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Savings Accounts and Health in Pregnancy Grant Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 26 October 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Mark Hoban.
Savings Accounts and Health in Pregnancy Grant Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed on division (318 to 224). Programme motion agreed on question.

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Reference

517 c204-84 

Session

2010-12

Department

Treasury

Legislative stage

Second reading

Procedure

Programme motions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Savings Accounts and Health in Pregnancy Grant Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 73-EN also published.
Wednesday, 15 September 2010
Bills
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Proceeding contributions

Catherine McKinnell | 517 c234 (Link to this contribution) On the hon. Gentleman's point about HMRC officials spending their time promoting savings accounts to...
Jim Shannon | 517 c234-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a sorry day on which we are debating this Bill on the Floor of the House. It is a sorry day to...

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Richard Graham | 517 c234 (Link to this contribution) The answer is that we all want to encourage hand-ups to everybody, through whatever means possible, ...
Mark Durkan | 517 c235 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will recall, from his time in the Northern Ireland Assembly, the strong campaign ...
Jim Shannon | 517 c235 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. The credit unions facilitated that role for child t...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 517 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Blackpool North and Cleveleys (Paul Maynard), who spoke on behalf of the coaliti...
Jim Shannon | 517 c236 (Link to this contribution) It has been mentioned by others that, for a great many in this House, there is an equality issue wit...
Sarah Newton | 517 c236 (Link to this contribution) There is absolutely no doubt that women's health during pregnancy is vital, but I really must take i...
Jim Shannon | 517 c236 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am sorry that the hon. Lady does not see this issue as clearly as I ...
Stella Creasy | 517 c262-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall make progress, as Mr Speaker has pointed out how many Members want to contribute. I want to...
Stella Creasy | 517 c262 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that question. He precisely answers the point that many on the Government...
Stella Creasy | 517 c263-4 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the hon. Lady may be confused, but let me be clear that I am talking about the former ...
Speaker | 517 c264 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have just over 40 minutes, and I still have seven names on my list.
Stella Creasy | 517 c261 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I have given way once. We do not need to wait until 2028 to see the impact that such ...
Bill Esterson | 517 c261-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good case for the evidence for saving, particularly in low-income families. I...
Stella Creasy | 517 c260-1 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Lady asks about an Opposition Member looking for evidence. If she listens to...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c255 (Link to this contribution) I have never had a problem with taxing the rich a little bit more. If that means a penny on income t...
Speaker | 517 c255 (Link to this contribution) Order. I gently say to the hon. Lady, first, that I am not going anywhere—the debate goes through th...
Sarah Newton | 517 c260 (Link to this contribution) I wonder what analysis the hon. Lady has done to demonstrate that the programmes help in the way she...
Stella Creasy | 517 c259-60 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak in the debate tonight because of my deep concern that these proposals will ensure a ...
Diana Johnson | 517 c256-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way. I also take issue with the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Jacob R...
Diana Johnson | 517 c256 (Link to this contribution) Let me start by addressing a point that the hon. Member for Mid Norfolk (George Freeman) made. He im...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c255-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. We need to raise taxes and target the results at the poorest people. I hoped that t...
Simon Danczuk | 517 c252 (Link to this contribution) I will be quite clear about the position I take in that regard. Let me clarify my point: I was stati...
Harriett Baldwin | 517 c252 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to follow the intellectual train of the hon. Gentleman's very powerfully expressed argum...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c254 (Link to this contribution) Personally, I would raise taxes in order to ensure that we could maintain this provision, and the ba...
Sarah Newton | 517 c254-5 (Link to this contribution) You are making a very powerful speech for us this evening, and I completely agree with you about the...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c254 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. Both the child trust fund and the saving gateway were Labour initiatives, put in pl...
Harriett Baldwin | 517 c253 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree with the helpful suggestion made by my hon. Friend the Member for Nort...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) Despite what we have heard from those on the Government Benches tonight, it is still very clear that...
Gavin Williamson | 517 c254 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman strikes me as a very enlightened individual, and I am sure that he is very aware ...
