre Brock | 632 c803 (Link to this contribution)

If the UK Government genuinely wish to show willing towards the Scottish Government and their con...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

There are, as we have discussed, either 109 or 111 powers. The Public Administration and Constitu...

Ian Murray | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Like many of his colleagues, the hon. Gentleman is therefore admitting that clause 11 is deficien...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and that is no surprise, because I sit on the Conservative side—the Government side—of the H...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has told his Front-Bench colleagues that he will vote with the Government this...

Stephen Kerr | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

In common with other colleagues who have spoken today, I expect there to be amendments, and when ...

Ian Murray | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Sir David. I am slightly confused about the process in this Chamber. The hon...

David Amess | 632 c804 (Link to this contribution)

That is not a point of order; it is a point of frustration.

Stephen Kerr | 632 cc805-6 (Link to this contribution)

Let me press on, because I did say that I would be brief, and I am in danger of not keeping that ...

Ronnie Cowan | 632 cc806-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Dame Rosie. I shall attempt to keep my remarks within the time limit handed down by th...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support clause 11 and schedule 3. Let me say at the outset how grateful I am to all Mem...

Ian Murray | 632 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Minister for interrupting him so early in his speech. Many members of his own ...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I will set out the Government’s position in due course during my speech. [Interruption.] The hon....

Stephen Doughty | 632 c807 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making an important point about businesses being able to trade. Given the amendme...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc807-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is not for me to comment, during a Committee stage, on the process of European negotiations. T...

Chris Leslie | 632 c809 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister speaks of common approaches across the EU. We have heard today about the possibility...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

I note that the hon. Gentleman has just walked into the Chamber. He is welcome to make a speech l...

Deidre Brock | 632 c810 (Link to this contribution)

On the temporary nature of these proposals, why have the Government not chosen just to put in pla...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c810 (Link to this contribution)

The issue around placing a sunset clause on this provision is that, in a way, it creates an artif...

Pete Wishart | 632 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the Minister’s speech, but I am not hearing much about addressing the...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened for six hours to the concerns of Members, but outside this Chamber there is an en...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc810-1 (Link to this contribution)

No, not at the moment.

There are no powers that the devolved Administrations currently have...

Chris Elmore | 632 c811 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister uses the word “temporary”. How long is temporary, and why is that not specified in t...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c811 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman points to the word “temporary”, and I repeat that this is a temporary competen...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c811 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have given way a lot—[Interruption.] I am going to carry on with my speech otherwise I will...

Ian Lucas | 632 c811 (Link to this contribution)

I am puzzled. The Minister has made it clear that the Government’s intention is to maintain the c...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be aware that the clock is ticking, and that we have a limited amount of ...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

No, only once for each person. I will give way to the hon. Member for Central Ayrshire (Dr Whitfo...

Philippa Whitford | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Why will having a Brexit date give certainty and clarity, yet having a date on which the powers w...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

We will be discussing the clause 10 powers to which the hon. Lady refers on a separate day—on the...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Member for Ilford South (Mike Gapes) now.

Mike Gapes | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. Clause 11(3) refers to the Northern Ireland Assembl...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c812 (Link to this contribution)

We are moving on to some of the clause 10 issues around international obligations, but when it co...

Martin Whitfield | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister envisage requesting the legislative consent motions before explaining what amen...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

As I have stated, the Government’s intention is to seek legislative consent for the Bill from all...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to carry on with my speech. The hon. Gentleman has already intervened and now he decid...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We cannot have sedentary interventions. If the Minister wants to give way, he will give wa...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

We have been working closely with the devolved Administrations on these questions and will contin...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c813 (Link to this contribution)

I may be able to save the Minister a job here. New clause 64 includes what he is reading out, wor...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady did not touch on the communiqué and seemed to push it to one side without acknowled...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c814 (Link to this contribution)

How does the UK Government’s approach to working together with the devolved Administrations diffe...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The work on the common frameworks that clause 11 addresses points to the fact that we are keenly ...

Wes Streeting | 632 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talks about the constructive relationship with the devolved Administrations. Has he ...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c814 (Link to this contribution)

A bit of a wasted intervention. I am here to talk about clause 11. I do not know whether the hon....

Chris Skidmore | 632 c815 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is very kind, but we are discussing the effect of clause 11 and schedule 3 —th...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c815 (Link to this contribution)

I have already given way.

