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Protection of Freedoms Bill

Proceeding contribution from Lord Rosser (Labour) in the House of Lords on Tuesday, 13 December 2011. It occurred during Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Protection of Freedoms Bill.
This amendment relates to investigatory powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. On reading the Government's impact assessment, one could perhaps be forgiven for being a little puzzled about the need that Clauses 37 and 38 seek to address, because the assessment says: "““The coalition is committed to stop local authority use of RIPA … unless it is for serious crime and approved by a magistrate””." It goes on: "““This stems from perceptions that local authorities have misused RIPA powers particularly in relation to low level issues””." Thus we appear to see in this Bill that the Government are happy to spend money on the basis of perception, as their impact assessment states, rather than any proven need—despite their stating that money is in short supply. The cost of judicial approval for local authorities to use powers to gather communications data and undertake direct surveillance is apparently £250,000 a year, according to the Interception of Communications Commissioner. Yet we have a situation where the Government claim that they are acting to address public perception. In his evidence to the Public Bill Committee as head of the independent Review of Counter-Terrorism and Security Powers, the noble Lord, Lord Macdonald of River Glaven, while supporting the requirement for judicial review, stated: "““The overwhelming preponderance of evidence gathered by the review showed that local authorities were using their powers quite proportionately and in quite important areas of business””.—[Official Report, Commons, Protection of Freedoms Bill Committee, 22/3/11; col. 27.]" The Interception of Communications Commissioner stated in his evidence that judicial review is, "““wholly unnecessary and will cost money””." He continued that he had, "““audited a very large percentage of the applications over the last six years and there is simply no evidence of abuse, so there is no problem on which to spend £250,000 a year””.—[Official Report, Commons, Protection of Freedoms Bill Committee, 22/3/11; col. 37.]" In the main, these powers are used for investigating matters such as the sale of alcohol and tobacco to minors, antisocial behaviour, trading standards breaches, serious fire safety breaches and such issues. The amendment proposes that the independent inquiry that it provides for should look at exempting the RIPA powers in relation to underage sale of alcohol and tobacco and antisocial behaviour from this Act, because they are areas where those powers are most frequently used and where the adverse impact and additional costs under the Bill will be most keenly felt. We are not opposed to the principle of judicial review, since this provides a check on executive power. However, we are opposed to spending money unless it addresses a clearly identified problem, backed up by hard evidence, when in other areas difficult choices are having to be made about cuts to vital services. Against that background, Amendment 114 places a duty on the Secretary of State to commission an independent inquiry into the use of investigatory powers under RIPA. Amendment 114 does not require an inquiry before the commencement of Clauses 37 and 38. It would not delay implementing this part of the Bill, if the Government are determined to introduce it as soon as possible. It would, though, provide proper hard evidence of the areas, if any, that are in need of regulation—hard evidence which, at the moment, appears to be somewhat lacking. I beg to move.

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Reference

733 c320-1GC 

Session

2010-12

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
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