Alex Cunningham | 517 c253-4 (Link to this contribution) I think that the point that the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mogg) made was that ...
Simon Danczuk | 517 c251-2 (Link to this contribution) I wish to turn my attention to the child trust fund, in particular, and to start by quoting the Chan...
Chris Williamson | 517 c249 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman referred to job creation. Will he therefore comment on the fact that almost 500,0...
Chris Williamson | 517 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon, Mr Deputy Speaker, and that of the House for continuing to intervene on the hon. ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c249 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows the figures are contentious because he cited the figure of how many jobs wi...
Chris Williamson | 517 c249 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman therefore contesting the figures of the Office for Budget Responsibility?
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c249 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to try to square circles, which I believe is not possible, but those figures are fund...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c250-1 (Link to this contribution) I would have finished by now, but I have taken a number of interventions, which it is a privilege to...
Speaker | 517 c250 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is going rather wide of the mark and now may be an appropriate time to remind colleagues...
Gregg McClymont | 517 c250 (Link to this contribution) I was listening closely to the hon. Gentleman's comments. Given what he was saying, will he support ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c250 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his kind and helpful intervention, because I happen to have ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an extraordinarily good and important point. The payment of this £190 comes too...
Sarah Newton | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) I quite understand that the hon. Member for Nottingham East (Chris Leslie) might not know about this...
Chris Leslie | 517 c247-8 (Link to this contribution) I would be surprised if many mothers—I certainly include my wife in this, when we were having our da...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c248 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right and spot on. That is a most helpful intervention. There is no poi...
Sarah Newton | 517 c248 (Link to this contribution) The whole issue of maternal health is incredibly important. The problem with this benefit is that ho...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c248-9 (Link to this contribution) The winter fuel allowance goes to the elderly, many of whom will have paid full national insurance c...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c248 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is saying that benefits should be targeted rather than universal and that they sh...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says the Bill does not say where the money is going to be spent, but that is an a...
Chris Leslie | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) The Bill does not achieve what the hon. Gentleman wants, however. While I am on my feet, may I ask h...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a brilliant and inspired point with which I completely agree, and it is therefor...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for that useful clarification. The health in pregnancy benefit is paid to lad...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c247 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that a ““lady”” of very low income who finds herself pregnant and expe...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c246 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's point is fundamentally flawed. In 1997, the socialist Government decided to sti...
Kate Green | 517 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I have misled the hon. Gentleman, but what I said was that the health in pregnancy gr...
Chris Williamson | 517 c246 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman at least acknowledge that before the economic downturn, the debt ratio in th...
Kate Green | 517 c245 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, because I am about to end my speech. I urge the Government to reconsider their...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c245-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me, Mr Deputy Speaker. I feel slightly guilty that you have had to do so three...
Speaker | 517 c245 (Link to this contribution) Order. As hon. Members will have just observed, a number of them wish to speak in the debate. The wi...
Sarah Newton | 517 c244 (Link to this contribution) I am just as passionate about the inequalities in our country as Labour Members, and I am sure that ...
Kate Green | 517 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) It is not a case of either/or. We should be doing everything possible. We should be maximising famil...
John Hemming | 517 c245 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady asks how on earth the Bill will reduce inequality. It will do so by removing universal...
Kate Green | 517 c245 (Link to this contribution) First, let me remind the hon. Gentleman of what I said earlier about the effectiveness of universal ...
Alison McGovern | 517 c244 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again. She is making a comprehensive and excellent speech. Doe...
Kate Green | 517 c244 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Government should be very wary about dismantling a scheme that has generated additi...
Cathy Jamieson | 517 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree it is vital that looked-after children have that asset built? Given that t...
