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Energy Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills and Legislative Grand Committee proceedings (HC) on Monday, 14 March 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Amber Rudd. The answering member was Lisa Nandy.
Programme (No. 2) motion on proceedings on consideration, Legislative Grand Committee and third reading. Agreed to on question. Report stage. Clause 79, amendment negatived on division (183 to 270). Clause 80, amendment negatived on division (229 to 271). Clauses 2, 81 and Title, amendments made. New clause 3, negatived on division (229 to 268). New clause 8, negatived on division (227 to 272). New clause 10, negatived on division (229 to 275). Sitting suspended for certification of the Bill. House resolved itself into the Legislative Grand Committee (England and Wales). Consent motions resolved. Occupant of the Chair left the Chair to report the decision of the Committee. Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, decisions reported. Queen's and Prince of Wales's consent signified. Third reading agreed to on question. Bill passed with amendments.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

607 cc662-751 

Session

2015-16

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Energy Bill (HL) 2015-16. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Thursday, 4 February 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Callum McCaig | 607 c663 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 607 cc663-7 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 24, in clause 79, page ...


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Callum McCaig | 607 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 2 is straightforward. It would re-devolve the power to issue a closure order in respec...

John Bercow | 607 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Very disorderly conduct. The hon. Gentleman is pressing a serious case. If I may, at the risk of ...

Callum McCaig | 607 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I quite caught that, Mr Speaker.

John Bercow | 607 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Fortunately for the hon. Gentleman, he does not need to do so. He is innocent. He has been transg...

Callum McCaig | 607 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Speed is the operative word, I think. We have called for the re-devolution of the power and for t...

John Redwood | 607 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman remind the House why he wishes to burden his constituents and others with...

Callum McCaig | 607 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

Onshore wind has clearly been demonstrated to be one of the cheapest forms of renewable energy. I...

John Bercow | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is not giving way—he has concluded his remarks.

John Bercow | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

No. We will take Mr Chris Heaton-Harris and then come to the hon. Member for Southampton, Test (D...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me early in the debate, Mr Speaker.

I sat on the Energy Bill Committe...

Callum McCaig | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

I am surprised that the hon. Gentleman wants me to give way.

Callum McCaig | 607 c669 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that we had that debate, but does he accept that we will b...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

If we are talking about paying for things, I wonder how the SNP would have paid for its proposals...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 607 c670 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has a great deal of knowledge and expertise on these issues. The other place set a...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I actually think there has been some sensible debat...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 607 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the issue that he rightly raises is compounded by the complementar...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Those are two very valid points. I have seen flicker for myself. Although I stood in the flicker ...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c671 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern about the fact that in Wales, policy is concentrated in ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 cc672-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very wise point, and one that I will come to later, if I may. I will just tease the hon...

Philip Boswell | 607 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the decision on whether projects go ahead should sit with the ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c674 (Link to this contribution)

I have long contended—I have said it in pretty much every speech I have given on wind in the Hous...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 607 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware of the work of Professor Peter Styles of Keele University, who published ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 cc674-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much aware of that study and obviously agree with what Professor Styles found. The inte...

John Redwood | 607 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Can my hon. Friend tell us what the fix is for this? Is there a realistic way of suppressing the ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c675 (Link to this contribution)

The best way to suppress the noise is to turn the turbine off for the period of time when the noi...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my hon. Friend, who has a vast amount of experience in this area.

Heidi Allen | 607 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Not me personally, but certainly the residents in my constituency have. Everything my hon. Friend...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 cc675-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her contribution and I agree with her. I have been to Cotton Farm to s...

David Mowat | 607 c676 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an interesting speech about amplitude modulation. Is it predictable—is i...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 607 c676 (Link to this contribution)

It is as predictable as the wind. We know which direction the wind will come from and how fast it...

Alan Whitehead | 607 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to our amendments 24 to 33 and 40 to 46, which, although standing individually, f...

John Redwood | 607 c677 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that from the moment people knew who had won the general election, they knew w...

Alan Whitehead | 607 c677 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman might have jumped the gun in respect of the point he wanted to make abou...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 607 c677 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but is there not an issue of fairness and social equity...

Alan Whitehead | 607 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come on in a few moments to the question of whether the Conservative party has an elector...

John Redwood | 607 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman inventing a new doctrine: that Governments should never try and change the ...

Alan Whitehead | 607 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Again, the right hon. Gentleman misses the point I am making. This is not about the Opposition at...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c678 (Link to this contribution)

In formulating his amendments, has the hon. Gentleman had time to consider the recent excellent r...

Alan Whitehead | 607 cc678-681 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to draw attention to that report and, indeed, to the issue...

David Mowat | 607 c681 (Link to this contribution)

A few moments ago, the shadow Secretary of State appeared unhappy that the capacity auction annou...

Alan Whitehead | 607 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

The question of whether the capacity auction should have been brought forward is secondary to the...

