Legal Services Bill (HL). Lords consideration of Commons amendments. Commons amendments agreed to, other Commons amendments disagreed to, some with amendments in lieu agreed to. Committee appointed to propose reasons for disagreement. Reason reported and agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with amendments and reason.
Legal Services Bill [HL]
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695 c713-61Session
2006-07Legislative stage
Commons amendmentsChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c719-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that that is right. I was praying in aid the noble Lord’s name only on the gener...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c723-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 5 to 9. I ...
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Lord Kingsland | 695 c720 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister. I understand his dilemma very well. When I said that t...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c724-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for the change that, in particular, Amendment No. 12A introduces. He ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c724 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do disagree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 10 to 1...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c725 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we, too, are grateful to the Government for considering the debates that we had in this Ho...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c726-8 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c726 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 15.
This gr...
Lord Borrie | 695 c728 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, has put his points forward with his customary reasonable a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c715-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his kind comments on the first group of amendments. I look forw...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c716-7 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c717 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches have considered the issues raised by the amendment and support it. The...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c713 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments be now considered.
Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c713-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 1. I shall s...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c715 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have one or two quibbles with what the Minister has said, but we overwhelmingly accept ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think so. Those of us with experience of being trade union members would acknowle...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is of course right that the Select Committee raised concerns about the posi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course this concern is about the trade union members, not the trade union organisations...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is not the balance to which the Minister refers tipped against the interests of the member...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there are two points to make about that. First, why should union members be restricted in ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c719 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that the Minister understands me. Trade union members receiving advice outs...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c718 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall first respond to the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, who said that...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c718-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, surely the whole purpose of the Bill is to protect the consumer. Why should not the trade ...
Lord Sawyer | 695 c717 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare an interest as a non-executive director of a firm providing some legal services ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 695 c717-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the previous speaker. I spent part of my career as a union official and some ...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c736 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be moving Amendment No. 72A, an amendment to Amendment No. 72, which is later in t...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c736 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there are two alternatives. As I understand it, the amendments are grouped together and th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c735 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c736 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Lord, Lord Neill of Bladen, speaking to this group?
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c734 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 16 to 18.
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c734-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 19.
We now ...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c731 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister and to all noble Lords who have engaged in this debate....
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c737 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I referred to the service provided by the high-street solicitor to the community. It is th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c736 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is very much in the noble Lord’s hands. We must just ensure that we debate it when we...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 695 c729 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a very important discussion because, as my noble friend Lord Kingsland pointed out...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c729 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that it would be difficult for anybody to consider whether the b...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 695 c729 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that the House is rapidly getting the impression that we are trying to avert confus...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c729-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we Lord Hunts are very reasonable people but I am not sure that I can go as far as the nob...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c728 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support the amendment. There are only two ways in which a body asked to overrule...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 695 c729 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having taken part in this discussion at previous stages—a most important part of our gener...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 695 c730 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if it was to second guess, what on earth could be done about it? That is the problem and t...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c731 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord said that he agrees with much of the objectives of the noble Lord, Lord Kin...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c731 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Viscount is very seductive, but the Government believe that we have got the bala...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c747 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 73. It is th...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c745 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I have to confess that I am not wholly reassured. On ...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c742-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lords, Lord Neill of Bladen and Lord Thomas of Gresford, that, by a...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c739-41 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c741-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches very much support the noble Lord in this amendment. He is not suggesti...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c743 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, allow me to compose myself before I continue. Once the Bill becomes an Act, the matter wil...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 695 c743 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would be glad if the Minister could tell us what the Government know about the situation...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c743 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do apologise. It shows what this Bill has been doing to me for the past 10 months. We ha...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c743-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a short but extremely interesting debate and I am grateful to the noble Lord...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c739 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 72.
Moved, ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c737 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 20 to 38....
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c737 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 39 to 46....
Lord Kingsland | 695 c737 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c738 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the answer is yes.
Lord Kingsland | 695 c738 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am much obliged. I pay particular tribute to the Minister because, as he is well aware, ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c738 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the noble Lord also like to compliment the honourable Member for Somerton and Frome,...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c738 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, my Lords. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
On Que...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c738-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 47. I shall ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c739 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 48.
Moved a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c739 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 49 to 71.
...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c754 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House.
On Question, Whether the said amendments (Nos. 7...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c756-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 78.
As nobl...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c753 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I therefore on behalf of these Benches say that we fully support the amendment. I entirely...
Lord Whitty | 695 c753-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not intending to intervene in this debate because, as veterans of the debate will kn...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 695 c753 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we seem to have staggered into an interrogative stage of the Bill, which I cannot recognis...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c752-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that is right. He may well be an ordinary member, but you can appoint an or...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c752 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it does, it really does.
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c752 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it does not include the selection of the chairman.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c752 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can only repeat what I said earlier. The amendment to the schedule states: "““Before app...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c752 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are considering an amendment to paragraph 1(1)(a) of Schedule 1, which states, "““a cha...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c751-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House has debated this matter on many occasions and very fully. I shall try to be tele...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c751 (Link to this contribution)
Not entirely, my Lords, because the amendment to paragraph 7(6) to the schedule states: "““Before re...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c751 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, so he is involved only in two small places, but nowhere else.
Lord Bach | 695 c751 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted that the noble Viscount interrupted me, because I had been going on much to...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c750 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the noble Lord enlighten me—I am genuinely seeking information? He speaks as though, ...
Lord Bach | 695 c749-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Neill, I am an old lag at this exercise. Along with the noble Lo...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c751 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may help the House, because the amendment states: "““Before appointing an ordina...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c748 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c747-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 74 to 77. ...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c749 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have said sufficient on that point. I move that we restore the text in Amendment No. 74 ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c749 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe this matter was raised in another place. The question was asked whether the Lord...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c760-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 89 to 202....
Lord Kingsland | 695 c760 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Neill of Bladen, I beg to move, as an amendment to the M...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c760 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that another noble Lord can move the amendments on his behalf.
Lord Kingsland | 695 c759 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord knows full well that the lateness of the hour prevents me pressing this mat...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c760 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 81 to 88.
...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 695 c760 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, surely the noble Lord is not pressing amendments that have been defeated in principle?
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c760 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I need to move them, and then the noble Lord, Lord Neill, moves Amendments Nos. 81A to 88A...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 695 c757-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hear what my noble friend said but I still seek a little clarification. I shall be brief...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c757 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not going to take this issue to the wire, partly because I know that I would not have...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c758 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 79.
Moved, ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c758 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hear what my noble friend says. He certainly put the point with great clarity. I also he...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c759 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is very tempting to debate the noble Lord, Lord Jones of Birmingham, particularly as I ...
Lord Kingsland | 695 c758-9 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendm...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c761 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 215 to 265...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c761 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 203 to 214...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c715 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendments Nos. 2 and 3.
...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 695 c736 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my preference would be to degroup it because of its incongruity with the scope of the amen...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c725 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, put it very well; better, in fact, than my speak...
Viscount Bledisloe | 695 c751 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in all the other places where the concurrence of, or some participation by, the Lord Chief...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c759-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 80.
Moved a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 695 c730-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, the duties under Clause 3 require its regulatory activities to be proportionate, ac...
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