Police and Justice Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Part 2 of 2 records.
Police and Justice Bill
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Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c98 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I said, we will read what the noble Baroness said very carefully but I have a question ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c98 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think that I can properly give that assurance for the following reason. As the no...
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Lord Dholakia | 685 c98-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister, but I stress the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay. One ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c99 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned.
Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c93-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, again I understand the purport of the noble Lord’s amendment. However, requiring a police ...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c93 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 61:
Page 7, line 7, at end insert-
““( ) In section 32 (police powers to gathe...
Lord Marlesford | 685 c90-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the telephone conversation that I had with the noble Baroness was of course immensely agre...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c89-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I say straight away that the Government agree with the sentiment expressed by the noble Lo...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c88-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend, and I have added my name to his amendment. He is right...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c96 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a tonal difference I will accept. It was not reported as that, and so perhaps the noble Ba...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c95 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that the Prime Minister said—and I believe he was right—that this party was the fi...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c95 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clause 15 gives the Secretary of State an order-making power to specify unlimited categori...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c94-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 63:
Leave out Clause 15.
The noble Lord said: My Lords, this amendment was de...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c94 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for explaining the safeguards. In the light of them, I beg leave to w...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c88 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Marlesford, has always been persistent on this issue. I have often su...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c87 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot let it stand that we have lent on ACPO. We asked for ACPO’s view because we were ...
Lord Marlesford | 685 c88 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course I shall withdraw the words ““lent on””. The discussions were useful and construc...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 57:
Page 3, leave out lines 41 to 44 and insert-
““(a) the Association of Poli...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to confirm that. I have tried to indicate that we are in discussions with chief...
Lord Marlesford | 685 c86-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 59:
After Clause 11, insert the following new clause-
““POWER TO SEARCH FOR FI...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c86 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that explanation. On future occasions we shall have plenty of opp...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c84-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should say straight away that I acknowledge the sentiment behind the amendment, which is...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c84 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 58:
Page 96, line 18, at end insert-
““( ) Conditions of the bail imposed unde...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c77-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 53:
Leave out Clause 5 and insert the following new Clause-
““POLICE AUTHORITI...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for her support. I am pleased that the S...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c75-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 52:
After Schedule 2, insert the following new schedule-
““CONSULTATION WITH A...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment relates also to Northern Ireland and the pensions of police officers there. ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c75 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we support the amendments and are grateful to the Government for taking the care in advanc...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c73-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 51:
After Schedule 2, insert the following new schedule-
““POWER TO MERGE POLI...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c72-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 49:
Page 92, line 7, leave out paragraph 29 and insert-
““29 (1) Section 96 (a...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c69-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, and Members on the Conservative Benches for...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c66-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Harris of Richmond and Lady Anelay of St Johns, and my ...
Baroness Henig | 685 c65-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before my noble friend replies, I should say that the matter has already been referred to;...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the proposal is that they would then go into a list, which this House and another place wo...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to the Minister and I am very grateful to her for—
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that by implication I made it clear that this would be done by the affirmative not...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c83-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful. I listened carefully to what the Minister said. It is slightly cart-before-...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c80-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 56:
Page 3, line 34, after ““4”” insert ““but excluding the powers contained u...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c79-80 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 54 and 55:
After Clause 5, insert the following new clause-
““Police pension...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the Minister explain whether, when the standard powers have been discussed and the p...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c81-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand the anxiety of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, but I do not accept that it i...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c79 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened again to a rather disappointing response from the Minister. He accuses my ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c78-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I return to this issue feeling rather perplexed and not a little confused as to what Liber...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a fundamental question is being raised. I understood that the Minister had given way on th...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, are the Government therefore moving away from the position they held so forcefully only an...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c56 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments Nos. 33 and 34 make arrangements for the designation deputy chief constables an...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c58 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 35:
Page 87, line 27, at end insert-
““Clerks to police authorities renamed ch...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I suppose I am deeply grateful to the Minister for highlighting this possible area of inco...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c57 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, was transferring his logic from one argument to t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c54 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 30 to 32:
Page 85, leave out lines 19 to 22 and insert-
““(b) the policing p...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 685 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 33:
Page 86, leave out lines 22 to 25 and insert-
““(1B) The police authority ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c53-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 29:
Page 84, line 11, leave out from beginning to end of line 13 on page 85 an...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c62-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. My colleagues in another place will study her words careful...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c61-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for giving me this opportunity to c...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c63-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 38:
Page 88, line 31, leave out paragraphs 26 to 28.
The noble Baroness said:...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c63 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 37:
Page 88, leave out lines 11 to 14 and insert-
““(a) the Association of Pol...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c64-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support all the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Ri...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 685 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remind the House that if the amendment is agreed to, I will not be able to call Amendmen...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c58 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, clerks of police authorities up and down the land are cheering and celebrating the Governm...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 685 c59-60 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:
Page 87, line 39, at end insert-
““Cost benefit analysis of alterations of...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we most definitely support this amendment. It is absolutely essential that we never again ...
Lord Dholakia | 685 c60-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the points raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, are very helpful. I recollect a cons...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c50-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 28:
Page 84, line 11, leave out from beginning to end of line 8 on page 85 and...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c50 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 27:
Page 83, line 43, leave out from beginning to end of line 2 on page 84 and...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c53 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to what the noble Baroness said on this matter, not for the first tim...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c48-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 26:
Page 83, line 21, at end insert-
““( ) After subsection (3) there is inser...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c49-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, predictably, having listened to the Minister’s response, I am slightly disappointed. We ma...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 685 c49 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an interesting amendment which, as the noble Baroness set out, seeks to confer an ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c55-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it should remain the responsibility of the police authority, otherwise the force, as the n...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 685 c96-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand the anxieties and I hope that I shall be able to lay them to rest. I should s...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 685 c52-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment No. 29, to which the noble Lord has already responded, unfort...
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