John Redwood | 607 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the Government and to urge the rejection of amendments that would delay getting...

David Mowat | 607 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Germany uses coal all the time and the wind power is the intermittent stuff. Germany’s carbon emi...

John Redwood | 607 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but, as my hon. Friend will agree, when the wind does not blow, Germany has to use more coal...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Has the right hon. Gentleman had an opportunity to reflect on the complete U-turn by Energy UK, w...

John Redwood | 607 c683 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have not had the chance to reflect on that, but it does not seem to be a very interesting o...

John Redwood | 607 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Let me just deal with the hon. Gentleman, and then I will happily deal with the shadow Minister. ...

Alan Whitehead | 607 c684 (Link to this contribution)

Has the right hon. Gentleman had the opportunity to go to the national balancing services centre,...

John Redwood | 607 c684 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, as Member of Parliament for Wokingham, I have visited the centre on several occasions,...

Matthew Pennycook | 607 c684 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman talks about security. Does he share the concerns that I have and that ha...

John Redwood | 607 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I have been trying to explain, the reason we end up with dear gas is all the other subsidised ...

Philip Boswell | 607 cc685-6 (Link to this contribution)

Onshore wind is one of the most inexpensive forms of renewable energy, and it is therefore critic...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

Before dealing with other proposals, I would like to speak to Government amendment 50. As I made ...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c687 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has outlined the criteria for closing the scheme. Does she share my concern that in ...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc687-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point, but I think that our grace periods are...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c689 (Link to this contribution)

Further to my previous intervention, is the Minister in a position to inform the House and my con...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said to the hon. Gentleman, I think our intentions are clear from words spoken in this ...

Callum McCaig | 607 c690 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to ask leave to withdraw the clause.

Clause, by leave, withdrawn.

Callum McCaig | 607 c699 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 cc699-702 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 6—Emissions trading: U...

Callum McCaig | 607 c702 (Link to this contribution)

Having moved new clause 3, I shall speak to new clauses 1 and 4—I am rather confused by the order...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman. Does he agree with me that the fact that this information was ex...

Callum McCaig | 607 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree. I remember sitting on this very Bench, looking through the Budget statement an...

Philip Boswell | 607 c703 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point, on the very morning of that Budget, I intervened on another Member and ask...

Callum McCaig | 607 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. The fact that different parties have the same essential view not onl...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c704 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is spot on about Teesport work at Hartlepool and the decommissioning of rigs. ...

Callum McCaig | 607 c704 (Link to this contribution)

A large number of things need to be done before we commence wholesale decommissioning, and this i...

Philip Boswell | 607 c704 (Link to this contribution)

On the point about that opportunity, does my hon. Friend agree that decommissioning goes hand in ...

Callum McCaig | 607 cc705-6 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend, and that is something the Oil and Gas Authority is set to look at. I...

David Mowat | 607 c706 (Link to this contribution)

I rise perhaps early in this debate but, in the absence of alternatives on this side of the Chamb...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c706 (Link to this contribution)

In reference to new clause 10, it quite obvious that the market in the European ETS is set, yet w...

David Mowat | 607 c706 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes two points, the first of which is about the carbon price floor. As it ha...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c706 (Link to this contribution)

It was about the differential. The distribution of costs is much more on the consumer in EU membe...

David Mowat | 607 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is true of Germany in particular. Apparently—I am not an expert in this area, but I hear Min...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I recognise that the hon. Gentleman is talking about individual states’ emissions and Europe-wide...

David Mowat | 607 c707 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that Chinese dumping is an issue. I also agree that business rates are an issue. However,...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c707 (Link to this contribution)

What the hon. Gentleman is saying contradicts comments from Eurofer and UK Steel. The two primary...

David Mowat | 607 cc707-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s position strikes me as rather odd. I agree with him that the EMS status is i...

Alan Whitehead | 607 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak about new clauses that relate to a number of aspects of the Bill, and to the posi...

Alistair Carmichael | 607 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the hon. Gentleman. How likely does he think it will be that any private ...

Alan Whitehead | 607 cc710-3 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes an important point. Indeed, a carbon capture strategy that sets ou...

Ed Miliband | 607 cc712-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clause 11, which was tabled in my name, that of my hon. Friend the Member ...

Rebecca Pow | 607 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I have enormous respect for the right hon. Gentleman. I applaud his positive steps and everything...

Ed Miliband | 607 c714 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the end of the hon. Lady’s point. My proposal is deliberately pragmatic. It would pu...

Alistair Carmichael | 607 cc714-5 (Link to this contribution)

New clauses 5 and 6 stand in my name, but they are covered by other new clauses, so I do not inte...

Callum McCaig | 607 c715 (Link to this contribution)

I made the point about a large part of the tax liability for decommissioning falling on the Treas...

