Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords report stage fourth day. Amendment 194A negatived on division (145 votes to 78). Part 1 of 2 records.
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Lord Rooker | 700 c147 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report.
Moved accordingly, and, ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 700 c147-50 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 183A:
183A: Clause 36, page 18, line 13, at end insert—
““( ) No regulations u...
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Lord May of Oxford | 700 c150-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have sympathy with the arguments put by the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer, but on the other h...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 700 c151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall take a similar line to the noble Lord, Lord May. At a conceptual level, there is n...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 700 c150 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it seems to me, having listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer, that the nightm...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c150 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in Committee I spoke from the Back Benches to my amendment on this interesting issue. I sa...
Lord Turnbull | 700 c151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer. We are talking about something that operates like ...
Lord Jay of Ewelme | 700 c167 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. Like the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, I feel that biodiversity is n...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 700 c166-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is very similar to one that we tabled in Committee. We are thus happy to su...
Lord Teverson | 700 c166 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 194A:
194A: Clause 48, page 21, line 31, leave out from ““Kingdom”” to end of ...
Lord Haskel | 700 c166 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot call Amendment No. 194.
Lord Rooker | 700 c166 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot speak in great detail on this but the reality of devolution is devolution. There ...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 700 c166 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with regard to this information being collected, the Scottish Parliament has its own depar...
Lord Oxburgh | 700 c165 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, think that 30 months would be the right reporting period, for the reasons given. C...
Lord Teverson | 700 c167 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I did not add to my speech as we discussed this issue thoroughly in Committee. Consequentl...
Lord Rooker | 700 c167 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is incredibly unfair that the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, spoke to these amendments for ...
Lord Rooker | 700 c167-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my response will probably be briefer than in Committee, but it must be read out for the pu...
Lord Colwyn | 700 c172 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if this amendment is agreed to, I will not be able to call Amendment No. 199 owing to pre-...
Lord Rooker | 700 c172 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 198:
198: Clause 49, page 22, line 4, leave out from ““lay”” to ““setting”” in...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 700 c173-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 203:
203: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause—
““The Carbon Tax I...
Lord Rooker | 700 c172 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 202:
202: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause—
““Report on progre...
Lord Rooker | 700 c170 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know, but I suspect and hope that the answer is no; otherwise we are spending loa...
Baroness Byford | 700 c169-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister referred to the adaptation report, which came out in May 2007. Presumably, mu...
Lord Teverson | 700 c172 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 197:
197: Clause 48, page 22, line 2, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of St...
Lord Teverson | 700 c170 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I was quite persuaded by his reply on Amendment No. 20...
Lord Puttnam | 700 c177 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support entirely the principle of the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Lea and I ...
Lord Teverson | 700 c152 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we should remember here that the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer, is about wheth...
Lord Swinfen | 700 c151-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am in favour of the noble Lord’s amendment. It would be extremely difficult to produce a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c155 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 185 and 186:
185: Schedule 2, page 48, line 10, at end insert ““of this Act”...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c155 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 184:
184: Schedule 2, page 44, line 18, after ““Part”” insert ““of this Schedu...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 700 c154-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, some helpful remarks have been made in this brief discussion and debate. The issues are su...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c159 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that detailed and complicated answer, which will take a little st...
Lord Rooker | 700 c157-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I accept that this is a complicated part of the Bill. I shall stick to my notes and will d...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c155-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 186A:
186A: Schedule 2, page 49, line 18, leave out sub-paragraph (1) and inse...
Lord Rooker | 700 c159-60 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 191:
191: Clause 40, page 20, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) imposing or providi...
Lord Rooker | 700 c161 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise if I overstepped the mark here, but I have simply moved two government amendme...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 700 c160-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments give new order-making powers which sound like they should be welcomed. Ho...
Lord Rooker | 700 c162-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 193:
193: Clause 48, page 21, line 30, leave out from ““lay”” to ““containing”...
Lord Rooker | 700 c161 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 192:
192: Clause 40, page 20, line 7, at end insert—
““( ) Regulations under t...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 700 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we welcome the Government’s willingness to report on the efforts they are making to mitiga...
Lord Haskel | 700 c164 (Link to this contribution)
I have to tell your Lordships that if Amendment No. 193 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment No. 194 b...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 700 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, following what my noble friend has just said, when the Minister talks about the input from...
Baroness Byford | 700 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister responds to my noble friend, will he clarify his initial contribution?...
Lord Teverson | 700 c165 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in Committee we proposed that these reports should be annual. From that discussion, that i...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c203 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from this Dispatch Box, we welcome the amendment. It puts in place a mechanism that severa...
Lord Greaves | 700 c203 (Link to this contribution)
had given notice of his intention to move, as an amendment to Amendment No. 219, Amendment No. 219A....
Duke of Montrose | 700 c205 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I see that we have three amendments that are substantial in length if not in content. From...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c204-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 221:
221: Schedule 5, page 66, line 46, at end insert—
““Orders and regulation...