Kate Green | 517 c242 (Link to this contribution) I very much welcome the growth in the UK economy in the third quarter of this year, but, with respec...
Sarah Newton | 517 c242 (Link to this contribution) I, too, appreciate the hon. Lady's expertise, but I must point her to the growth in the UK economy, ...
Kate Green | 517 c242 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. Although you will not want this evening's debate to extend into the whole range of econo...
Kate Green | 517 c243-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that Conservative Members and the Minister will hear that contribution in the spirit in which...
Alison McGovern | 517 c241 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that this is similar to other kinds of grant such as the winter fuel payme...
Kate Green | 517 c241-2 (Link to this contribution) There is work to be done to consider the balance of taxation versus spending cuts, as Labour Members...
Chris Williamson | 517 c242 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the policies pursued by the Con-Dem coalition will lead at best to th...
Kate Green | 517 c241 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right on a number of fronts. First, as my hon. Friend says, this sort of grant is...
George Freeman | 517 c241 (Link to this contribution) I am enjoying the hon. Lady's speech and I acknowledge her expertise. In recommending the extension ...
Jim Shannon | 517 c237-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her shorter intervention. I appreciate those opportunities for advancement...
Sarah Newton | 517 c237 (Link to this contribution) I would like to respond to the question from the hon. Member for South Antrim (Dr McCrea), because I...
Alison McGovern | 517 c240 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
George Freeman | 517 c238-40 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon). I am conscious of the numbe...
Kate Green | 517 c240-1 (Link to this contribution) This is an incredibly serious debate and I would like to address what I believe are important points...
George Freeman | 517 c240 (Link to this contribution) I am just wrapping up. Also important is the Institute for Fiscal Studies' analysis, showing the Bu...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 517 c237 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend tease this out a little further? I am not sure what part of the coalition's prop...
Sarah Newton | 517 c237 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Jim Shannon | 517 c237 (Link to this contribution) As long as the intervention is shorter than the last one.
Paul Maynard | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) I could well ask why you did not think of that when you introduced the scheme in the first place. It...
Speaker | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) Order. Everything has to come through the Chair. We have to work through the Chair and not be distra...
Paul Maynard | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) Improvements in diet are important, but the waiting times for those applying for the health in pregn...
Paul Maynard | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not going to give way now—[Hon. Members: ““Give way!””] No, I do not want to give way—[Inte...
Speaker | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has given way quite a lot, and if he does not wish to give way now, hon. M...
Paul Maynard | 517 c229 (Link to this contribution) It would be very easy to dismiss health in pregnancy grants, as some Opposition Members seem to thin...
Paul Maynard | 517 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) No, and the quote that I heard from the hon. Lady did not pass the quality threshold for the British...
Teresa Pearce | 517 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to speak about clause 1 of this Bill today. In 2005, the child tru...
Paul Maynard | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) Sorry, I am not going to give way any further. I have been very generous in giving way, but I am afr...
Stella Creasy | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Paul Maynard | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) Sorry, but if you are going to make interventions, madam, please stand up.
Diana Johnson | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make two points. First, before the election in May, the Tories voted against introd...
Paul Maynard | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) No, I am sorry, but I am not giving way to you, madam, so kindly take notice of that. Having a pigg...
Diana Johnson | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) What? By cutting the child trust fund?
Cathy Jamieson | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) By that very logic, would it not therefore make sense for the hon. Gentleman's party to propose an e...
Speaker | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) Order. The intervention has gone on for far too long. The hon. Gentleman is making his points, but h...
Paul Maynard | 517 c228 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for that advice, Mr Deputy Speaker. There are other ways in which we can and do help look...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman made a point about accessibility and the fact that 25% of child trust funds set u...
Richard Graham | 517 c233 (Link to this contribution) I have a specific suggestion on that, which I will come to in a moment. Meanwhile, I am sure that th...
Owen Smith | 517 c232 (Link to this contribution) Is that not an unfair comparison, because the ISAs have been in place for much longer than the child...
Richard Graham | 517 c232 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right that this is a short period of history over which to judge them, but the...
