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Protection of Freedoms Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 13 December 2011, in the House of Lords.
Protection of Freedoms Bill. Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 26 to 36 agreed to. Clause 37 under consideration when the Sitting adjourned. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Reference

733 c277-330GC 

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Protection of Freedoms Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 99-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 October 2011
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee - Twentieth Report on: Protection of Freedoms Bill 2010-12; Education Bill 2010-12 (Government amendments); London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (Amendment) Bill 2010-12 (Government response). (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 26 October 2011
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) twentieth report on the Protection of Freedoms Bill.
Wednesday, 2 November 2011
Parliamentary committees
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Proceeding contributions

Earl of Erroll | 733 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an area which I have been thinking and worrying about because of the practicalitie...
Lord Lucas | 733 c277-80GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may start off with a general remark, let me say that I suspect that I will end up pre...

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Lord Henley | 733 c291GC (Link to this contribution) I accept that there can be a problem with inertia. It is what one might refer to as the ““cheque is ...
Lord Selsdon | 733 c300GC (Link to this contribution) Maybe my noble friend could help me with something. I have asked previously how many cameras are reg...
Lord Marlesford | 733 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should first declare an interest as I have CCTV cameras around my house. My main point i...
Lord Henley | 733 c300GC (Link to this contribution) That is not the only aspect. There is also the cost. The noble Lord has not said who is going to pay...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c305-6GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 100 withdrawn. Amendments 101 and 102 not...
Lord Lucas | 733 c293-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very sad indeed to learn that my noble friend’s equipment is entirely inanimate, but ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 733 c295GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify before the next stage of the Bill whether or not, in circumstances where a ...
Lord Henley | 733 c294GC (Link to this contribution) If I may, I will just briefly respond to the noble Lord. Obviously, on the question of what is reaso...
Lord Scott of Foscote | 733 c320GC (Link to this contribution) Everyone who is mentioned in subsection (5) is either an individual or a corporate body and would fa...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister referred to compliance by relevant authorities and others who might look at h...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 733 c311-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall start by picking up where the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, left off, and by makin...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 733 c311GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the dilemma in front of us is basically to do with the application of CCTV, its value and ...
Baroness Randerson | 733 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 107, I will speak also to Amendment 109 in my name and to Amendment 10...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 733 c310-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this group of amendments, but with a degree of confusion as to just what the Bil...
Lord Lucas | 733 c308GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 103 withdrawn. Amendments 104 to 106 no...
Baroness Randerson | 733 c309GC (Link to this contribution) 107: Clause 33, page 25, line 1, at end insert— ““( ) any government department or any other public ...
Lord Lucas | 733 c308GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend for that answer, particularly the sudden inspiration...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 733 c308GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be very happy to take away the points that my noble friend has raised and will, of...
Lord Lucas | 733 c307GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not talking at all about speed camera technology.
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 733 c307-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was just about to say to my noble friend that I know that he was not talking about speed...
Lord Lucas | 733 c277GC (Link to this contribution) 85: Clause 26, page 19, line 27, leave out subsection (2) and insert— ““(2) A parent shall be given ...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I had better not continue down this route—I could, but it would take more time than the Comm...
Lord Lucas | 733 c283GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that we are all supposed to do that, but I am sure that she has seen, as I have, gr...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c285GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment simply provides for the turnover of pupils generally on an annual basis. I c...
Lord Haskel | 733 c280GC (Link to this contribution) I have to tell your Lordships that, if Amendment 85 is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 86 to 88 bec...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c283GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 91 in this group, which is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Wa...
Lord Rosser | 733 c280-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have four amendments in this group: Amendments 86, 89, 93 and 96. Amendments 86, 89 and...
