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European Union Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 13 July 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Williamson of Horton. The answering member was Lord Howell of Guildford.
European Union Bill. Lords consideration of Commons amendments and Reasons. Lords amendments to which the Commons have disagreed not insisted on. Commons amendments to Lords amendments agreed to. Lords amendments in lieu disagreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

729 c744-94 

Session

2010-12

Department

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Legislative stage

Lords amendments and Commons amendments

Procedure

Commons reasons
New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

European Union Bill. As amended on report.
Wednesday, 15 June 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c745-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now come to the consideration of the other place's response to your Lordships' amendmen...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c744 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 3 and 5 to which the Commons have disagreed for thei...

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Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that the House is ready to hear the closing speakers. I sense where the House is...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 729 c786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had sat down and was perfectly happy to hear the view of the noble Lord, Lord Judd. The ...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 729 c785 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the purpose of this Bill were gesture politics, with no outside effects, then perhaps i...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 729 c786 (Link to this contribution) We live in a representative democracy and elected Members of Parliament are put into that position o...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c789 (Link to this contribution) If anyone wishes to challenge me and move that I no longer be heard, let them do so, but I wish to a...
Lord Triesman | 729 c787-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are taking part in this debate this evening because the House of Commons did not accept...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c787 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that I heard the voice of the House, and I believe that the House is very clear ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c787 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is perfectly out of order. If necessary I will get the House to vote on whether I can...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c789 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would not want to upset the noble Lord. I was taking the view of the House. In this busi...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c789 (Link to this contribution) I might say to the noble Lord that he is not entitled to make that judgment.
Lord Goodhart | 729 c791 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me start by making a small and not very serious comment. From time to time my noble fr...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 729 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, for the careful and conciliatory way in...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 729 c764-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate and I will be extremely brief. I rose to speak ...
Baroness Quin | 729 c765 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord said that he could foresee referendums dealing with issues in packages. In those circ...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 729 c765-6 (Link to this contribution) That question was raised by the noble Lord, Lord Taverne, earlier in the debate. The answer is: just...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c766-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I will be forgiven if I say that I have a faint feeling of having been here be...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c764 (Link to this contribution) The House of Commons is entitled to amend amendments that we have made in this House, but did not do...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 729 c772-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a number of interesting debates on Clause 18 at every stage in your Lordships'...
Lord Goodhart | 729 c768 (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend accept that it is impossible for a court to make decisions on what is done in ...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c768 (Link to this contribution) Ministerial decisions are open to judicial review. That is not a matter that we discussed much in Co...
Lord Liddle | 729 c768-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a full debate, and I do not want to take up the time of the House. I just want...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 729 c772 (Link to this contribution) That this House do agree to Commons Amendments 14A and 14B to Lords Amendment 14. That this House d...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 729 c774 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the one who took the main argument on Clause 18 on Report with an amendment which was c...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 729 c774 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in respect of the amendment that the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, suc...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c775 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 15 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c775-7 (Link to this contribution) This is the issue of the sunset clause. I believe there is another amendment to be moved which is re...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 729 c774-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I express gratitude to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, for his work ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 729 c775 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern, my noble friend Lord Lester ...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 729 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is again a wrecking amendment, which is how the noble Lord, Lord Blackwell, described...
Lord Radice | 729 c779 (Link to this contribution) The House of Lords is a very effective revising Chamber and has proved that on this Bill by making i...
Lord Goodhart | 729 c777 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion D, at end insert "but do propose Amendment 15B in lieu" 15B: After Claus...
Lord Goodhart | 729 c777-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 15, which the other place rejected, provided a kind of sunset clause for the who...
Lord Empey | 729 c781 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I said on Third Reading that the proposal for a sunset clause was ill conceived. I believe...
Lord Goodhart | 729 c782 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I point out to the noble Lord that Amendment 15B was not put to the Members of the House o...
Lord Empey | 729 c782 (Link to this contribution) I was referring to the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, and commenting that of course very fe...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 729 c782-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the Motion of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Goodhart. I preface my remarks by...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 729 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak against Motion D1. The reasons for doing so are quite straightforward. The n...