We want to build momentum over the coming months in the continued...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c815 (Link to this contribution)

No.

I am grateful to hon. Members for raising important points of detail on the ongoing fra...

Liz Kendall | 632 c815 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is talking about the impact on people in the UK. Under the Good Friday agreement, pe...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with what the hon. Lady says. It is important to note that, when it comes to th...

Ian Murray | 632 c816 (Link to this contribution)

I feel that the Minister may be finishing his remarks. I intervened at the beginning of his speec...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c816 (Link to this contribution)

As I stated at the opening of my remarks, and as I will state throughout my speech and at the end...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c817 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for what he is saying, but it is clear that the Welsh Government and the Sco...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc817-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am discussing whether the clause should stand part of the Bill and I am about to turn to the ho...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c818 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the determination is very simple. It is set down in the Scotland Act 1998 that what is not...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc818-820 (Link to this contribution)

As I set out clearly at the beginning of my speech, when current EU law—which it is the UK’s posi...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 632 c819 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talked earlier about co-operation and listening. Our party represents the Gove...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c819 (Link to this contribution)

I am currently going through the list of amendments and setting out the Government’s position on ...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c819 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way to the hon. Gentleman several times; I will not do so again.

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc819-821 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman came in relatively late. I have given way to him several ...

Ian Murray | 632 c821 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is addressing the amendments in my name and those of my hon. Friends. The hon. Membe...

Chris Skidmore | 632 c821 (Link to this contribution)

I have already stated that the Government are prepared to listen to all those who seek to improve...

Stephen Doughty | 632 c821 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is being generous in giving way. My name is on a number of these amendments. Will he...

Chris Skidmore | 632 cc822-4 (Link to this contribution)

We have always made it clear that we stand ready to listen to those who offer improvements to the...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 632 c823 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As colleagues will see, a number of hon. Members still want to speak. If interventions are...

Mike Gapes | 632 cc823-6 (Link to this contribution)

Having listened to this debate for seven hours and been in the Chamber for most of it, I can say ...

Alison Thewliss | 632 c826 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Ilford South (Mike Gapes), because that was an absolutely pe...

Lord Beamish | 632 c826 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says that the plan is ambitious, but, in practice, waste from Scotland is simply be...

Alison Thewliss | 632 cc826-8 (Link to this contribution)

I would take issue with that, and our plan is ambitious. An awful lot of our plan depends on the ...

Tommy Sheppard | 632 cc828-830 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to reassure the hon. Member for Stirling (Stephen Kerr), who is no longer in the Cham...

Tommy Sheppard | 632 c829 (Link to this contribution)

The Ministers are nodding their heads. If that is the case, why have they not identified them? Wh...

Deidre Brock | 632 cc831-2 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I rise in support of amendments 72, 184 and 185. I am disa...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 632 cc832-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Edinburgh North and Leith (Deidre Brock).

I ...

Drew Hendry | 632 c834 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard a great deal about clause 11 tonight. My right hon. Friend the Member for Ross, Sky...

Alan Brown | 632 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way so early in his speech. I do not know whether he has seen t...

Drew Hendry | 632 cc834-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made a good point. It is important for us to be aware that there are forces th...

Brendan O'Hara | 632 cc835-6 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by echoing the words of my right hon. Friend the Member for Ross, Skye and Lochaber (Ian ...

Jamie Stone | 632 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has mentioned the word “road”, which prompts me to intervene on him. When the ...

Brendan O'Hara | 632 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. This is why my constituency, his constituency and the con...

Ian Blackford | 632 c836 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a first-class contribution to the debate. I declare an interest as a cro...

Brendan O'Hara | 632 cc836-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for that intervention. I will touch on that issue in a moment.

Stephen Gethins | 632 c837 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, if immigration powers were to be devolved to the Scottish Parliam...

Brendan O'Hara | 632 c837 (Link to this contribution)

I could not have put that better myself. My hon. Friend is absolutely correct.

11.45 pm

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John McNally | 632 cc837-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the amendments in the name of my right hon. and hon. Friends and to oppose clau...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 632 c839 (Link to this contribution)

After eight hours of debate, during which I lost count of the number of contributions, I do not t...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 632 cc853-8 (Link to this contribution)

Under Standing Order No. 83D(4), I must now put the single stand part question.

Question pu...

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