Earl of Erroll | 733 c286GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I am sorry to have wasted the Committee’s time. In general, I think that a lot of these a...
Baroness Walmsley | 733 c286-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lady Hamwee on Amendment 91 and will make a few comments about other noble...
Lord Henley | 733 c285GC (Link to this contribution) In the interests of time, I confirm that that is correct.
Lord Henley | 733 c292GC (Link to this contribution) Government policy has not changed, and the noble Lord will accept that the words I was using were me...
Lord Rosser | 733 c291-2GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has raised a number of issues, but could he confirm that under the Government’s proposa...
Earl of Erroll | 733 c291GC (Link to this contribution) I want to go back to the business about being able to assume that there is implied consent, when it ...
Lord Henley | 733 c287-91GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as regards consultation, we consult till the cows come home in this department and every o...
Lord Rosser | 733 c287GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry if the Minister could not understand the point, but I quoted from one of the leading prov...
Lord Henley | 733 c287GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Hamwee suggested that I should not talk about feed-in tariffs and sol...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 733 c299GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister helpfully referred to the responses. The Local Government Association develop...
Lord Henley | 733 c299GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be quite brief on this. I start by agreeing with the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, that C...
Lord Henley | 733 c299-300GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot at this stage remember precisely what the LGA’s response was. However, I can assure the nob...
Lord Selsdon | 733 c298GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have asked more questions on CCTV cameras in your Lordships’ House than anybody, I think...
Lord Henley | 733 c300GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has me there at the moment because I cannot assist him. We will be discussing further...
Lord Rosser | 733 c300GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that his concern is about delay, and I will come back to that in a momen...
Lord Rosser | 733 c300-1GC (Link to this contribution) If the Minister would care to tell me how much he thinks it is going to cost, perhaps we could discu...
Lord Henley | 733 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution) I think that my noble friend has got it right. If she has not, I will certainly write to her. The po...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c304GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be helpful if I address this issue now so that we do not need to come back to it la...
Lord Henley | 733 c303-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Hamwee moved Amendments 100 and spoke to Amendment 101, and the noble...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 733 c301-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 102, 106 and 112A. I thank the noble Lord for ensuring that ...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c301GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 101, and there are other amendments in this group. My amen...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c301GC (Link to this contribution) 100: Clause 29, page 22, line 19, after ““to”” insert ““and operational practices of””
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 733 c306-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for explaining and introducing his amendments. I recognis...
Lord Lucas | 733 c306GC (Link to this contribution) 103: Clause 33, page 24, line 36, leave out ““any such”” and insert ““criminal or civil””
Lord Lucas | 733 c306GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in this group are intended to ask a short trio of questions about how line ...
Lord Henley | 733 c292GC (Link to this contribution) Careless words they may be, as the noble Lord is saying, but I will go on using them. The simple fac...
Lord Henley | 733 c292GC (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way, because I am answering the noble Lord. I can confirm that a child of any ag...
Earl of Erroll | 733 c292GC (Link to this contribution) I was only going to try to help the Minister by saying that all that would happen is that you would ...
Lord Henley | 733 c292-3GC (Link to this contribution) No, we are not looking for them to ““soon come round””, as the noble Earl puts it. We are suggesting...
Baroness Walmsley | 733 c293GC (Link to this contribution) If the system is considerably enhanced, does the Minister accept that further information should be ...
Lord Henley | 733 c293GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think this is what lawyers refer to as a question of fact and degree. If the system were...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c293GC (Link to this contribution) Am I right in understanding—and I apologise if this sounds as if I am trying to put words into the M...
Lord Henley | 733 c293GC (Link to this contribution) Parents and children, to the extent appropriate for the child’s age, must be informed in the appropr...
Lord Lucas | 733 c294GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, and in the ordinary way where something is not, as it were, being mandated by law in ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 733 c294GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened carefully to this debate. My experience is that electronic means are neede...
Lord Rosser | 733 c296GC (Link to this contribution) 99: Clause 29, page 22, line 7, leave out subsection (1) and insert— ““(1) The Secretary of State mu...
Lord Rosser | 733 c296-8GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 99 would place a duty on the Secretary of State to commission a full independent inquiry i...