Lord Liddle | 729 c784 (Link to this contribution) My concern throughout the Bill has been for the position of Britain in Europe and that it should rem...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 729 c784 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord’s party returns to government, we look forward to it engaging with the country i...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 729 c784 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fear that some of the speakers in this debate are guilty of a terminological inexactitud...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c748 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should have hesitated longer before speaking because we are opening up the whole issue aga...
Lord Liddle | 729 c750 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to Motion B, at end insert ““but do propose Amendment 13B in lieu”” 13B: Clause 6,...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 729 c748-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now turn to the list of decisions in the existing treaties which were previously subjec...
Lord Dykes | 729 c751 (Link to this contribution) Is not the noble Lord also perturbed that at the last annual Ditchley lecture the former Prime Minis...
Lord Liddle | 729 c750-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Motion B1 in the name of my noble friend Lord Triesman. The original amendme...
Lord Liddle | 729 c751 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I heard that John Major had said that. It is a great concern, which will grow as a result of th...
Lord Liddle | 729 c752 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, I am not going to give way any more.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 729 c752 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord was telling the House how frightful it would be if the United Kingdom were to leave t...
Lord Liddle | 729 c752-3 (Link to this contribution) That is because the argument for British membership of the Union has not been made forcefully. That ...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 729 c753-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the person who tabled most of the amendments that are the subject of this debate, I sho...
Lord Blackwell | 729 c753 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, called his amendment sensible. We should be clear that it is ...
Lord Grenfell | 729 c756 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I warmly support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Triesman and which has ...
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne | 729 c756 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness. Of course she is absolutely correct. She was a member, so how can I argu...
Baroness Quin | 729 c756 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. I was a member of the Constitution Committee and...
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne | 729 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) I was attempting to persuade the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, to give way during his very impassioned de...
Lord Brittan of Spennithorne | 729 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at this stage in our proceedings we have to do two things. First, we have to decide whethe...
Lord Pannick | 729 c760 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I too support this amendment, because I see it as a considered response to the views of th...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 729 c757-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very revealing debate. The Government have behaved rather dismissively towards t...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 729 c747-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to enter again into the whole great debate on referendums, which really moves u...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 729 c748 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, but it is a pity that he has to caricature what the ...
Lord Triesman | 729 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to associate this side of the House with what the noble Lord, Lord Williamson, has ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 729 c747 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I consider that the very strong and articulate arguments put forward by the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 729 c746 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have not proposed any amendment to Motion A, which has been moved by the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 729 c764 (Link to this contribution) I am going to put the matter right for the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart. It was a Bill that had been am...
Lord Taverne | 729 c761-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief. I do not think that it can be disputed that the Bill in its present ...
Lord Deben | 729 c762-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my problem with this amendment is that it seems to me to meet precisely what the Governmen...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 729 c760-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. The main consideration is that if the Government do not relent on...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 729 c764 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord spent many years in the House of Commons. Is it not the position that the Labour Part...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c764 (Link to this contribution) It was not incumbent on the Labour Party to do so, but it had the opportunity to do so and did not. ...
Lord Flight | 729 c763 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister agree that certain noble Lords are perhaps a bit out of touch with Briti...
Lord Judd | 729 c786 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord knows by now that I have unlimited respect for his consistent contribution ...
Lord Triesman | 729 c787 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, either the Whip on the other side is making a judgment that he is inviting the House to en...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 729 c780-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lamont, always argues very effectively and has done so yet again. He ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 729 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of all the people have spoken in this debate, the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, has the greates...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 729 c763 (Link to this contribution) I took part in virtually all the debates that we have had so far on this Bill, and it seems to me th...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 729 c785-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I took part in the debates on the Maastricht treaty. I remember them very well. The centra...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 729 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, sunset clauses are appropriate in some legislation: for example, when one has emergency le...

Subjects

EU law
European communities
Referendums
Sovereignty
Treaties
UK membership of EU
Sunset clauses

Legislation

European Communities Act 1972
European Union Bill 2010-12

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