Richard Graham | 517 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) Before coming here I read a document from the Save Child Savings alliance, which hon. Members might ...
Speaker | 517 c233 (Link to this contribution) Order. If hon. Members are going to give way, they should give way quickly. If not, the hon. Member ...
Richard Graham | 517 c233 (Link to this contribution) I have given way to the hon. Lady already, but I am happy to do so again
Richard Graham | 517 c233 (Link to this contribution) The only difference is that CTFs are funded by the Government, so we come to the argument about whet...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Bristol West (Stephen Williams) is a member of the Finance Bill Committee, as am...
Kate Green | 517 c222 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that one of the things that is likely to happen if women are given a...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend quotes the chief executive of the National Childbirth Trust, but she could have also ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c221 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentlemen need not listen to me but should listen to the groups that are arguing for the re...
Martin Horwood | 517 c222 (Link to this contribution) In defence of my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol West (Stephen Williams), he is attending a Bill ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c222 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. There was a thread running through the Labour Government's ...
Tom Blenkinsop | 517 c222 (Link to this contribution) Government Members are slightly confused on this matter. The Government keep saying that these draco...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c222 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. That is a good point, but I would say in passing to my hon. Friend that, unless I missed som...
Dan Poulter | 517 c221 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that hon. Members on both sides of the House agree it is important to target resources at ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c221 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman cared to listen not just to me but to a range of groups that support pregnant ...
Dan Poulter | 517 c221 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is making points about a grant that is given later in pregnancy and talking...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister can tell us that in his winding-up speech, because clearly, looked-after childr...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) I hope I can assure my right hon. Friend that we have eight sittings in Committee, and I will table ...
Paul Goggins | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) To be constructive: there may be opportunities for local authorities, for charitable trusts, for oth...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) It will indeed take away a key tool in helping to deal with inequality and poverty at the age of 18....
Toby Perkins | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) Teenage pregnancy levels are high in some of our most deprived communities, and the child trust fund...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c219-21 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is exactly right, and from her background outside the House as well as inside it, she...
Kate Green | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) Is not the Minister proposing tax breaks for savers' children, benefiting families who pay tax—the b...
Paul Maynard | 517 c227 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for those ifs and buts. We can all hope for what might happen at some point in...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) The child trust fund has not been in existence long enough truly to reap the benefits that it would ...
Paul Maynard | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way on this one occasion.
Stella Creasy | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the research by Elaine Kempson of the university of Bristol on the in...
Paul Maynard | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) Let us rejoin the theme of progressive universalism, which the hon. Lady so kindly and patronisingly...
Paul Maynard | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will calm down and let me finish the quotation, I shall happily give way. Lear...
Kate Green | 517 c225 (Link to this contribution) I shall be happy to explain to the hon. Gentleman what progressive universalism means in the context...
Paul Maynard | 517 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the shadow Minister, the right hon. Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson), who was...
Paul Maynard | 517 c225 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for what I presume she thought would be a helpful contribution for idiots like...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c223 (Link to this contribution) There are a range of measures that the Labour Government introduced and would have introduced in rel...
Mark Hoban | 517 c223 (Link to this contribution) Last week the banking levy that the shadow Chancellor proposed was to pay for infrastructure. This w...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c223 (Link to this contribution) No. If there is a banking levy in place, we will support a higher banking levy. Would the hon. Gentl...
Mark Hoban | 517 c214 (Link to this contribution) As I was saying—[Hon. Members: ““Shame!””] Members on both sides of the House want to speak in the d...
Speaker | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) That is not a point of order. I understand your frustration but the Minister, in fairness, has been ...
Paul Goggins | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for the Minister consistently to refuse to ta...
