Planning Bill. Lords Committee stage. Clauses 1 to 4 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 5 under consideration.
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Baroness Thornton | 704 c110 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Lord Berkeley | 704 c106 (Link to this contribution)
I do not understand some of that; maybe it is the time of night. I thought that the whole point of t...
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Baroness Andrews | 704 c105-6 (Link to this contribution)
I take the noble Baroness’s point. In fact I think that everything I have said applies to ““potentia...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c109-10 (Link to this contribution)
I am looking at the clock and wondering how soon midnight might arrive. This has been a very interes...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c106-9 (Link to this contribution)
Maybe my noble friend misunderstood me. He is absolutely right that national policy statements will ...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c104 (Link to this contribution)
I imagine the Minister will want to move on moderately rapidly through the amendments but, on that p...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c103-4 (Link to this contribution)
That was a very interesting series of debates, because this group of amendments covers a number of d...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c105 (Link to this contribution)
It seems to me that the noble Baroness is addressing an amendment that I have not tabled. It is as t...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c104-5 (Link to this contribution)
Part of the problem with the amendment, however, is that it would also have an adverse impact on the...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 704 c102-3 (Link to this contribution)
I refer to Amendment No. 32, proposed by my noble friend Lord Berkeley. As he knows, I share his ent...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c102 (Link to this contribution)
It is obvious that this is a matter to which the Government are giving great thought, as are a numbe...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c101-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my noble friend. At this hour of the night, my brain ceases to function proper...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c100-1 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to add to what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Boyd, has said, particularly with refe...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 704 c99-100 (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with the sentiments behind Amendments Nos. 32 and 38. It is important that we s...
Lord Berkeley | 704 c102 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the noble Lord of what the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said when she spoke to Amendment No...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c96-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27:
27: Clause 5, page 2, line 36, leave out ““may”” and insert ““must””
The ...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c98-9 (Link to this contribution)
I agree absolutely with the noble Lord, and I may have given him the wrong impression with my words....
Lord Berkeley | 704 c98 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness moves on to her next issue, does she agree that the discussion we shall ha...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c98 (Link to this contribution)
I have a number of amendments in this group, but first I should like to say how strongly I agree wit...
Lord Berkeley | 704 c97-8 (Link to this contribution)
I have two amendments in this group, but it might be easier if I consider the amendments in numerica...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c95 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has dealt perfectly adequately with the appointments procedure and consideration ...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c94-5 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has pleaded pressure of time for his manuscript amendment and I shall plead pressure ...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c95-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 19:
19: Schedule 1, page 147, line 13, leave out ““must be”” and insert ““is””...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c95 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to my noble friend on the Front Bench who, with his customary perspicacity, ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c96 (Link to this contribution)
The problem with raising this at this stage is that, having dealt with the first group of amendments...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c96 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:
20: Schedule 1, page 147, line 17, leave out sub-paragraph (2)
On Questio...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, perhaps I may intervene as we are in Committee. The n...
Lord Cobbold | 704 c93 (Link to this contribution)
To me, the strange thing is that it is not just one council. The noble Baroness has just said that t...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c94 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 13A:
13A: Schedule 1, page 143, line 4, leave out sub-paragraph (2)
The noble...
Lord Cobbold | 704 c93 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for taking the suggestion seriously and I hope that it will be given further con...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c88 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for that undertaking. Perhaps she can come back to me befor...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c88-9 (Link to this contribution)
I will do my best to ensure that that happens.
The amendment of the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, is ...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord responds, I wish to say that he made a very good point about terminology. It i...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c91 (Link to this contribution)
Insignificant and nationally significant infrastructure projects; the noble Earl has taken us into t...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c91-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is incredibly reassuring to know that noble Lords do not need a Minister to answer questions. On ...
Earl Cathcart | 704 c90-1 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments concern the council that is to be created within the commission. I listened with gr...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c89 (Link to this contribution)
The fact that Amendments Nos. 11 and 15 do not constitute new provisions does not mean to say that I...
Lord Cobbold | 704 c89 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:
12: Schedule 1, page 142, line 25, leave out paragraph 6
The noble Lord s...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 704 c67 (Link to this contribution)
I add my support for this group of amendments. Design is very important in relation to a road, a har...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 704 c70 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a short but exceptionally useful and important debate. I am enormously grateful to nob...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c84-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 11:
11: Schedule 1, page 142, line 18, leave out sub-paragraphs (4) and (5)
T...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c85-6 (Link to this contribution)
I have one of the amendments grouped with this, Amendment No. 21. Noble Lords will be aware that the...
Earl Cathcart | 704 c86 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the Committee of the declarations of interest that I made at Second Reading—namely, that fo...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 704 c67-8 (Link to this contribution)
I could not be more pro-design if I tried and I hope that I am as pro-design as the noble Lords and ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c68 (Link to this contribution)
We are all in favour of good design but I have an awful feeling that one commissioner with design ex...
Lord Lucas | 704 c68-9 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my noble friend that the cost of buildings is important because, as we were reminded at...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c62-3 (Link to this contribution)
There are sufficient details around the notion of the small project in relation to the single commis...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c64 (Link to this contribution)
Among those who have contributed to this debate, I particularly thank my noble friend Lord Jenkin re...
Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 704 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier, the Minister replied on the broad areas where one would expect expertise, but she did not m...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c63 (Link to this contribution)
That demonstrates exactly what I was trying to say. I talked about project management. It is not so ...
Baroness Whitaker | 704 c65-6 (Link to this contribution)
As my noble friend Lord Howarth said, Amendments Nos. 7 and 14 would ensure that the nationally impo...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c66 (Link to this contribution)
I shall reserve my main comments on the design function to the longer debate, foreshadowed by the no...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 704 c64 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 7:
7: Schedule 1, page 141, line 9, after ““(““deputies””),”” insert—
““( ) at...
Lord Best | 704 c65 (Link to this contribution)
My name is attached to the amendment and to the subsequent amendment in the name of the noble Barone...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c66-7 (Link to this contribution)
My comments follow on from what the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, has just said. The noble Lord, Lord How...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with that; it is a very sound point. The noble Baroness asked whether the NPSs would conside...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c52-4 (Link to this contribution)
I must first apologise to the Committee. I should have repeated a declaration of interest that I mad...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:
6: Schedule 1, page 141, line 8, leave out ““at least”” and insert ““no mor...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c55-6 (Link to this contribution)
I have tabled Amendment No. 10 and have given notice of my intention to oppose the Question that Sch...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c56-7 (Link to this contribution)
With the greatest of respect to my noble friend on the Front Bench, to limit the commission to 12 me...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 704 c58 (Link to this contribution)
I shall use this group of amendments to probe the Minister more generally as to the type of person t...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 704 c58-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am encouraged by the fact that we have moved from page 1 to page 140-something, but that is a fals...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c62 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness for doing her best with my question, but I find the example that...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c59-62 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for tabling these amendments which allow us to explore at length the details of ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 704 c41 (Link to this contribution)
At the moment, on a major proposal like this, the decision is not taken by the local authority. On t...
Lord Reay | 704 c41-2 (Link to this contribution)
What concerns me most about the IPC, apart from its unaccountability, is of its independence. I view...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 704 c39-41 (Link to this contribution)
I listened with care to the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, when he moved his amendment and spoke to h...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 704 c41 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to prolong this debate, but my point was not that there would not be adequate opportun...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 704 c22 (Link to this contribution)
As I explained earlier, this may be a convenient moment to repeat the Statement. I therefore beg to ...
Lord Best | 704 c38-9 (Link to this contribution)
No doubt we will come back to some of the very interesting points raised by the noble Lord, Lord Jen...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c36-7 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely take the point and I shall certainly want to study what the noble Lord said. However, wha...
Lord Turnbull | 704 c36 (Link to this contribution)
If I did mention the Inland Revenue, I would not describe it as a department. Most of my other examp...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c35-6 (Link to this contribution)
It may be appropriate if I make a few remarks following our debate before the Statement. I remind th...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c52 (Link to this contribution)
It is more likely that the language of the NPS—I do not have any examples that I can put before the ...
Lord Lucas | 704 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I have great sympathy with what the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, said. It raises the crucial questio...
Lord Lucas | 704 c42 (Link to this contribution)
I line up with my noble friend Lord Jenkin on this issue. The first two parts of the Bill are very m...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c44-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Opposition for tabling a comet’s tail of amendments which has picked up many su...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 704 c42-4 (Link to this contribution)
Before participating in the Committee I should declare an interest as a farmer, landowner, member of...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c48-51 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has made an excellent case for national policy statements, which will frame the decis...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c47 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened to the Minister with great care, and it is extremely interesting. She will remember ...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c51 (Link to this contribution)
This goes to the heart of the role of the IPC and why it has to be independent. The IPC can reject a...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I will not press my amendment. I know that the Minister did not expect that I would do so at this st...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 704 c17-9 (Link to this contribution)
I declare interests as a legal associate of the Royal Town Planning Institute and as a solicitor in ...
Lord Turnbull | 704 c19-20 (Link to this contribution)
I thank those who produced the Marshalled List for doing so in a way that brings together all the cl...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 704 c20-1 (Link to this contribution)
I add a footnote to the excellent points already made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Boyd, and ...
Baroness Whitaker | 704 c21 (Link to this contribution)
I shall briefly supplement the remarks of my noble friend Lord Howarth of Newport. As I understand i...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c13-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Moved acc...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c16-7 (Link to this contribution)
I was not in the Chamber when, no doubt, plaudits were given to various Members of the House with re...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 704 c14-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end insert ““for the purpose of advising Pa...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c86-8 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments offer us a good opportunity to address some detailed issues. I start with the noble...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c51-2 (Link to this contribution)
We may be faced with a national policy statement that says that something is imperative. I find it h...
Baroness Hamwee | 704 c63-4 (Link to this contribution)
Before we finish on this matter, am I right in understanding that this goes back to the question of ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 704 c22 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
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Baroness Young of Old Scone | 704 c21-2 (Link to this contribution)
I sound a discordant note compared with the past few speakers, because I firmly believe that the adv...
Baroness Andrews | 704 c69-70 (Link to this contribution)
We have been anticipating a debate that will range over a number of these issues, but we are fixed o...
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