Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 15 to 52 agreed to. Schedules 3 to 7 agreed to. Bill reported without amendments. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.
Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Bill
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2006-07Legislative stage
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Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 42-EN also published.
Wednesday, 7 February 2007
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Wednesday, 7 February 2007
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Tordoff | 690 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
I should point out to the Committee that if Amendment No. 33 were agreed to I should not be able to ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c205-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:
25: Clause 15, page 13, line 40, leave out from beginning to end of line 2...
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Lord Rooker | 690 c240-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I probably will not be able to answer all the points put by the noble Lord, Lord Trimble, but I have...
Lord Rooker | 690 c239-40GC (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful for the contributions, and to the noble Lord for raising the issue. I was present...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c238GC (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to speak on this issue until I heard the noble Lord, Lord Trimble. He referred to...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c234GC (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful for the Minister’s very clear explanation. Of course, it is absolutely right that...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c233GC (Link to this contribution)
The restriction to which the amendment relates is not one that we should like to see in perpetuity. ...
Lord Rooker | 690 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution)
Before I respond, perhaps I may point something out. I know that the noble Lord, Lord Lester, will h...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c231GC (Link to this contribution)
I have a very similar amendment, although it looks rather neater and shorter than the amendment move...
Lord Rooker | 690 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution)
On the noble Lord’s final point, there is some time between now and the final stages of the Bill—aft...
Lord Trimble | 690 c230GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, I draw to his attention to the fact that, while it is certainly tru...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c230-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 46:
46: After Clause 39, insert the following new Clause—
““Duration of sectio...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c225-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 38:
38: Clause 22, page 17, line 1, after ““A”” insert ““member of Her Majesty...
Lord Rooker | 690 c224-5GC (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord will allow me, this is probably repeating something that I said earlier. In some w...
Lord Rooker | 690 c211GC (Link to this contribution)
I say in the politest way possible that the noble Baroness, Lady Richmond, ought to think of the fee...
Lord Trimble | 690 c214GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Lester. Surely, it should be possible to draft an ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c215-6GC (Link to this contribution)
Unlike the Minister, I have tried to use the Freedom of Information Act and he may not realise that ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c203-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for that full reply. It is correct to say that a fetter is being ...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c210GC (Link to this contribution)
My amendment, Amendment No. 34, is in this group and attempts to achieve something quite similar. Th...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c201GC (Link to this contribution)
On a point not directly to do with this Bill, we have all at different times complained about the gr...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c201-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I am speaking to Amendment No. 30, which stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Smith of...
Lord Rooker | 690 c202-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I start by fully accepting the reasons for the absence of the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill,...
Lord Trimble | 690 c240GC (Link to this contribution)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the engagement of the police can be knocked out if the of...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c232GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that response. It seems that we will have to satisfy ourselves that parliam...
Baroness Paisley of St George's | 690 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I agree with what has been said about the community restorative justice schemes in republican areas,...
Lord Trimble | 690 c234-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 50:
50: After Clause 47 , insert the following new Clause—
““Community restora...
Lord Rooker | 690 c233-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I remember dealing with this, or referring to it on Second Reading. I emphasisethis point, so that t...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c232-3GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 48:
48: Schedule 5, page 44, leave out lines 39 and 40
The noble Baroness sai...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c226-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. We will obviously need to reflect on that answer. In the mean time, I beg leave to wi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c229GC (Link to this contribution)
Since this is the last amendment with which I will be troubling the Committee, I would like to say a...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c230GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
[Amendments Nos. 44 and 45 ...
Lord Rooker | 690 c226GC (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Lord said, the thrust of the amendment is to extend the written authorisation procedure...
Lord Rooker | 690 c218-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Listening with care to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, I realise that the heading ofClause 20 ““Stop an...
Lord Rooker | 690 c222-3GC (Link to this contribution)
In looking at both the amendment and the clause, I ask noble Lords to look at the power within the c...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c222GC (Link to this contribution)
Having listened to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, I am no lawyer and can be outgunned from every direc...
Lord Rooker | 690 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I gathered the noble Baroness was reading from a document pre-dating the Government’s changes. In ot...
Lord Rooker | 690 c214-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I have lost a bet I made with myself because I thought the words ““police ombudsman”” would be utter...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c216-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 35:
35: Clause 20, page 16, line 6, at end insert ““reasonably””
The noble Lo...
Lord Tordoff | 690 c205GC (Link to this contribution)
In calling Amendment No. 25, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lester, I point out that, were it t...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c204-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. I hope that the commission will carefully read what the Minister has said, and reflec...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution)
First, I thank the Minister and wish to say that I made a mistake, for which I apologise. He is perf...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 31:
31: Clause 19 , page 15, line 25, leave out ““and”” and insert ““or””
The...
Lord Rooker | 690 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I take what the noble Lord, Lord Lester, said at the start of his speech regarding the fact that he ...
Lord Tordoff | 690 c199GC (Link to this contribution)
I start, as usual, by saying that if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, this C...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c199-201GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 24:
24: Clause 15 , page 13, line 17, leave out ““means”” and insert ““include...
Lord Trimble | 690 c242-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Towards the end of his comments, the Minister said that there will be no no-go areas and no vigilant...
Lord Glentoran | 690 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord’s remarks and the amendment, understanding his reasoning behind it.
Those ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 43:
43: Schedule 3, page 37, line 29, leave out ““four”” and insert ““two””
T...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 690 c230GC (Link to this contribution)
The other benefit of your Lordships’ House, including in Grand Committee, is that we are self-regula...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c225GC (Link to this contribution)
One wants to avoid the situation described in an American short story where a father is driving his ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c220-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:
36: Clause 21, page 16, line 27, leave out from first ““he”” to end of lin...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c219-20GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister. I would like to discuss this further with my colleagues on the J...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. A surprising and extraordinary fact about me is that I served in nati...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c211GC (Link to this contribution)
I was referring to the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission report at that time.
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 690 c213-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. The reason that I shook my head was not because I thought the Freedom...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c210-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Clause 19 stand part.
The Northern Ireland Human Rights Commission said that Claus...
Lord Rooker | 690 c204GC (Link to this contribution)
Committee stage is an opportunity to consider everything that is said but, to the best of my knowled...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 690 c206-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to the Amendments Nos. 27 and 29 in my name and that of my noble friend. The Norther...
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