Mark Hoban | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) I was not sure whether he was waving or drowning, Mr Deputy Speaker. As we tackle the deficit, one ...
Mark Tami | 517 c215 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is clear that Government Members are ashamed of this terribl...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister did not know the strength of feeling on the Labour Benches about this Bill before, h...
Speaker | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) Order. Mr Goggins, you are going to have to sit down. The Minister is not giving way. I know that yo...
Mark Hoban | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) I will not. The Opposition spokesman, the right hon. Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson), wants to speak in...
Paul Goggins | 517 c219 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful indeed to my right hon. Friend for giving way. [Hon. Members: ““Hear, hear.””] He...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c218 (Link to this contribution) Before I give way to my right hon. Friend, let me say that one of the most disgraceful things will b...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c218 (Link to this contribution) One of the great benefits of the child trust fund was that it encouraged people on lower incomes to ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c218 (Link to this contribution) I will just say to the hon. Gentleman: record levels of the minimum wage, record support on Sure Sta...
Owen Smith | 517 c218 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that another example of the fundamental difference between what we w...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c217 (Link to this contribution) We shall see. I welcome my hon. Friend's contribution. When we debated the child trust fund and the ...
Pete Wishart | 517 c218 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that the coalition Conservative Government are doing so...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c217 (Link to this contribution) May I just say three words to the hon. Gentleman: education maintenance allowance? I look forward to...
Sharon Hodgson | 517 c217 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the difference between the numbers of Members present on each s...
Martin Horwood | 517 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is being extremely generous. I may not necessarily be supporting the tuitio...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c216 (Link to this contribution) I shall come to that point later. The Government have chosen to take a sledgehammer to the funds and...
Sandra Osborne | 517 c216 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that if the measures were due to financial constraints, the Conserva...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c216 (Link to this contribution) I agree. The Government are not in touch with the difficulties of raising a child or of meeting the ...
Toby Perkins | 517 c216 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is touching on the choices that the Government have made. The number of attacks...
Martin Horwood | 517 c215 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that child trust funds were never designed to help children bec...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c215 (Link to this contribution) I shall not take lessons from the Liberal Democrats on tuition fees given the outcome that they have...
Jim Cunningham | 517 c215 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the hon. Member for Cheltenham (Martin Horwood)'s comments are ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is correct in the sense that there are ways in which we can tackle child poverty, suc...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c215 (Link to this contribution) I give credit to the Minister for defending the indefensible, and I look forward in particular to he...
Mark Hoban | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman allows me to finish, I may well answer his question. We are working on the de...
Mark Hoban | 517 c211 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made an interesting point. We want to encourage more young people to save and to ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) I will continue. In the Budget, we announced that an annual financial health check will also be ava...
Andrew Love | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way on that point?
Mark Hoban | 517 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) No; I will continue. I have given way quite a lot, and I want to make some progress. This is an impo...
Sandra Osborne | 517 c211 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way on that point?
Mark Hoban | 517 c211 (Link to this contribution) No; I want to make some more progress. I realise that many people, including some hon. Members, wil...
Paul Goggins | 517 c210 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is turning to support for the most disadvantaged. If there is one area that should unit...
Mark Hoban | 517 c210 (Link to this contribution) I am turning to child trust funds, and I take on board the right hon. Gentleman's point. As one of t...
Sheila Gilmore | 517 c210 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister not agree that the logic of his position is that universal benefits should not ex...
Mark Hoban | 517 c210 (Link to this contribution) The Labour party is clearly looking for more substance for its economic plan, and perhaps the hon. L...
Mark Field | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) I have a two-and-a-half-year-old son, so I have had the benefit of some of these universal benefits....
Mark Hoban | 517 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. We need to look very carefully at where money is spent and ...
Paul Maynard | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not agree that the clue as to the purpose of the health in pregnancy grant lies in...