Lord Rooker | 700 c204 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 220:
220: Schedule 5, page 66, line 42, at end insert ““;
““specified”” means ...
Lord Rooker | 700 c203-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will explain how we envisage an appeals body working. There are already many appeals bod...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not have a note on the actual process that we will follow, so I cannot give that guar...
Lord Greaves | 700 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this will save me asking the question later. When the Government say, as they do in variou...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c206-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. I am rather more g...
Lord Greaves | 700 c206 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Government for responding to the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Commit...
Lord Rooker | 700 c202-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 219:
219: Schedule 5, page 65, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) The regulations m...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c196-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot help seeing a very slight element of irony in that, as we pat ourselves on the ba...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 700 c198-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, your Lordships certainly are very good when it comes to rubbish. It is a great subject for...
Baroness Byford | 700 c197-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the Government’s commitment to look at retail plastic bags, because they deface ...
Lord Greaves | 700 c200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the Minister not understand that there is a great deal of cynicism and scepticism out...
Lord Rooker | 700 c199-200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Byford, asked me about an issue I raised in my speech. We propose...
Lord Rooker | 700 c201 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 213:
213: Schedule 5, page 62, line 37, leave out from beginning to end of lin...
Lord Rooker | 700 c201 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my experience—I have not moved that often—is that local authorities and the utilities prov...
Lord Rooker | 700 c202 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 218:
218: Schedule 5, page 63, line 41, leave out ““4(2) or 5(2)”” and insert ...
Lord Rooker | 700 c201-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 214 to 217:
214: Schedule 5, page 63, line 27, leave out ““or 5””
215: Sch...
Lord Rooker | 700 c194 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Davies suggested, and I think he is right, we are uncomfortable do...
Lord Greaves | 700 c194-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was thanking the Minister for doing it. I also thank him for being uncomfortable. And th...
Lord Greaves | 700 c194 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments Nos. 213A to 213C, which amend government Amendments Nos. 21...
Lord Rooker | 700 c190-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 212:
212: Schedule 5, page 62, line 35, leave out ““or 5””
The noble Lord sai...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c190 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having looked at this group, there is nothing to which we wish to object. It seems to put ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c189-90 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 211:
211: Schedule 5, page 62, leave out line 8
The noble Lord said: My Lords...
Lord Rooker | 700 c189 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 209:
209: After Clause 54, insert the following new Clause—
““Report on exerci...
Lord Teverson | 700 c189 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I still think our amendment has the best of both world...
Lord Teverson | 700 c187 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not interrupt the Minister lightly. Maybe I misunderstand our own amendment, but it d...
Lord Vinson | 700 c184-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I sometimes wonder whether, when we talk about priorities, we remember that all these clau...
Lord Puttnam | 700 c185 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support the amendment. I have little to add to the terrific speeches of the nobl...
Lord Rooker | 700 c185-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will in due course speak to government Amendments Nos. 209 and 229 in this group. In doi...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 700 c182-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are grateful for the arguments presented by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson. We have put ...
Lord Teverson | 700 c182 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 205:
205: Clause 52, page 23, line 11, after ““authority”” insert ““(and shall...
Lord Oxburgh | 700 c184 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, has made many of the points that I would have made. It i...
Lord Crickhowell | 700 c183-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when we last addressed these issues I spoke of my experience as chairman of the National R...
Lord Rooker | 700 c178-81 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall do my best to answer my noble friend’s points. First, however, I want to respond t...
Lord Rooker | 700 c182 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 204:
204: Clause 50, page 22, line 23, leave out from ““lay”” to ““setting”” i...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 700 c181-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for being so constructive in his response and to my noble...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c210 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion,...
Lord Greaves | 700 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 223A:
223A: Clause 61, page 28, line 20, leave out subsection (2)
The noble L...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c209 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can only add from this Dispatch Box my confusion as to why the number of pilots has been...
Lord Rooker | 700 c209-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, why do you want to know? It is five. Why do you want to know where that number came from? ...
Lord Greaves | 700 c210 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, why do I want to know? We want to know why all the legislation that comes to this House is...
Duke of Montrose | 700 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I sympathise with Minister over the problems that arise over titles. Even last night, when...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must apologise to the noble Duke. The note from the Box was as ever entirely accurate in...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 700 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 222 and 223:
222: Schedule 5, page 66, line 46, at end insert—
““In section ...
Lord Rooker | 700 c165-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I can be brief. The noble Lord, Lord Taylor, asked why it was 30 months. Basic...
Lord Greaves | 700 c210 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if he can come up with this answer, the Government have to think again. I beg leave to wit...
Lord Rooker | 700 c159 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 188 to 190:
188: Schedule 2, page 51, line 7, at end insert ““of this Act””
...
Lord Rooker | 700 c152-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what came into my vision was the inability at one general election of the Liberal Democrat...
Lord Rooker | 700 c187-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I have misunderstood that, I apologise and I will come back to the noble Lord before th...
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