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Violent Crime Reduction Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 17 May 2006, in the House of Lords.
Violent Crime Reduction Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 13 to 25 agreed to, clauses 13, 17, 20, 23, 24 agreed to as amended.

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682 c284-366 

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2005-06

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Home Office

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Committee stage

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Violent Crime Reduction Bill. Brought from Commons Explanatory notes HL Bill 41-EN also published
Tuesday, 15 November 2005
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Crawley | 682 c366 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c364-5 (Link to this contribution) The word ““consultation”” drives fear into my heart when I consider the outcome of the consultation ...

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Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c362-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for tabling the amendment, because I recognise that she has rais...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c361-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 118B:"Page 28, line 42, at end insert—" ““(   )   After subsection (2) insert—...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c360-1 (Link to this contribution) I am perfectly certain that Her Majesty’s judges are quite capable of giving a message to those who ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c360 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to be quite so short, because while of course we object to the point of principle tha...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c336 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, b...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c336 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 116A introduces a specific requirement for intent to be demonstrated in using another ...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 682 c330-1 (Link to this contribution) Some of us other than those who have spoken realised when the previous legislation went through unde...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) My name has been added to this amendment, which I strongly support. I am grateful to my noble friend...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 682 c332 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for putting me right. Of course, it was not appropriate at this stage to con...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Glentoran, for the way in which he has dealt with the ame...
Earl of Shrewsbury | 682 c333 (Link to this contribution) I understand entirely what the Minister is saying, but these disciplines are so serious to those inv...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c333-5 (Link to this contribution) I am well aware that the noble Earl is far more expert in these matters than I am. I am sure the poi...
Lord Glentoran | 682 c335 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comprehensive and comparatively wide-ranging response—so much so that I...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c335-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 116A:"Page 26, line 6, after ““he”” insert ““intentionally””" The noble Lord sa...
Earl Peel | 682 c329-30 (Link to this contribution) I identify myself with my noble friend’s amendment. I apologise to the Committee for intervening at ...
Lord Monson | 682 c329 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the amendment. As the Committee is unusually thin at the moment, perhaps I may ad...
Lord Addington | 682 c329 (Link to this contribution) I remember both the Acts to which the noble Lord referred going through this House—one just before a...
Lord Borrie | 682 c323-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115:"After Clause 22, insert the following new clause—" ““ARREST REFERRAL SCHE...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c322-3 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will not be surprised to hear that I am profoundly disappointed by his response. There ...
Lord Borrie | 682 c326 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay of St Johns, and the noble Lord, Lord Thomas o...
Lord Glentoran | 682 c326-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 116:"Before Clause 23, insert the following new clause—" ““OLYMPIC TARGET PIST...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c325 (Link to this contribution) We on the Liberal Democrat Benches also welcome the amendment. The proposed new clause is a very pos...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c325-6 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Lord on tabling the amendment. We support it in general terms. There is a p...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c356 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 117E and 117F:"Page 26, line 30, after ““section”” insert ““141 or””""Page 26,...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 682 c356 (Link to this contribution) If Amendment No. 117G is agreed to I cannot call Amendment No. 117H by reason of pre-emption.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c359 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 118:"Page 27, line 42, leave out ““this section”” and insert ““section 23””" On...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c359 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 118A:"Page 28, line 25, leave out subsections (2) to (5) and insert—" ““(2) Se...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 682 c359 (Link to this contribution) I have to tell your Lordships that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 118B...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c360 (Link to this contribution) I will be very short. This is another statement of principle on our part to abolish the concept of m...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c357 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117G:"Page 26, line 42, leave out subsections (4) to (8)." The noble Lord said:...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) In considering penalties for new offences, existing penalties for related offences were used as guid...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117H:"Page 27, line 5, at end insert—" ““(   )   In relation to times before t...
Earl of Shrewsbury | 682 c356 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his helpful reply. Clause 23, as amended, agreed to. Clause 24 [...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 682 c336 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. In moving this Motion, I suggest that Committee stage be...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c354-5 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Shrewsbury has given notice that he objects to Clause 23 standing part of the B...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c355-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for his contribution and to the noble Baroness for her questions. Th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c354 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117D:"Page 26, line 23, after ““applies (”” insert ““specified offensive weapons...
Earl of Shrewsbury | 682 c354 (Link to this contribution) I have given notice that I object to Clause 23 standing part of the Bill. I declare an interest as a...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c353 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification and for the Minister setting it against the context of the prov...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117:"Page 26, line 14, after ““is”” insert ““capable of being made””" The noble...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) Clause 23(1) makes it an offence for a person to use someone else to look after, hide or transport a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c284 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Scotland of Asthal, I beg to move that the House do now ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c284-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 80:"Page 12, line 4, at end insert—" ““(2A) The Secretary of State must issue ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c285-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for setting out the rationale behind her amendments. I will expl...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c287-8 (Link to this contribution) As ever, I am grateful to the Minister. I know that he always intends to be helpful, but I still fee...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 682 c310 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, rise briefly to support my noble friend and to apologise to him for missing the op...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c310-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my thanks to the noble Lord, Lord Pendry, and my noble friend Lord Glentoran for rai...
Lord Addington | 682 c309 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may briefly add my voice to those who support this amendment. I believe that this is a cas...