Mark Hoban | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. I would say that the challenge is as follows. Other schemes...
Pete Wishart | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) There is no doubt whatsoever that the Labour party left the country's finances in an appalling state...
Mark Hoban | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman looks at some of the analysis that was set out at the time of the Budget and l...
Mark Hoban | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, if this grant was targeted at enabling women to buy folic acid, the argument would be diffe...
Sharon Hodgson | 517 c208 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that this grant has not always been spent on what it was intended for and instead ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c208 (Link to this contribution) Of course the hon. Lady should really address that to her colleagues who were Treasury Ministers whe...
Mark Field | 517 c208 (Link to this contribution) I accept the honourable way in which a number of Labour Members have stood up and are concerned abou...
Mark Hoban | 517 c208 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. The Government have had to go through this challenging spen...
Liz Kendall | 517 c208 (Link to this contribution) The Healthy Start scheme is a good, targeted one, but will the Minister admit that the Government ar...
Mark Hoban | 517 c209 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Lady would tell us what she would cut instead. It is very easy for the Opposition, ...
Speaker | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Order. Look, I understand that this is an important matter and it concerns everyone in the Chamber, ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Mr Waugh continues:"““It is spent on absolutely anything the mother wants. A lot of middle class mum...
Yasmin Qureshi | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister know how much folic acid costs?
Mark Hoban | 517 c206 (Link to this contribution) There was clearly a choice. We could have continued with these schemes and cut spending elsewhere, b...
Kate Green | 517 c206 (Link to this contribution) The Minister alluded to the fact that credit unions were particularly interested in supporting this ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) Spending on that scheme was included in the spending score card by the last Government. We are not s...
Jamie Reed | 517 c206 (Link to this contribution) I was grateful for the support the hon. Gentleman's party gave when in opposition to the then Labour...
Diana Johnson | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me that that money was also for meeting the additional costs of having a baby. It was ve...
Mark Hoban | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Well, other schemes are available to help women ensure that their diet is healthy. May I tell the ho...
Mark Hoban | 517 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) That assumes that there is a credit union in every deprived community, but in some such communities ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c207 (Link to this contribution) Let me make some progress. Although the previous Government said the grant was intended to support t...
Mark Hoban | 517 c205 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman cares to stick around for a few minutes, he will learn something about what we...
Andrew Love | 517 c205 (Link to this contribution) According to an excellent research brief provided by the House of Commons, the Government will save ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) As I have set out, the previous Government left us with no choice but to axe those schemes, because ...
Andrew Love | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has forgotten to mention that both the child trust fund and the saving gateway were spe...
Mark Hoban | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I need to make progress. We are prioritising fairness and social mobility, providin...
Mark Hoban | 517 c212 (Link to this contribution) I will not, because I want to continue making progress. We want to provide people with a clear and ...
Mark Hoban | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) As we tackle the deficit, one of our priorities is to transform the prospects of the poorest childre...
Mark Hoban | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady should have taken the opportunity to ask her colleagues that when they introduced tuit...
Sharon Hodgson | 517 c213 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has mentioned education. The Government are introducing larger fees, so young people wi...
Mark Hoban | 517 c205 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we did support the recapitalisation of the banks, but I am not sure where the hon. Lady's point...
Alison McGovern | 517 c205 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has talked about what happened in the past and about the actions of the last Labour Gov...
Sandra Osborne | 517 c204 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell me why this coalition Government are so determined to pick on children?
Mark Hoban | 517 c204 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. The Bill does three things: it ends eligibi...
Andrew Love | 517 c205 (Link to this contribution) Would not the Minister's position have more credibility if he proposed ways in which he could encour...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c271-2 (Link to this contribution) Over the past few days, weeks and months, there has been a lot of talk about ““fairness””, which is ...
Valerie Vaz | 517 c270-1 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh East (Sheila Gilmore). Uns...
Gregg McClymont | 517 c267 (Link to this contribution) That may well be the case; I could not possibly comment. I know that a number of people are waiting...
