Education and Skills Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 3 to 9 agreed to. New clause under consideration. Part 1 of 2 records.
Education and Skills Bill
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Debate on bills on Tuesday, 1 July 2008,
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Education and Skills Bill. Brought from the Commons. (Explanatory notes HL Bill 58-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 May 2008
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Wednesday, 14 May 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Adonis | 703 c180-1 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to intervene only to say that the words mean what I said—that guided learning must be l...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c179-80 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the Minister’s difficulty with bad employers who might wish to claim that time spent at...
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Baroness Walmsley | 703 c180 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have contributed. We are perhaps straying into the area of wanting to cl...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c179 (Link to this contribution)
After listening to this conversation I feel that both are required. Would it be too much to ask the ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c179 (Link to this contribution)
As the job of a cox in a rowing eight is pre-eminently one of guidance, I am sure that the noble Bar...
Baroness Verma | 703 c178-9 (Link to this contribution)
Leaving out ““guided learning”” and inserting ““learning time””, as the amendments would do, would a...
Lord Lucas | 703 c179 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested mostly in hearing the Minister’s explanation of how he will construe the phrase in q...
Baroness Verma | 703 c176-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for taking us back to the land of milk and honey and clarifying the term ““othe...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c177-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 35:
35: Clause 8, page 4, line 25, leave out ““guided learning”” and insert ““...
Lord Adonis | 703 c175 (Link to this contribution)
The difference between us is less than the noble Lord has just set out. As I said in our previous de...
Lord Lucas | 703 c175-6 (Link to this contribution)
Local authorities do this sort of thing all the time. They build all sorts of inspectorates, which t...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c176 (Link to this contribution)
If the full-time education is delivered by a voluntary body, such as Barnardo’s or Fairbridge, and t...
Lord Adonis | 703 c176 (Link to this contribution)
I can confirm that the kind of provision specified in the noble Baroness’s Amendment No. 28 —appropr...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 703 c172-3 (Link to this contribution)
I have two comments on this. The amendments are interesting and I do not disagree with them in princ...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c173 (Link to this contribution)
To respond to the noble Baroness’s point, which I absolutely understand and accept, we on these Benc...
Lord Adonis | 703 c173-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am in the happy position of being able to satisfy everyone who has spoken, to some degree. I was g...
Lord Lucas | 703 c175 (Link to this contribution)
We are back to the problem of accreditation again. Why does it have to go through these Ofqual hoops...
Lord Lucas | 703 c171-2 (Link to this contribution)
We are back to a couple of themes we discussed on the last day. One is the need to have great flexib...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c171 (Link to this contribution)
I endorse what the noble Baroness, Lady Perry, has just said. I, too, hope that this is part of the ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c166-8 (Link to this contribution)
I try to prepare for everything conceivable when appearing before your Lordships, but I regret that ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c168 (Link to this contribution)
I am encouraged by what the noble Lord has said. The Government seem at last to have separated the b...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c164-5 (Link to this contribution)
I must confess that, from these Benches, we have less sympathy for this batch of amendments. We agre...
Lord Lucas | 703 c165-6 (Link to this contribution)
Presumably, when the Government draw up regulations under Clause 2, they will have to accommodate ex...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c169-71 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 28 and 31 in this group. They are both important amendments because...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c171 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that when the Minister replies to the amendments he will tell us that the Government already ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c168-9 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am heartened by what the Minister said and I thank him for his detailed answer. I thank also...
Baroness Verma | 703 c169 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 26:
26: Clause 4, page 2, line 32, after ““sector”” insert ““, at home””
The ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c163-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:
22: Clause 3, page 2, line 11, after ““means”” insert—
““( ) the Cambridge...
Lord Adonis | 703 c163 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Mov...
Lord Layard | 703 c188-90 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 49:
49: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—
““Part-time education...
Lord Layard | 703 c187-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for his thoughtful answer. I have a few reactions. It would be help...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c186 (Link to this contribution)
The words of the noble Lord, Lord Layard, certainly raised some queries that I had not previously th...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 703 c185-6 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am sympathetic to the sentiments behind the amendments of my noble friend Lord Layard, for t...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c185 (Link to this contribution)
I have considerable sympathy with the noble Lord, Lord Layard. Clearly, none of us wants to let anyb...
Lord Layard | 703 c182-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:
36: Clause 8, page 4, line 25, after ““learning”” insert ““away from the i...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c182 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that further clarification. I have to accept what he says about A-levels. I...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c190-1 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord’s amendment. His point is a potent one. Those who enter into the part-time ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c181-2 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend is quite right. I would not expect a student in the second year of three A-level cou...
Lord Adonis | 703 c193 (Link to this contribution)
I completely endorse my noble friend’s remarks on the value of apprenticeships. This is why we have ...
Lord Layard | 703 c194 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that. On the question of the employer subsidy, we have a situation...
Lord Adonis | 703 c193-4 (Link to this contribution)
The issue of the supply of apprenticeships by small employers is very much on our minds. How we seek...
Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 703 c192 (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend. One of the most important points about education for the people we are co...
Lord Layard | 703 c191-2 (Link to this contribution)
On the question of pro rata, I am not suggesting that. As emerged from our earlier discussions, the ...
Baroness Verma | 703 c192 (Link to this contribution)
We have some sympathy with the noble Lord’s amendment and agree that, if the Bill is to achieve what...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c191 (Link to this contribution)
I support this amendment. I am reminded of those part-time-only providers, such as the Open Universi...
Lord Elton | 703 c191 (Link to this contribution)
I am very interested in what the noble Lord proposes. I absolutely take the point that employers nee...
Lord Layard | 703 c195 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention. I hope that it will be possible to think of some way in which t...
Lord Elton | 703 c195 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness. The prospect of a diminishing perspective of Bills overlapping with ea...
Lord Layard | 703 c195 (Link to this contribution)
It will of course be a very important Bill. However, in this Bill we are dealing with the two groups...
Lord Layard | 703 c194-5 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that that is about people training more individuals than they are required to do and being...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c195 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the noble Lord that we will have another Bill next year, perhaps somewhat misleadingly call...
Lord Adonis | 703 c194 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I, too, may quote paragraph 5.18 of the world-class apprenticeships paper, which says that, ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c186-7 (Link to this contribution)
The Government are being pulled two ways on this issue. I spent time in previous debates replying on...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 703 c196 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume. In moving this Motion, I suggest that the Committee stag...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c193 (Link to this contribution)
I put it to the Minister that perhaps one problem faced particularly by small and medium-sized emplo...
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