Lord Hoyle | 682 c309-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise only briefly because most of the points have been made. I declare an interest as ch...
Lord Glentoran | 682 c308-9 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Pendry, on this amendment. I thank the Minister and his colleagues fo...
Lord Borrie | 682 c316 (Link to this contribution) I find it a rather odd procedure. The Minister and I are not responsible for the bracketing together...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c315-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 21, line 11, at end insert—" ““(   )   In section 197 of that Act (r...
Lord Pendry | 682 c314-5 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to my noble friend’s response. I understand, as I am sure my colleagues do, tha...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c314 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord, Lord Pendry, withdraws his amendment, as I anticipate he will, I should like ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c311-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pendry, who, as we all know, has served the world of sport wi...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c301 (Link to this contribution) These are very useful probing amendments, particularly on the importance of consultation of the new ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c301-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, and the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for their comment...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c303 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. Of course we accept there should be flexibility. The q...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c303-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 101:"Page 14, line 22, after ““certificates;”” insert—" ““(   )   business ass...
Lord Pendry | 682 c306-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106:"Before Clause 18, insert the following new clause—" ““SPORTS GROUNDS: EXE...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c306 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 105:"Page 15, line 11, at end insert—" ““(   )   The Secretary of State must n...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c304-5 (Link to this contribution) Clause 16 provides for the Secretary of State to issue guidance to the relevant parties on the exerc...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c306 (Link to this contribution) We are happy not to move our amendment, as the government amendment has the same effect. On Questio...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c306 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 15, line 4, leave out from ““instrument”” to end of line 5." The nobl...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c294 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendme...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c294 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 87:"Page 12, line 31, leave out ““such a scheme”” and insert ““a scheme establis...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c294 (Link to this contribution) It is not in my brief to say this, but I would expect that the guidance would help promote best prac...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c298-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 91:"Page 12, line 46, leave out ““either by name or, if appropriate,””" The nob...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c295 (Link to this contribution) This is another debate about process, but an important one. Amendment No. 89 covers implementation o...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c294-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 89:"Page 12, line 43, at end insert—" ““(   )   A local authority may not make...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c300-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 92:"Page 13, line 3, leave out subsection (3)." The noble Lord said: The amendm...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c300 (Link to this contribution) That is helpful. The difficulty is that we are stuck as we are waiting for guidance, but it is helpf...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c299-300 (Link to this contribution) I understand the thinking behind the amendment. The noble Baroness is right to raise the issue in th...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c288-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82:"Page 12, line 20, at end insert ““; or" (d)   set out the steps they inten...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c289 (Link to this contribution) I understand the concerns that have prompted the amendment, and I must say that I rather liked the w...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c290-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 84:"Page 12, line 20, at end insert—" ““(4B) The local authority must have reg...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c289-90 (Link to this contribution) Obviously I am speaking rather too quickly because I hope that I said that the amendment had been ““...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c292 (Link to this contribution) The helpful steer was with regard to the procedure being similar to that for public places orders; I...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c291-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would add to Clause 13(2) a specific duty on local authorities and chief officers to h...
Lord Addington | 682 c293 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Baroness. It will be interesting to see if we can get some assurances that all t...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c292-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 85:"Page 12, line 20, at end insert—" ““(4C) When considering the manner in wh...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c293-4 (Link to this contribution) It was a probing amendment and I am grateful to the noble Lord for his assurances. I am intrigued th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c293 (Link to this contribution) We certainly agree with the principle of this amendment, but I am sure that the noble Baroness and t...
Lord Borrie | 682 c316 (Link to this contribution) I speak in lieu of my noble friend Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe who is not able to be here. I added my...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c316 (Link to this contribution) If I may help the Committee, I agree that the way this has worked out is strange. I am happy to stop...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c317-8 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, we entirely respect the spirit behind the amendment because, like all noble Lords...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c316-7 (Link to this contribution) I can understand the confusion since the noble Lord was speaking to rather than moving the particula...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c319-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 108A:"Page 22, leave out lines 16 to 18." The noble Lord said: On many occasion...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c320 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is, as ever, forthright and honest in his approach to these matters. I would not say ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c320 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his response and for his generous promise to consider what I ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c320-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 109:"Page 24, line 36, leave out ““is likely”” and insert ““will””" The noble L...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c321-2 (Link to this contribution) The overall effects of Amendments Nos. 109 to 113 would be to recast the direction-making power so a...
Lord Addington | 682 c285 (Link to this contribution) I shall briefly make a few comments on Amendment No. 88. The basic idea behind it is to have an impl...
Lord Borrie | 682 c318-9 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for setting out at some length additional laws that have come int...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c325 (Link to this contribution) I support this probing amendment. It suggests a very practical way of assisting people not to reoffe...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c305-6 (Link to this contribution) That was very helpful and took us further forward. Of course, the Government do not like to have lis...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 682 c295-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for the way he has tried to set out the answer to show that the Govern...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 682 c358 (Link to this contribution) I am never going to persuade the Government on this matter, I am sure, so I shall consider my positi...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 682 c353-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117C:"Page 26, line 22, after ““section”” insert ““141 or””" The noble Lord sai...

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Violent Crime Reduction Bill 2005-06

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