Lord Henley | 733 c295GC (Link to this contribution) If it was a matter of getting in and out of the school, there would have to be some other provision—...
Lord Lucas | 733 c295-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for offering a meeting. There are clearly also other subj...
Earl of Erroll | 733 c298GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, I suddenly realised about the extension in...
Viscount Simon | 733 c327GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 122 is in the second group.
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 733 c329-30GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, on his success in having his amendment t...
Lord Henley | 733 c327-9GC (Link to this contribution) I take that correction. I do not know how long we will spend finishing off this amendment, but perha...
Lord Henley | 733 c330GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the agreement of the Committee, this might be a convenient moment to adjourn until Th...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c316GC (Link to this contribution) 113: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause— ““Commissioner’s report on alteration or repl...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c316-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment proposes that the commissioner should, within three years, prepare a report...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 733 c317GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would just like to add a few points to those made very effectively by my noble friend La...
Lord Henley | 733 c318GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Phillips, mentions the Sub-Treasurer of the Inner Temple and assures the Commit...
Baroness Randerson | 733 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that answer. I realise that every organisation concerned is subject to t...
Lord Geddes | 733 c313-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before calling Amendment 111, I must point out that there is an error in the Marshalled Li...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c314GC (Link to this contribution) 111: Clause 34, page 26, line 2, leave out beginning to ““as”” and insert ““Her Majesty by Letters P...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c314GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that clarification. Under Clause 34, the Secretary of State is to appoin...
Lord Henley | 733 c314-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for her amendment and for her explanation of what it is about. I am...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c315-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that response is helpful, particularly the comment about the Information Commissioner regu...
Lord Rosser | 733 c320GC (Link to this contribution) 114: Before Clause 37, insert the following new Clause— ““Independent inquiry into use of investigat...
Baroness Hamwee | 733 c320GC (Link to this contribution) I think that might assist us. We are concerned that private corporations, if that is a concept that ...
Lord Henley | 733 c319GC (Link to this contribution) Obviously, I will take advice from those who are skilled in drafting, which is a skill that I have n...
Lord Henley | 733 c318GC (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, it is very clear. In Clause 1, we are talking about any ““relevant authority”” and rel...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 733 c318GC (Link to this contribution) I promise that this will be my last intervention, but it is important to get this as right as we can...
Lord Henley | 733 c318GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that. I hope I can deal with some of his queries, and I hope I can assure...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 733 c318GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister will have observed that Clause 33(2) states: "““A failure on the part of any person to ...
Lord Selsdon | 733 c326-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 126 and the other amendments. I support my noble friend Lady Mi...
Lord Henley | 733 c327GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, just to make sure that I get things right, I should make it clear that it is my understand...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 733 c323GC (Link to this contribution) 115: Clause 37, page 27, line 8, leave out ““relevant””
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 733 c323-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the first seven amendments in this group would enable the Committee to examine a little fu...
Lord Haskel | 733 c325GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it will be for the convenience of the Committee if I explain that in an earlier edition of t...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 733 c325-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend on this group of amendments. I was the unfortunate person who wa...
Lord Rosser | 733 c320-1GC (Link to this contribution) This amendment relates to investigatory powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 733 c321-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is very interesting that the Opposition have chosen to table a fairly narrow amendment ...
Lord Henley | 733 c322-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention from my noble friend Lady Miller. The measures in Cla...
Lord Rosser | 733 c323GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in drawing up the amendment, which the Minister said was quite wide-ranging in relation to...

Subjects

Children
Disclosure of information
Admissibility of evidence
Data protection
Codes of practice
CCTV
Biometrics
Crime
Alcoholic drinks
Anti-social behaviour
Electronic surveillance
Educational institutions
Local government
Personal records
Powers
Public appointments
Pupils
Standards
Sales
Schools
Young people
Security
Tobacco
Information Commissioner's Office
Surveillance Commissioner

Legislation

Protection of Freedoms Bill 2010-12

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