Education Bill. Lords committee stage eleventh day. clauses 72 to 79 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 98). Grand Committee held in Committee Room 4A.
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 730 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as many people round the Table will know, I opposed the imposition of student fees and stu...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c293GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the reassurances that we have received from the noble Baroness, Lady Verma. I tr...
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Baroness Verma | 730 c293GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl, Lord Listowel, raises a really important point and I hope that he will allow me to w...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, could she answer the question that I asked quite directly about wheth...
Baroness Verma | 730 c301GC (Link to this contribution)
I should like the noble Lord to allow me to make a little progress, but it is £21,000 and not £15,00...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
There is one point that the noble Baroness has not dealt with in relation to my noble friend Lord St...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c290GC (Link to this contribution)
145D: After Clause 71, insert the following new Clause—
““Assessment on effect of tuition fees on ov...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c290GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is one of those amendments that speaks for itself so I do not intend to detain noble ...
Lord Peston | 730 c290-1GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. I do so with a certain degree of sadness. It is jus...
Baroness Verma | 730 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand noble Lords’ desire to ensure parity between the rate of interest charged to ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c297-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wanted in part to make a contribution so that anyone reading the proceedings of this Com...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister stands up, perhaps I could try to be helpful. This is a key question. My underst...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
The purpose of us coming along here today is to discuss this and get explanations from the Minister,...
Baroness Verma | 730 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the costs for older people are different. It has always been the case that most measures h...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
I am getting very confused. Why is it that RPI is appropriate for repayment of student loans but CPI...
Baroness Verma | 730 c301GC (Link to this contribution)
Yes. And the noble Lord knows that I would be the last person here to make sure that people of low i...
Lord Peston | 730 c301GC (Link to this contribution)
What the noble Baroness has said is not quite right. Is it not the case that those very much higher ...
Baroness Verma | 730 c300-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I remind the noble Lord, as he was in Government, that they also used RPI as a measure. It is a comm...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c291GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. It is an amendment that the Government should welcome, because th...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 730 c291-2GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have some sympathy with this amendment. However, one issue in particular concerns me: th...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c293GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what specific support is given to lone parents? They may, perhaps, be in the situation tha...
Baroness Verma | 730 c292GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to respond to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Young, and also, I hope, ...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c293-6GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clause 72 amends the powers given to the Secretary of State in the Teaching and Higher Edu...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c293GC (Link to this contribution)
145F: Clause 72, page 56, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) not in excess of the average cost of borrowin...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c297GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, has made a powerful and cogent case, and I look forward wi...
Lord Peston | 730 c296-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very puzzled by what the Government want to do. I thought they wanted people to ““sta...
Baroness Verma | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that my answer will not satisfy the noble Lord, because I am not satisfied with it either....
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c303-4GC (Link to this contribution)
That has been interesting. A relatively small point at the end of a Bill that is about something els...
Baroness Verma | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if the noble Lord did not hear my response. I thought I had answered his question, but I ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
That is not the question. The question was: as part of the Government’s desire to be able to sell of...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 730 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
I would also very much like to support Amendment 148. As has already been said, not only does it add...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c311-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I wish to support Amendment 148. I am afraid that I cannot support Amendment 145G, for reasons that ...
Baroness Brinton | 730 c309-11GC (Link to this contribution)
I speak to Amendment 148, which is very different in approach to Amendment 145G, but I believe there...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c304-9GC (Link to this contribution)
We beg to differ on that. Actually, I agree on the essence—that a lot of what has been raised today ...
Baroness Verma | 730 c304GC (Link to this contribution)
No, what I said was that there are issues coming up in the Higher Education White Paper that is unde...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c301GC (Link to this contribution)
It would help us to understand it better if the Minister could reply to the question put by my noble...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
On that technical point, and I am sorry to interrupt, no—£21,500 currently cannot possibly deflate o...
Baroness Verma | 730 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord will allow me to continue, I am hoping that I will be able to respond to the quest...
Baroness Verma | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
No, the Deputy Prime Minister has not got it wrong; maybe the noble Lord has got it wrong. It is 40 ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
How can the Deputy Prime Minister get it so wrong? Has he got a different brief from the Minister?
Baroness Verma | 730 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
But the repayments are written off after 30 years.
My noble friend Lady Sharp asked about the sale ...
Lord Peston | 730 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
But they will still owe the money.
Baroness Verma | 730 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not 60 per cent. The estimate is about 40 per cent.
Baroness Verma | 730 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
He has indicated not.
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c315-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Brinton and Lady Sharp, for their amendment, which has won the da...
Baroness Verma | 730 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, and I would encourage any other noble Lord who would wish to be at that meeting to indic...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, me too. I would like to come to that. It would be fascinating. I am sure the noble Lord, L...
Baroness Brinton | 730 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness concludes, I thank her very much for the response and for taking the matte...
Baroness Verma | 730 c314-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I can reassure the noble Lord that it has not been set in stone. I have listened very carefully to t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c314GC (Link to this contribution)
On that particular point, the Minister has been very helpful. But I am not absolutely clear about wh...
Baroness Verma | 730 c312-4GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to respond to the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, and of my nob...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I ask for an assurance from the Minister on a small detail? Many social work students ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 730 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly, I entirely endorse what my noble friend Lady Brinton has said about Amendment 148. It ...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c320GC (Link to this contribution)
Which is the point I was about to make. The sheer serendipity of being able to do this does not make...
Baroness Verma | 730 c320-2GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the recently published Higher Education White Paper places students at the very heart of t...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c322GC (Link to this contribution)
May I just ask what the point of the regulation is? Is it to save money, because the students in que...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not rising to the bait of the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, other than to add a fact that...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 730 c318-9GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was hoping that the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, was going to refer to what has been the most...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c320GC (Link to this contribution)
On a point of information, it is not because veterinary studies required an earlier qualification, i...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 730 c320GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these are two slightly different amendments, raising different points, which are slightly ...
Lord Lucas | 730 c316GC (Link to this contribution)
146: After Clause 73, insert the following new Clause—
““Disclaimer of eligibility for student suppo...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 730 c317-8GC (Link to this contribution)
My name is also on Amendment 146 and I very much support what my noble friend has said. I shall add ...
Lord Lucas | 730 c316-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move Amendment 146 and speak to Amendment 147A. My objective is to nudge the Government gen...
Viscount Ullswater | 730 c323GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Grand Committee will now adjourn until 17.42, when the Committee will begin considerat...
Lord Lucas | 730 c322-3GC (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that answer. To be disappointed by my noble friend, and encour...
Baroness Verma | 730 c322GC (Link to this contribution)
I think the bottom line is, of course, that it is all down to affordability. We need to be clear on ...
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