Sheila Gilmore | 517 c269-70 (Link to this contribution) Early in the Minister's introduction to the debate, one of the reasons he gave for not going ahead w...
Nicholas Dakin | 517 c264-6 (Link to this contribution) To take a gamble with your own money, especially if you are a millionaire, is a reasonable choice to...
Gregg McClymont | 517 c266-7 (Link to this contribution) We have heard tonight two main arguments from Government Members. The first, which may be familiar t...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c276 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way, because I want to clarify that I had not made the point that p...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c276 (Link to this contribution) My reference to the hon. Gentleman related just to the fact that he used the term ““ladies”” quite f...
Justine Greening | 517 c277-8 (Link to this contribution) As we have heard, this has been a vigorous debate and I am very grateful to all the Members who have...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c276-7 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I do not have time. What about the impact on women? Our research has shown—we have had ...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c275-6 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I do not have time to give way because we are a bit under the cosh here. My hon. Fr...
Thomas Docherty | 517 c272 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the crucial reasons the child trust fund is so important is th...
Richard Graham | 517 c272 (Link to this contribution) I promise that my intervention will be briefer than the last one. How fair does the hon. Lady think...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c272 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend ably makes a point that I was about to make myself. Families are being asked to bear ...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c273-4 (Link to this contribution) It is almost obligatory for a Minister or shadow Minister rising at the Dispatch Box to respond to a...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c272-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for all these interventions, but we had a discussion earlier about the benefits of the...
Toby Perkins | 517 c272 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a compelling case. Does she agree that, whatever we may have thought about ...
Toby Perkins | 517 c278 (Link to this contribution) The Minister just said that higher employment is something that the Labour party knows all about. I ...
Fiona Mactaggart | 517 c278 (Link to this contribution) On savings, the previous Conservative Government presided over five years of double-digit inflation ...
Justine Greening | 517 c278 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Edinburgh East (Sheila Gilmore) talked about judging Governments based on what t...
Justine Greening | 517 c278-80 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that it suits Labour Members to talk about the past, but we want to talk about sorting out...
Jim Shannon | 517 c237 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. We are clearly moving towards that, and if the Bill re...
Kate Green | 517 c233 (Link to this contribution) It is important to clarify this point. I did not say that they did not reach the poorest. I said tha...
Catherine McKinnell | 517 c221 (Link to this contribution) I noticed that the Minister referred during his submission to a quotation from the National Childbir...
Paul Maynard | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) Three quarters of those accounts opened since 2005 have failed to receive additional deposits; 99% h...
Paul Maynard | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) Forgive me, I shall not give way because I have not yet finished the quotation.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 517 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. As my hon. Friend knows, even now some of the Budget measures that make the Budget seem fair...
Russell Brown | 517 c223 (Link to this contribution) I hope my right hon. Friend will take the opportunity from the Opposition Front Bench to remind the ...
Christopher Chope | 517 c211 (Link to this contribution) I am with my hon. Friend 100% on the principle that he has just enunciated. Will he clarify the issu...
Mark Hoban | 517 c204 (Link to this contribution) In September 2009 Carl Emmerson, acting director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said:"““Abolis...
Yasmin Qureshi | 517 c267-9 (Link to this contribution) I know that time is short, so I intend to be quite brief, although I apologise in advance for not al...
Speaker | 517 c256 (Link to this contribution) There is no formal time limit on Back-Bench speeches in this debate, but it might help the House if ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 517 c248 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend the Member for Truro and Falmouth (Sarah Newton) wonderfully and accurately pointe...
Mark Hoban | 517 c223 (Link to this contribution) The banking levy was not an idea of the previous Government. The previous Chancellor of the Excheque...
Kate Green | 517 c226 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman. It is true that the CPAG, of which I was chief executive a...
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c276 (Link to this contribution) By way of light relief today—[Hon. Members: ““Give way.””] I would love to.
Kerry McCarthy | 517 c274-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we have to wonder whether the absence of so many Members from the Government Benches was due to...

Subjects

Children
Children in care
Child trust fund
Grants
Personal savings
Low incomes
Poverty
Pregnancy
Saving gateway

Legislation

Savings Accounts and Health in Pregnancy Grant Bill 2010-12

Link

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