Draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in Force of Sections 1 to 9) Order 2010. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on division (206 to 85).
Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism
Debates on delegated legislation on Monday, 1 March 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Hanson of Flint.
The answering
member was Crispin Blunt.
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506 c721-49 Session
2009-10Chamber / Committee
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Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in Force of Sections 1 to 9) Order 2010
Monday, 1 February 2010
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Monday, 1 February 2010
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Counter-terrorism policy and human rights (sixteenth report): Annual renewal of control orders legislation 2010. Human Rights Joint Select Committee ninth report with formal minutes, evidence (not printed separately) and appendices.
Tuesday, 23 February 2010
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House of Commons
Tuesday, 23 February 2010
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House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Keith Vaz | 506 c744 (Link to this contribution)
There were some absconds before June 2007, however, and the point is that if one's policy involves a...
Diane Abbott | 506 c745 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to have the opportunity to speak in this important debate and put on the record my opposit...
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Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c744 (Link to this contribution)
There have been no absconds since June 2007, and I assure my right hon. Friend that we take extremel...
John McDonnell | 506 c746-7 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the Minister has waived his opportunity to respond. I want briefly to put a few point...
David Winnick | 506 c745 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my right hon. Friend the Minister wants five minutes to reply, but in order to concentra...
Diane Abbott | 506 c745-6 (Link to this contribution)
Control orders, secret evidence, the whole debate about extraordinary rendition—all these add up to ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c747 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the comments of my right hon. and hon. Friends, and those of the hon. Member for R...
David Winnick | 506 c726 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for being so generous in giving way; indeed, it would be horri...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c726-7 (Link to this contribution)
One of the reasons why we have an annual debate on these orders is so that we can assess annually wh...
Lembit Opik | 506 c725 (Link to this contribution)
I promise not to intervene on the Minister again, but I remind him that two of my constituents were ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c725-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am unclear whether the hon. Gentleman's constituents were subject to potential control orders, but...
David Heath | 506 c725 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way; he is helping the debate by allowing these interv...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c725 (Link to this contribution)
Let me remind the hon. Gentleman that it is not only the Executive: all these orders have to be judi...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c725 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to both colleagues, but then I would like to make some progress, because I want the...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c727 (Link to this contribution)
Relocation is an important issue. I accept and understand that that causes difficulties. The key iss...
John McDonnell | 506 c727 (Link to this contribution)
May I just ask a simple question? Why has relocation been increasingly used as part of the control o...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c728-9 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to begin by sharing the Minister's analysis that there can be no complacency about the nature...
Jeremy Corbyn | 506 c729 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise what the hon. Gentleman is saying about the atmosphere in which we vote and the informat...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c729-30 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I recognise that, and we warned of that from this Dispatch Box when the Prevention of Terrorism...
Harry Cohen | 506 c727 (Link to this contribution)
I was not clear about the point that the Minister was making before my hon. Friend's intervention. I...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c728 (Link to this contribution)
There is an honest disagreement between us, but I believe that this regime meets the human rights ob...
David Davis | 506 c730 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend has talked about the problems of high principle with this issue and he is now d...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c730 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for generously promoting me to the Privy Council, which is, of...
Chris Huhne | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
The success rate of prosecution for terrorist offences is greater than 80 per cent., yet the DPP can...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
I can only repeat that when there is sufficient evidence, we will prosecute. As I have said, there h...
Jeremy Corbyn | 506 c722 (Link to this contribution)
I am not guilty of chuntering in the background; I have been listening intently to what the Minister...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
That might be a solution, if there were sufficient evidence. If there were sufficient evidence, we w...
Chris Huhne | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
Surely it is exactly that successful record on prosecutions for terrorist offences that calls into q...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c722 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my hon. Friend feels that he may not be able to support these measures with conviction. ...
Diane Abbott | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
Is that not a fundamental contradiction? My right hon. Friend asserts that these people pose a threa...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c725 (Link to this contribution)
We are constantly monitoring the impact on community confidence of a range of Government actions. Th...