Alistair Carmichael | 607 cc715-6 (Link to this contribution)

There absolutely has to be that support. We have seen the tax intake from the North sea fall off ...

Caroline Lucas | 607 c716 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak mainly to new clause 12, which stands in my name and deals with the need for a st...

Jonathan Edwards | 607 c716 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady think the German strategy, energiewende, offers a way forward for the UK? It i...

Caroline Lucas | 607 cc716-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention and I agree with what he says, as that strategy d...

Alex Cunningham | 607 c719 (Link to this contribution)

I rise specifically in support of new clause 7 relating to carbon capture and storage both as cha...

Tom Blenkinsop | 607 c720 (Link to this contribution)

CCS is vital, because it gives a means by which steel—and other existing energy intensive industr...

Alex Cunningham | 607 c720 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and near neighbour makes the point clear.

Being a leader is critical to our ...

Anna Turley | 607 c720 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate my hon. Friend’s generosity. He is right. At a time when Teesside has seen so many j...

Alex Cunningham | 607 cc720-1 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I know that local trade unions have been campaigning on this. There are examples on Teess...

Paul Blomfield | 607 cc721-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak briefly in support of new clause 11, to which I am delighted to have added my name,...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc722-3 (Link to this contribution)

Government amendments 48 and 49 add the relevant provisions of the Oil Taxation Act 1975 and the ...

Alex Cunningham | 607 c723 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to acknowledge the work the Minister has done, but the important thing is that we co...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 c723 (Link to this contribution)

The new clauses seek to place a duty on the Secretary of State to produce and implement a CCS str...

Philip Boswell | 607 c723 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her commitment to carbon capture and storage. However, in terms of our c...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc723-4 (Link to this contribution)

What I can say is that the Government have invested more than £220 million in CCS since 2011. Thi...

Alex Cunningham | 607 c724 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves on, will she hazard a comment on the proposed project on Teesside, whic...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc724-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said to the hon. Gentleman, I continue to engage with him and others, and Lord Oxburgh’...

Caroline Lucas | 607 c726 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady elaborate a little more on her point about technology neutrality? All I am tal...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc726-7 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Lady well knows, one transitional approach to decarbonisation is to move away from co...

Alan Whitehead | 607 c727 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the proposal that the Minister herself is putting forward for the future inclusion of smal...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc727-8 (Link to this contribution)

As I have explained to the hon. Gentleman, his new clause would not actually have that effect.

Alistair Carmichael | 607 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I am as disappointed with the Minister as she claims to be with me. To suggest that the OGA, whic...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 c728 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman misses the point. The OGA is going to have an enormous brief. The point ...

Callum McCaig | 607 c728 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for drawing attention to that. It is absolutely fundamental that the OGA has...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 cc728-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. He will be aware that the Chancellor and the Prime ...

John Bercow | 607 c729 (Link to this contribution)

I call Callum McCaig, if he wishes to speak.

Callum McCaig | 607 c729 (Link to this contribution)

indicated dissent.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 607 c729 (Link to this contribution)

Our consideration having been completed, I will now suspend the House for no more than five minut...

John Bercow | 607 cc729-742 (Link to this contribution)

I can now inform the House that I have completed certification of the Bill, as required by the St...

John Bercow | 607 c742 (Link to this contribution)

Under Standing Order 83M(4), the House must forthwith resolve itself into the Legislative Grand C...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 607 c742 (Link to this contribution)

There will now be a debate on the consent motion for England and Wales. I remind hon. Members tha...

Andrea Leadsom | 607 c742 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That the Committee consents to the following certified clause of the Energy ...

Amber Rudd | 607 cc742-4 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

This Government are focused on del...

Lisa Nandy | 607 cc744-5 (Link to this contribution)

With the important exception of its provisions relating to the North sea industries, the Bill has...

John Redwood | 607 c745 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady remind us why, when Labour was in office for all those years, it made no decis...

Lisa Nandy | 607 cc745-7 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is wrong. As a matter of fact, he is wrong about a number of other thing...

John Redwood | 607 c747 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Bill because it attempts to deal with some of the damage that has accumulated in re...

George Kerevan | 607 c747 (Link to this contribution)

Where does the security of supply lie in the Prime Minister flying to Paris to ask the French Pre...

John Redwood | 607 c747 (Link to this contribution)

That must be worked out between the contracting parties. I have not been urging them to do that, ...

George Kerevan | 607 c748 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, after France, the Chancellor of the Exchequer seems bent on handing over the entir...

John Redwood | 607 cc748-9 (Link to this contribution)

I trust not. I have not seen all the documents, but I am sure that we will see more of the detail...

Callum McCaig | 607 cc749-750 (Link to this contribution)

I have learned a lot from this process, and I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Coatbridge, Chr...

Peter Aldous | 607 cc750-1 (Link to this contribution)

As we have heard, this Bill is predominantly about setting up the Oil and Gas Authority. We need ...

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