Lynne Jones | 506 c724 (Link to this contribution)
If it really is not possible to prosecute such people—although the use of intercept evidence ought t...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c724 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has raised three issues. We are, in fact, considering intercept evidence. My hon. Fri...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c724 (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend knows, following the case of AF v. the Secretary of State for the Home Depar...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c724 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend knows that a large proportion of the costs of control orders to date have been spent ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c724 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to spend the next hour and a half discussing these matters, but I am conscious that the d...
Jeremy Corbyn | 506 c724-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way again. He has been generous, but I think that this is an importa...
Keith Vaz | 506 c744 (Link to this contribution)
I shall conclude, because my hon. Friend the Member for Hackney, North and Stoke Newington is anxiou...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c744 (Link to this contribution)
It is a double improbability—60 per cent. times the probability of the Conservatives winning the gen...
Keith Vaz | 506 c743-4 (Link to this contribution)
This is a very serious debate dealing with an important aspect of policy. I would have hoped that mo...
Chris Huhne | 506 c740-3 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker; I will attempt to be brief.
I am always pleased to follow the hon....
Speaker | 506 c740 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I remind all right hon. and hon. Members that this debate is due to finish at 8.45, and t...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c734 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps we might get that news now.
Crispin Blunt | 506 c731-3 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman can restrain himself, I shall now explain the circumstances in which we propos...
Chris Huhne | 506 c730-1 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making the point that he needs time to assess these matters, but may I point o...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c734 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister well knows, there are far wider arguments than those regarding control orders about ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c734 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will know that there is an ongoing review following the Privy Council's examinati...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c735-8 (Link to this contribution)
This is our fifth debate on control order renewal. There is a risk of temporary measures becoming pe...
Lynne Jones | 506 c738 (Link to this contribution)
Last November, a letter from my right hon. Friend the Minister for Policing, Crime and Counter-Terro...
David Davis | 506 c734 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask my hon. Friend to look again at the public dimension of the intercept review? What was sai...
Crispin Blunt | 506 c734-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for drawing my attention to that point. It is appropriate to r...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c738 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I am. We know that in relation to the majority of control orders, the procedure is not correct ...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c738 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend let me finish the point? It is a matter of great disagreement between us.
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Andrew Dismore | 506 c739 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right.
John McDonnell | 506 c738 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that the Lord President of the UK Supreme Court could have put it more succinctly:""A...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c739 (Link to this contribution)
For the avoidance of doubt, I stand by the comments in my letter to my hon. Friend the Member for Bi...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c739 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes his point. I simply say that in every case that has been appealed so far,...
David Davis | 506 c739 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a good legal case; he is supported by the judges and the Government are not...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c739-40 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. That is the point I made earlier when I was talking about the impact on families. The way t...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c721 (Link to this contribution)
The purpose of the order is to renew the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005. Sections 1 to 9 of this A...
Speaker | 506 c721 (Link to this contribution)
Will hon. Members please leave quickly and quietly, without having conversations that would be more ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c721 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in Force of Sections 1 t...
Lembit Opik | 506 c722 (Link to this contribution)
I worked on the Northern Ireland brief for a decade, and every year I heard a justification for temp...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c721-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his contribution. I know that he takes a personal interest i...
Tobias Ellwood | 506 c721 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will be aware that concerns remain about the financial support provided to victims of t...
Andrew Dismore | 506 c728 (Link to this contribution)
indicated dissent.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c722 (Link to this contribution)
I will happily give way to my hon. Friends, if they wish to contribute rather than chuntering in the...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c722 (Link to this contribution)
We tabled the motion because there remains a serious terrorist threat to this country, and we believ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c727-8 (Link to this contribution)
We have to ensure that we examine how we comply with those judgments. We supply information relating...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 506 c723 (Link to this contribution)
We shall be debating a range of judgments this evening. The House must decide whether it supports th...
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